Comments on: Someone Left The Cake Out In The Rain http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Thu, 23 May 2013 18:30:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Beth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48529 Beth Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:39:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48529 <p><b><a name="17" rel="nofollow"></a>17.</b>  "failed to dominate" is an interesting way to phrase it. </p> 17.  ”failed to dominate” is an interesting way to phrase it.

]]> By: nickb http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48528 nickb Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:51:14 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48528 <p><b><a name="16" rel="nofollow"></a>16.</b>  I definitely understand that viewpoint. I'm also a Kansas Jayhawk basketball fan whose team consistently wins but comes up just short in the tournament. Your team can be a winner, loser or somewhere in between and still generate oodles of frustration. But the joys they produce keep me coming back for more! </p> 16.  I definitely understand that viewpoint. I’m also a Kansas Jayhawk basketball fan whose team consistently wins but comes up just short in the tournament. Your team can be a winner, loser or somewhere in between and still generate oodles of frustration. But the joys they produce keep me coming back for more!

]]> By: brockdc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48527 brockdc Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:58:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48527 <p><b><a name="15" rel="nofollow"></a>15.</b>  Speaking for myself, a lot of my "whining" comes from the frustration of what the Yankees COULD be, much of which has been detailed ad infinitum on this blog. Though ideally this team could use a personnel overhaul, from top to bottom (but a mixture of cronyism and bad contracts prevent this from happening), they would still benefit greatly from just a few minor tweaks (benching Womack, platooning Phillips and Tino, putting Bernie in LF and attempting to groom young talent as opposed to trading it away and watching it thrive in ML outposts). It's much easier to root for your team - win or lose - when you know they're headed in the right direction.</p> <p> By the way, I know futility too. I've been a Jets and Rangers fan my whole life and bitch about them incessantly, regardless of their respective records. </p> 15.  Speaking for myself, a lot of my “whining” comes from the frustration of what the Yankees COULD be, much of which has been detailed ad infinitum on this blog. Though ideally this team could use a personnel overhaul, from top to bottom (but a mixture of cronyism and bad contracts prevent this from happening), they would still benefit greatly from just a few minor tweaks (benching Womack, platooning Phillips and Tino, putting Bernie in LF and attempting to groom young talent as opposed to trading it away and watching it thrive in ML outposts). It’s much easier to root for your team – win or lose – when you know they’re headed in the right direction.

By the way, I know futility too. I’ve been a Jets and Rangers fan my whole life and bitch about them incessantly, regardless of their respective records.

]]> By: nickb http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48526 nickb Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:18:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48526 <p><b><a name="14" rel="nofollow"></a>14.</b>  Thanks for the love, guys. I'm off to try to convince Rob Neyer and Joe Sheehan not to head up the contraction sweepstakes. </p> 14.  Thanks for the love, guys. I’m off to try to convince Rob Neyer and Joe Sheehan not to head up the contraction sweepstakes.

]]> By: Cliff Corcoran http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48525 Cliff Corcoran Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:00:24 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48525 <p><b><a name="13" rel="nofollow"></a>13.</b>  Indeed, now that they have real grass, it's an absolute beaut. Kauffmann Stadium and PNC Park both deserve to have winning ballclubs, though the KC fans deserve a winner much more than the Pittsburgh "faithful." </p> 13.  Indeed, now that they have real grass, it’s an absolute beaut. Kauffmann Stadium and PNC Park both deserve to have winning ballclubs, though the KC fans deserve a winner much more than the Pittsburgh “faithful.”

]]> By: Dan M http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48524 Dan M Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:47:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48524 <p><b><a name="12" rel="nofollow"></a>12.</b>  Also, Cliff, KC has the most underrated stadium in the game. </p> 12.  Also, Cliff, KC has the most underrated stadium in the game.

]]> By: nickb http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48523 nickb Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:51:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48523 <p><b><a name="11" rel="nofollow"></a>11.</b>  Cliff - I'm a fan of baseball in general, of the Royals specifically. I like to read all the blogs on this site to see the varying points of view around the league. I totally agree that this is a Yankee blog and Yankee fans ought to be able to complain about whatever they want. I just wanted to add a little perspective. At the end of the year, you guys will be battling for the wild card or even the division title and this series will be but a laughable side note. </p> 11.  Cliff – I’m a fan of baseball in general, of the Royals specifically. I like to read all the blogs on this site to see the varying points of view around the league. I totally agree that this is a Yankee blog and Yankee fans ought to be able to complain about whatever they want. I just wanted to add a little perspective. At the end of the year, you guys will be battling for the wild card or even the division title and this series will be but a laughable side note.

