Comments on: Passing the Test http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sat, 25 May 2013 05:23:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: brockdc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48416 brockdc Mon, 30 May 2005 04:27:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48416 <p><b><a name="20" rel="nofollow"></a>20.</b>  Simone,</p> <p> ...Or get beat down. </p> 20.  Simone,

…Or get beat down.

]]> By: JohnnyC http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48415 JohnnyC Sun, 29 May 2005 20:25:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48415 <p><b><a name="19" rel="nofollow"></a>19.</b>  "Torre had nothing to do with this fiasco" Let that be Joe's epitaph for these last 5 seasons, my fellow fans. So be it, since you're all willing to accept it. Thanks, markp, for some back-up on the line-up. You're right about Matsui batting clean-up (another example of Torre being wedded to ideas just don't pan out and being stubborn about making reasonable adjustments). But the Giambi and Flaherty thing (by the way, singledd, you're right I don't know a lot of things that you and Torre probably do...but I do know that Jorge asked to start on Saturday, as reported by Suzyn Waldman on the pre-game show)illustrates Torre's infuriating attitude of "gosh, it's only one game out of 162." As I recall, Torre's still working on winning that "one game" from last year's ALCS. It's o.k. to be blase about the Mets but this is the friggin' Red Sox who humiliated you last year. I would think he'd take every opportunity to bury them. But, I guess Joe knows something I don't. </p> 19.  ”Torre had nothing to do with this fiasco” Let that be Joe’s epitaph for these last 5 seasons, my fellow fans. So be it, since you’re all willing to accept it. Thanks, markp, for some back-up on the line-up. You’re right about Matsui batting clean-up (another example of Torre being wedded to ideas just don’t pan out and being stubborn about making reasonable adjustments). But the Giambi and Flaherty thing (by the way, singledd, you’re right I don’t know a lot of things that you and Torre probably do…but I do know that Jorge asked to start on Saturday, as reported by Suzyn Waldman on the pre-game show)illustrates Torre’s infuriating attitude of “gosh, it’s only one game out of 162.” As I recall, Torre’s still working on winning that “one game” from last year’s ALCS. It’s o.k. to be blase about the Mets but this is the friggin’ Red Sox who humiliated you last year. I would think he’d take every opportunity to bury them. But, I guess Joe knows something I don’t.

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48414 Simone Sun, 29 May 2005 09:57:01 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48414 <p><b><a name="18" rel="nofollow"></a>18.</b>  JeremyM, you are not the only one annoyed by RJ's whining about staying on schedule knowing that he would miss Boston. RJ needs to understand that he isn't in Arizona any more. Playing in NY means stepping up and embracing the pressure to put the beat down on the Red Sox when called upon. </p> 18.  JeremyM, you are not the only one annoyed by RJ’s whining about staying on schedule knowing that he would miss Boston. RJ needs to understand that he isn’t in Arizona any more. Playing in NY means stepping up and embracing the pressure to put the beat down on the Red Sox when called upon.

]]> By: JeremyM http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48413 JeremyM Sun, 29 May 2005 01:44:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48413 <p><b><a name="17" rel="nofollow"></a>17.</b>  Yes, Stengel used to do that. Wonder what he'd think about Johnson whining about his rest? Or was Johnson really whining because he'd rather face Detroit than Boston? Am I the only one extremely annoyed at him making this an issue? </p> 17.  Yes, Stengel used to do that. Wonder what he’d think about Johnson whining about his rest? Or was Johnson really whining because he’d rather face Detroit than Boston? Am I the only one extremely annoyed at him making this an issue?

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48412 monkeypants Sun, 29 May 2005 01:40:32 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48412 <p><b><a name="16" rel="nofollow"></a>16.</b>  "Johnny C, it's better that Posada was rested today for the long run. Last year Posada's performance faded off in mid September because he wasn't rested enough. Torre resting him now can only help the Yankees down the stretch"</p> <p> "Is there a particular day you prefer Posada out of the line-up, as opposed to today? Just how much effect do you think a manager has on a game of this nature?"</p> <p> Yes, Posada needs to be rested throughout the year, as he his not only a catcher but an aging catcher at that. And no, the way things turned out, Posada's not playing likely had no impact on the outcome of such a rout. However, I too share the frustration at Torre's by-the-numbers-managing. A number of posters commented (jokingly?) on the the Fox afternoon game curse, but sometimes I think it's more the case that Torre seems to just throw away weekend day games. </p> <p> Does Posada need to be rested EVERY day game following a night game, no matter the opponent? Maybe Torre should work in a few mid-week games off against lesser opponents, perhaps tied to the usual Monday or Thrusday off day so that Jorge gets two games off in a row. </p> <p> Does Posada have to rest for an entire game? When the game was still winable, men on base and two outs, I was hoping Posada would get the PH call, but no, we got to watch Flaherty flail away. Would it have been so bad to play Jorge for half the game today? </p> <p> Didn't Casey Stengel used to save certain players (esp. Whitey Ford) for good teams by resting them against weaker opponents? </p> 16.  ”Johnny C, it’s better that Posada was rested today for the long run. Last year Posada’s performance faded off in mid September because he wasn’t rested enough. Torre resting him now can only help the Yankees down the stretch”

“Is there a particular day you prefer Posada out of the line-up, as opposed to today? Just how much effect do you think a manager has on a game of this nature?”

