Comments on: News of the Day – 12/9/08 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Tue, 21 May 2013 07:23:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-65005 sonyahennystutu Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:57:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-65005 Yeah I thought about this scenario too: make a public announcement of a reasonable deadline for our offer, say 5 business days from now. That forces the west coast teams hands somewhat - either they make a competitive offer in the next few days or risk losing CC to the Yanks. The risk though is as you say - no one makes an offer, the Yanks pull, and now CC loses leverage. That said, we all know if he comes knocking on the door again we'd probably pull the trigger (unless we've already thrown $200mm at Tex...) though I agree [15] that it'd have to be 'now or never' at that point. Yeah I thought about this scenario too: make a public announcement of a reasonable deadline for our offer, say 5 business days from now. That forces the west coast teams hands somewhat – either they make a competitive offer in the next few days or risk losing CC to the Yanks.

The risk though is as you say – no one makes an offer, the Yanks pull, and now CC loses leverage. That said, we all know if he comes knocking on the door again we’d probably pull the trigger (unless we’ve already thrown $200mm at Tex…) though I agree [15] that it’d have to be ‘now or never’ at that point.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-65004 Chyll Will Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:27:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-65004 [15]... anxious to see <b><i> what happens when</b></i> the Yanks publicly pull the plug... [15]… anxious to see what happens when the Yanks publicly pull the plug…

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-65003 Chyll Will Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:23:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-65003 [13] I think the longer CC waits, the more risk he runs of losing not only the Yanks' interest, but of getting top dollar. With the Yanks out of the picture, the California teams are free to offer him little more than what Burnett is likely to get, and that would be his and his agent's fault and no one else. As Bill Madden says in his column, CC's agent would be "dead". Whatever CC's intentions are, who else would hire an agent who leaves that much money on the table? The CA teams are hoping the Yanks drop out so they can save a ton. Of course if he were to come back and see if the Yanks were still interested, it should only be contingent on the idea that he sign immediately. So I've not given up on signing CC, but I'm anxious to see when the Yanks publicly pull the plug, and in doing so slash his leverage. [13] I think the longer CC waits, the more risk he runs of losing not only the Yanks’ interest, but of getting top dollar. With the Yanks out of the picture, the California teams are free to offer him little more than what Burnett is likely to get, and that would be his and his agent’s fault and no one else. As Bill Madden says in his column, CC’s agent would be “dead”. Whatever CC’s intentions are, who else would hire an agent who leaves that much money on the table? The CA teams are hoping the Yanks drop out so they can save a ton.

Of course if he were to come back and see if the Yanks were still interested, it should only be contingent on the idea that he sign immediately. So I’ve not given up on signing CC, but I’m anxious to see when the Yanks publicly pull the plug, and in doing so slash his leverage.

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-65002 sonyahennystutu Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:27:42 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-65002 The thing about the CA teams is that it seems like the smaller moves they're making, and their needs/wants in general, are boxing them further out of making a meaningful (>$100mm) offer to CC. Thinking here mostly of SF so far, and some of the stuff the Dodgers are leaning toward. To me the wild card is Anaheim who everyone knows would prefer Tex. But if Boston makes a strong move and signs him, then I wouldn't be surprised if Anaheim ownership makes a quick, decisive move toward CC - offering "just enough" ($125mm for 6 years?) to sign him out from under the Yanks. We may not even get a chance to counter at 150-160 which I actually think we would, given the chance... The thing about the CA teams is that it seems like the smaller moves they’re making, and their needs/wants in general, are boxing them further out of making a meaningful (>$100mm) offer to CC. Thinking here mostly of SF so far, and some of the stuff the Dodgers are leaning toward.

To me the wild card is Anaheim who everyone knows would prefer Tex. But if Boston makes a strong move and signs him, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Anaheim ownership makes a quick, decisive move toward CC – offering “just enough” ($125mm for 6 years?) to sign him out from under the Yanks. We may not even get a chance to counter at 150-160 which I actually think we would, given the chance…

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-65001 The Hawk Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:28:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-65001 I have completed my 180 and am now firmly AGAINST Proposition CC. Enough is enough. Not only do I not want him here, I want him to go elsewhere ASAP, so that the Yankees might stop embrassing themselves. I have completed my 180 and am now firmly AGAINST Proposition CC. Enough is enough. Not only do I not want him here, I want him to go elsewhere ASAP, so that the Yankees might stop embrassing themselves.