]]> By: Cliff Corcoran http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48522 Cliff Corcoran Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:36:13 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48522 <p><b><a name="10" rel="nofollow"></a>10.</b>  Nickb, let me first say that those suggestions of contraction are moronic, particularly in Kansas City. The Royals have a fantastic fan base, they just have an incompetant owner/front office. MLB needs to find a way to get ownership to sell the team.</p> <p> Meanwhile, I recognize the pettyness of our whining here, but this <strong class="hft-bold">is</strong> a Yankee blog. If this were a general baseball blog that had focused on the Yankees little rough spell as a major issue, then I could understand your complaint, but we're here to talk Yankees and you have to agree, they should <strong class="hft-bold">not</strong> be losing to your Royals. </p> 10.  Nickb, let me first say that those suggestions of contraction are moronic, particularly in Kansas City. The Royals have a fantastic fan base, they just have an incompetant owner/front office. MLB needs to find a way to get ownership to sell the team.

Meanwhile, I recognize the pettyness of our whining here, but this is a Yankee blog. If this were a general baseball blog that had focused on the Yankees little rough spell as a major issue, then I could understand your complaint, but we’re here to talk Yankees and you have to agree, they should not be losing to your Royals.

]]> By: nickb http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48521 nickb Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:13:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48521 <p><b><a name="9" rel="nofollow"></a>9.</b>  As a Royals fan who has had to put up with a historically bad season, a bird-brained managerial hire and at least two nationally respected baseball writers suggesting contraction as the best solution to the Royals problems, I have to say that the Yankees losing two, or, God forbid, three games to Kansas City is small peanuts on the scale of relevant complaints. </p> 9.  As a Royals fan who has had to put up with a historically bad season, a bird-brained managerial hire and at least two nationally respected baseball writers suggesting contraction as the best solution to the Royals problems, I have to say that the Yankees losing two, or, God forbid, three games to Kansas City is small peanuts on the scale of relevant complaints.

]]> By: Rich Lederer http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48520 Rich Lederer Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:00:12 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48520 <p><b><a name="8" rel="nofollow"></a>8.</b>  <strong class="hft-bold">The Yankees haven't lost on my man Alex's birthday since 2001</strong></p> <p> Oh, I thought it was that the Yankees hadn't won a World Series since Alex turned 30.</p> <p> :-) </p> 8.  The Yankees haven’t lost on my man Alex’s birthday since 2001

Oh, I thought it was that the Yankees hadn’t won a World Series since Alex turned 30.

:-)

]]> By: rsmith51 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48519 rsmith51 Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:56:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48519 <p><b><a name="7" rel="nofollow"></a>7.</b>  It is nice to see Bernie some good abs. He looked lost there for a while. Has anyone "official" mentioned putting Bernie in LF? It is ridiculous that Womack is getting the majority of the playing time there and more annoying that he is batting second(so he can move the runners along, I guess). He is not even doing that. I had hoped that Cashman shook up the lineup to point out how bad Womack is. I think they have the players to win, just need to use them right. Unless they get a legitimate CF, Matsui in CF, Bernie in LF, and Sheffield in RF. If they get a CF, cut Ruben. He looks terrible. If he's around Torre may use him WAY TOO MUCH! </p> 7.  It is nice to see Bernie some good abs. He looked lost there for a while. Has anyone “official” mentioned putting Bernie in LF? It is ridiculous that Womack is getting the majority of the playing time there and more annoying that he is batting second(so he can move the runners along, I guess). He is not even doing that. I had hoped that Cashman shook up the lineup to point out how bad Womack is. I think they have the players to win, just need to use them right. Unless they get a legitimate CF, Matsui in CF, Bernie in LF, and Sheffield in RF. If they get a CF, cut Ruben. He looks terrible. If he’s around Torre may use him WAY TOO MUCH!

]]> By: Pete http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48518 Pete Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:46:51 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48518 <p><b><a name="6" rel="nofollow"></a>6.</b>  I listened to pregame on the radio, and heard John Sterling say that on any other team Carrasco was, at best, a middle reliever. I can't believe how a guy like this could make the Yankee bats look so futile. (The umpire seemed to be helping him out with borderline calls, to the point where Kenny Singleton mentioned it.) The lineup's inconsistency this season has been maddening. </p> 6.  I listened to pregame on the radio, and heard John Sterling say that on any other team Carrasco was, at best, a middle reliever. I can’t believe how a guy like this could make the Yankee bats look so futile. (The umpire seemed to be helping him out with borderline calls, to the point where Kenny Singleton mentioned it.) The lineup’s inconsistency this season has been maddening.

]]> By: Murray http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48517 Murray Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:16:09 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48517 <p><b><a name="5" rel="nofollow"></a>5.</b>  There are no positive lessons to be taken away from a second consecutive loss to the worst team in the league. </p> 5.  There are no positive lessons to be taken away from a second consecutive loss to the worst team in the league.