Yes, Posada needs to be rested throughout the year, as he his not only a catcher but an aging catcher at that. And no, the way things turned out, Posada’s not playing likely had no impact on the outcome of such a rout. However, I too share the frustration at Torre’s by-the-numbers-managing. A number of posters commented (jokingly?) on the the Fox afternoon game curse, but sometimes I think it’s more the case that Torre seems to just throw away weekend day games.

Does Posada need to be rested EVERY day game following a night game, no matter the opponent? Maybe Torre should work in a few mid-week games off against lesser opponents, perhaps tied to the usual Monday or Thrusday off day so that Jorge gets two games off in a row.

Does Posada have to rest for an entire game? When the game was still winable, men on base and two outs, I was hoping Posada would get the PH call, but no, we got to watch Flaherty flail away. Would it have been so bad to play Jorge for half the game today?

Didn’t Casey Stengel used to save certain players (esp. Whitey Ford) for good teams by resting them against weaker opponents?

]]> By: Adam B http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48411 Adam B Sat, 28 May 2005 23:54:03 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48411 <p><b><a name="15" rel="nofollow"></a>15.</b>  Johnny C, it's better that Posada was rested today for the long run. Last year Posada's performance faded off in mid September because he wasn't rested enough. Torre resting him now can only help the Yankees down the stretch. </p> 15.  Johnny C, it’s better that Posada was rested today for the long run. Last year Posada’s performance faded off in mid September because he wasn’t rested enough. Torre resting him now can only help the Yankees down the stretch.

]]> By: Hank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48410 Hank Sat, 28 May 2005 20:26:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48410 <p><b><a name="14" rel="nofollow"></a>14.</b>  Seems to be an odd Quantrill-Rodríguez connection. First Quantrill retaliates against Detroit after A-Rod gets hit, and today -- just like A-Rod a couple weeks back -- Quantrill comes a solo homer away from the home run cycle. Anyone know if a pitcher has ever accomplished this feat? If so, I can't imagine a reliever ever has. (I remember Chan Ho Park's double grand slam inning a few years back.) Hats off to you, Paul Quantrill! </p> 14.  Seems to be an odd Quantrill-Rodríguez connection. First Quantrill retaliates against Detroit after A-Rod gets hit, and today — just like A-Rod a couple weeks back — Quantrill comes a solo homer away from the home run cycle. Anyone know if a pitcher has ever accomplished this feat? If so, I can’t imagine a reliever ever has. (I remember Chan Ho Park’s double grand slam inning a few years back.) Hats off to you, Paul Quantrill!

]]> By: singledd http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48409 singledd Sat, 28 May 2005 20:25:10 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48409 <p><b><a name="13" rel="nofollow"></a>13.</b>  How do you blame a manager for how 15 different men perform? How do you blame a manager for how Pavano performed? Was Joe's line-up the reason RJ gave up 5 hits in one inning? Do you mean if Posada was in the line-up, the Sox would have only had 6 hits? Do you happen do know how Posada feels today(after 2 guys colliding with him yesterday)? Is this the first time you have seen a catcher sit a day game after a night game? Is there a particular day you prefer Posada out of the line-up, as opposed to today? Just how much effect do you think a manager has on a game of this nature?</p> <p> I NEVER like to see Posada out of the line-up. But maybe, maybe Joe knows something that you and I don't. It's possible.</p> <p> The Indians? did it to us last year. For some cosmic reason, there are always a few disasterous blow outs like this. Lets just hope there are not many more, or we are on the other side of it.</p> <p> Let's get to Wells early tomorrow and take the series. 2 out of 3 from Boston is good enough. </p> 13.  How do you blame a manager for how 15 different men perform? How do you blame a manager for how Pavano performed? Was Joe’s line-up the reason RJ gave up 5 hits in one inning? Do you mean if Posada was in the line-up, the Sox would have only had 6 hits? Do you happen do know how Posada feels today(after 2 guys colliding with him yesterday)? Is this the first time you have seen a catcher sit a day game after a night game? Is there a particular day you prefer Posada out of the line-up, as opposed to today? Just how much effect do you think a manager has on a game of this nature?

I NEVER like to see Posada out of the line-up. But maybe, maybe Joe knows something that you and I don’t. It’s possible.

The Indians? did it to us last year. For some cosmic reason, there are always a few disasterous blow outs like this. Lets just hope there are not many more, or we are on the other side of it.

Let’s get to Wells early tomorrow and take the series. 2 out of 3 from Boston is good enough.

]]> By: murphy http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48408 murphy Sat, 28 May 2005 19:50:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48408 <p><b><a name="12" rel="nofollow"></a>12.</b>  allow me to throw our resident foil (or maybe voice of reason?), markp, a bone: despite the our team looking like the f'in ROyals today, this comment board's favourite whipping boy, ERod, DID go 2 for 2 against the SUX, against which he had not yet risen up the mendoza line prior to this game. </p> 12.  allow me to throw our resident foil (or maybe voice of reason?), markp, a bone: despite the our team looking like the f’in ROyals today, this comment board’s favourite whipping boy, ERod, DID go 2 for 2 against the SUX, against which he had not yet risen up the mendoza line prior to this game.

]]> By: brockdc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48407 brockdc Sat, 28 May 2005 18:35:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48407 <p><b><a name="11" rel="nofollow"></a>11.</b>  Wow, lucky me for living on the West Coast! I WAS pissed about not getting the Yanks-Sox in lieu of the Giants-Padres 3 hour lullaby, but I'd much rather sleep than throw my flaming TV across the room in a fit of rage. </p> 11.  Wow, lucky me for living on the West Coast! I WAS pissed about not getting the Yanks-Sox in lieu of the Giants-Padres 3 hour lullaby, but I’d much rather sleep than throw my flaming TV across the room in a fit of rage.

]]> By: markp http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48406 markp Sat, 28 May 2005 17:57:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48406 <p><b><a name="10" rel="nofollow"></a>10.</b>  "Torre chooses to rest Posada (with an off day on Monday and a NIGHT GAME tomorrow!)and start Giambi. Yes, the daily double! Then he slots them, yes, back to back in the line-up...I guess to remind Clement of NL line-ups."</p> <p> Giambi and his 730 OPS shouldn't play at all, and Torre's an idiot for putting him in there, but it's OK to bat Matsui and his 716 OPS 4th and the guy leaindg the world in HR, runs, and RBI 5th? </p> 10.  ”Torre chooses to rest Posada (with an off day on Monday and a NIGHT GAME tomorrow!)and start Giambi. Yes, the daily double! Then he slots them, yes, back to back in the line-up…I guess to remind Clement of NL line-ups.”

Giambi and his 730 OPS shouldn’t play at all, and Torre’s an idiot for putting him in there, but it’s OK to bat Matsui and his 716 OPS 4th and the guy leaindg the world in HR, runs, and RBI 5th?

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48405 Simone Sat, 28 May 2005 17:56:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48405 <p><b><a name="9" rel="nofollow"></a>9.</b>  JohnnyC, are you saying that you don't value Giambi's wonderful ability to walk over the much maligned ability of actually hitting the ball? LOL! I know you are pissed, but Torre had nothing to do with this fiasco, it is strictly on the shoulders of the pitchers who sucked all the way around.</p> <p> Did anyone see Flaherty's at bat where Clement threw 6 balls and Flaherty actually swung at 3 of them and got himself out? What a dope. </p> 9.  JohnnyC, are you saying that you don’t value Giambi’s wonderful ability to walk over the much maligned ability of actually hitting the ball? LOL! I know you are pissed, but Torre had nothing to do with this fiasco, it is strictly on the shoulders of the pitchers who sucked all the way around.

Did anyone see Flaherty’s at bat where Clement threw 6 balls and Flaherty actually swung at 3 of them and got himself out? What a dope.

]]> By: Cliff Corcoran http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48404 Cliff Corcoran Sat, 28 May 2005 17:28:51 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48404 <p><b><a name="8" rel="nofollow"></a>8.</b>  JohnnyC, those interviews are conducted between innings and shown on tape during the following half. </p> 8.  JohnnyC, those interviews are conducted between innings and shown on tape during the following half.

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48403 rbj Sat, 28 May 2005 17:05:32 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48403 <p><b><a name="7" rel="nofollow"></a>7.</b>  Nothing to see here, move along you Looky Lous. </p> 7.  Nothing to see here, move along you Looky Lous.