]]> By: Paul http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48516 Paul Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:12:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48516 <p><b><a name="4" rel="nofollow"></a>4.</b>  I turned the game on after the first inning, with the Royals already leading 2-0. I then learned that the first run got on base with a bloop double, followed by the home run. From this perspective, Johnson pitched a very strong game, with plenty of Ks and good velocity on the fastball and movement on the slider. Granted, it's the "silver lining", but I'm trying to take something good out of another painful loss. </p> 4.  I turned the game on after the first inning, with the Royals already leading 2-0. I then learned that the first run got on base with a bloop double, followed by the home run. From this perspective, Johnson pitched a very strong game, with plenty of Ks and good velocity on the fastball and movement on the slider. Granted, it’s the “silver lining”, but I’m trying to take something good out of another painful loss.

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48515 rbj Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:17:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48515 <p><b><a name="3" rel="nofollow"></a>3.</b>  [Censored]<br /> -kicks chair-</p> <p> Torre wasn't happy last night either. While Randy wasn't overpowering, it was a decent game overall, pitching-wise.<br /> Yankees weren't able to capitalize on early wildness by the Royals' starter. Pathetic. </p> 3.  [Censored]
-kicks chair-

Torre wasn’t happy last night either. While Randy wasn’t overpowering, it was a decent game overall, pitching-wise.
Yankees weren’t able to capitalize on early wildness by the Royals’ starter. Pathetic.

]]> By: Dan M http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48514 Dan M Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:13:09 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48514 <p><b><a name="2" rel="nofollow"></a>2.</b>  Singledd, one of the biggest problem with Bernie's arm over the years has been his inability to prevent runners from going first to third. That's not much of an issue for in LF, and hopefully Matsui can hold more guys at 2nd.</p> <p> The Yanks fell back into their ALCS Part II mode of swinging at the first pitch last night. At one point, KC got out of a one on, one out spot on two pitches, thanks to Cano and Jeter. </p> 2.  Singledd, one of the biggest problem with Bernie’s arm over the years has been his inability to prevent runners from going first to third. That’s not much of an issue for in LF, and hopefully Matsui can hold more guys at 2nd.

The Yanks fell back into their ALCS Part II mode of swinging at the first pitch last night. At one point, KC got out of a one on, one out spot on two pitches, thanks to Cano and Jeter.

]]> By: singledd http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48513 singledd Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:28:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2005/06/01/someone-left-the-cake-out-in-the-rain/#comment-48513 <p><b><a name="1" rel="nofollow"></a>1.</b>  "[For what it's worth, Giambi is hitting .285/.348/.333 (.240) over the same stretch, his double last night being his only extra base hit over that span.]"</p> <p> I guess that does NOT include the 'West Coast Test', as I know he hit a HR and had a short hitting streak. Do you know his numbers since the trip out West?</p> <p> I think Giambi is a 'shit or get off the pot' proposition. He will not help us much off the bench, and eventually his presence will hurt. Because of his salary, I think the Yanks need to know what is the best he can bring.</p> <p> As I've said for a while... make Bernie our everyday LF and Giambi our everyday DH against righties. Do this for 30-40 straight games... and then assess it.</p> <p> I simply don't think we have better options. We know Bernie still can hit .250-.260, with doubles power and a few HRs. I think Giambi can do the same (slightly lower BA and higher OBP then Bernie), with a few more HRs.<br /> Whatever their best is, we will only see it if the are both REGULARS.</p> <p> I would also be curious to know statistically how many fewer opportunities (on defense and critical throws) a LF has compared to a CF.</p> <p> Also: Is Bernies elbow still sore? Will his throwing inprove (a little) in the future? </p> 1.  ”[For what it's worth, Giambi is hitting .285/.348/.333 (.240) over the same stretch, his double last night being his only extra base hit over that span.]“

I guess that does NOT include the ‘West Coast Test’, as I know he hit a HR and had a short hitting streak. Do you know his numbers since the trip out West?

I think Giambi is a ‘shit or get off the pot’ proposition. He will not help us much off the bench, and eventually his presence will hurt. Because of his salary, I think the Yanks need to know what is the best he can bring.

As I’ve said for a while… make Bernie our everyday LF and Giambi our everyday DH against righties. Do this for 30-40 straight games… and then assess it.

I simply don’t think we have better options. We know Bernie still can hit .250-.260, with doubles power and a few HRs. I think Giambi can do the same (slightly lower BA and higher OBP then Bernie), with a few more HRs.
Whatever their best is, we will only see it if the are both REGULARS.

I would also be curious to know statistically how many fewer opportunities (on defense and critical throws) a LF has compared to a CF.

Also: Is Bernies elbow still sore? Will his throwing inprove (a little) in the future?

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