]]> By: JohnnyC http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48402 JohnnyC Sat, 28 May 2005 17:02:10 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48402 <p><b><a name="6" rel="nofollow"></a>6.</b>  The only thing worse than having to watch this embarassment of a game is realizing that there is no way we can be rid of Joe Torre's even more embarassing management of it. Mr. No Intensity did it again. Going against the Red Sox's best pitcher this season, Torre chooses to rest Posada (with an off day on Monday and a NIGHT GAME tomorrow!)and start Giambi. Yes, the daily double! Then he slots them, yes, back to back in the line-up...I guess to remind Clement of NL line-ups. All the people who laughed at George for not allowing on-air interviews with his manager DURING A GAME hopefully witnessed the 5th inning. Yeah, Torre really nailed it on his pitching changes in that inning. After all, he couldn't take Stanton out until the bases were loaded...er...I mean, the interview was over. </p> 6.  The only thing worse than having to watch this embarassment of a game is realizing that there is no way we can be rid of Joe Torre’s even more embarassing management of it. Mr. No Intensity did it again. Going against the Red Sox’s best pitcher this season, Torre chooses to rest Posada (with an off day on Monday and a NIGHT GAME tomorrow!)and start Giambi. Yes, the daily double! Then he slots them, yes, back to back in the line-up…I guess to remind Clement of NL line-ups. All the people who laughed at George for not allowing on-air interviews with his manager DURING A GAME hopefully witnessed the 5th inning. Yeah, Torre really nailed it on his pitching changes in that inning. After all, he couldn’t take Stanton out until the bases were loaded…er…I mean, the interview was over.

]]> By: redshift http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48401 redshift Sat, 28 May 2005 16:45:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48401 <p><b><a name="5" rel="nofollow"></a>5.</b>  Time to just shut off the TV, go outside, and count the hours until we can watch the Yanks beat up on Wells. </p> 5.  Time to just shut off the TV, go outside, and count the hours until we can watch the Yanks beat up on Wells.

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48400 Simone Sat, 28 May 2005 16:44:25 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48400 <p><b><a name="4" rel="nofollow"></a>4.</b>  The only positive thing about this blow out is that it sinks FOX's ratings like a rock and no television network deserves this more. </p> 4.  The only positive thing about this blow out is that it sinks FOX’s ratings like a rock and no television network deserves this more.

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48399 Simone Sat, 28 May 2005 16:37:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48399 <p><b><a name="3" rel="nofollow"></a>3.</b>  I go run an errand and when I come back, the Yankees have given up 7 runs in the 5th. Ugh. It is on Moose tomorrow. </p> <p> Also, Clement is a shit who hit Jeter on purpose. I'm buying any excuses about him pitching inside and not meaning it. It is time for Yankee pitchers to start mowing down the hitters of other teams because it has become intolerable how often Yankees hitters have been hit. </p> 3.  I go run an errand and when I come back, the Yankees have given up 7 runs in the 5th. Ugh. It is on Moose tomorrow.

Also, Clement is a shit who hit Jeter on purpose. I’m buying any excuses about him pitching inside and not meaning it. It is time for Yankee pitchers to start mowing down the hitters of other teams because it has become intolerable how often Yankees hitters have been hit.

]]> By: singledd http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48398 singledd Sat, 28 May 2005 15:35:31 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48398 <p><b><a name="2" rel="nofollow"></a>2.</b>  If RJ doesn't perform, Steinbrenner will place more of a premium on Clemens! This is a man does not learn from his mistakes. </p> 2.  If RJ doesn’t perform, Steinbrenner will place more of a premium on Clemens! This is a man does not learn from his mistakes.

]]> By: Hank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48397 Hank Sat, 28 May 2005 14:06:02 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/05/28/passing-the-test/#comment-48397 <p><b><a name="1" rel="nofollow"></a>1.</b>  I wasn't aware of Posada's issue with blocking the plate -- thanks for bringing it up again. Like you, I was also impressed with Canó's awareness on that play at the plate. He didn't hesitate a second, just came up throwing. Maybe Jeter was hollering at him, but a nice play either way.</p> <p> What I don't like, though, is that every time Canó make a nice play or strokes a big hit, I get a vision of him in an Astro uniform (likely along with Wang). When will this team realize that it might be a good thing to have a solid young player making $300,000 for the next few years? If Johnson doesn't regain his expected form (or maybe this IS his expected form at age 41), the silver lining could be that Steinbrenner might begin to place more of a premium on youth. </p> 1.  I wasn’t aware of Posada’s issue with blocking the plate — thanks for bringing it up again. Like you, I was also impressed with Canó’s awareness on that play at the plate. He didn’t hesitate a second, just came up throwing. Maybe Jeter was hollering at him, but a nice play either way.

What I don’t like, though, is that every time Canó make a nice play or strokes a big hit, I get a vision of him in an Astro uniform (likely along with Wang). When will this team realize that it might be a good thing to have a solid young player making $300,000 for the next few years? If Johnson doesn’t regain his expected form (or maybe this IS his expected form at age 41), the silver lining could be that Steinbrenner might begin to place more of a premium on youth.

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