]]> By: Yankee Mama http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-65000 Yankee Mama Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:25:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-65000 CC Wang Sheets Joba Pettite/Hughes I could live with that. CC
Wang
Sheets
Joba
Pettite/Hughes

I could live with that.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64999 Raf Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:33:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64999 [5] Still, a player posts the following lines .349, .444/.488 .358, .422/.498 .316, .384/.433 .315, .378/.437 All the while being a "professional hitter," (given the AVG) and a "run producer," (given the RBI's), you'd have to give him a look, Balboni's power potential or not. [8] My impression is that it looks like Peavy & Sabathia want to remain close to home. [5]

Still, a player posts the following lines

.349, .444/.488
.358, .422/.498
.316, .384/.433
.315, .378/.437

All the while being a “professional hitter,” (given the AVG) and a “run producer,” (given the RBI’s), you’d have to give him a look, Balboni’s power potential or not.

[8] My impression is that it looks like Peavy & Sabathia want to remain close to home.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64998 Diane Firstman Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:20:28 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64998 [9] Greg Maddux - Lifetime stats in AL stadia ... G W L CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB SO HBP 22 9 7 4 3 145 4.16 160 73 67 13 22 99 5 [9]
Greg Maddux – Lifetime stats in AL stadia …
G W L CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB SO HBP
22 9 7 4 3 145 4.16 160 73 67 13 22 99 5

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64997 ms october Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:03:16 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64997 i also had a more positive reading of the tea leaves (albeit all these tea leaves are pretty salty with how much grains of salt you have to take this stuff with - for example how do we really know what if anything cc said to ned colleti) after the yankee/cc meeting. i do agree with you william that cc would like to at least have a serious offer from a ca/nl team to make his decision, but it doesn't seem the dodgers, giants, or angels are in and that basically leaves brewers or yanks. i am sure someone has done the analysis, but i would be interested to see just how much being in the nl does help a pitcher. qualitatively it seems like a lot. not to pick on him, but since he just had his pc yesterday, i don't think greg maddux could have done anything in the al the last year or so. santana probably bought himself a a couple of more years as an elite pitcher by switching leagues - so maybe that is in part what is driving peavy and sabathia. i also had a more positive reading of the tea leaves (albeit all these tea leaves are pretty salty with how much grains of salt you have to take this stuff with – for example how do we really know what if anything cc said to ned colleti) after the yankee/cc meeting.

i do agree with you william that cc would like to at least have a serious offer from a ca/nl team to make his decision, but it doesn’t seem the dodgers, giants, or angels are in and that basically leaves brewers or yanks.

i am sure someone has done the analysis, but i would be interested to see just how much being in the nl does help a pitcher. qualitatively it seems like a lot. not to pick on him, but since he just had his pc yesterday, i don’t think greg maddux could have done anything in the al the last year or so. santana probably bought himself a a couple of more years as an elite pitcher by switching leagues – so maybe that is in part what is driving peavy and sabathia.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64996 williamnyy23 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:38:50 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64996 [7] I guess the tea leaves I am reading are: (1) the Yankees still by far have the highest offer; (2) there was a report saying C.C. wasn't expected to make a decision this week; and (3) the Yankees seem to be interested in Sheets and Burnett again. It looks like Sabathia is just waiting for an NL/CA team to make a better offer...maybe that wont come, but maybe it will. Could the AL be that much harder that pitchers like Sabathia and Peavy want to remain in the NL for competitive reasons? [7] I guess the tea leaves I am reading are: (1) the Yankees still by far have the highest offer; (2) there was a report saying C.C. wasn’t expected to make a decision this week; and (3) the Yankees seem to be interested in Sheets and Burnett again.

It looks like Sabathia is just waiting for an NL/CA team to make a better offer…maybe that wont come, but maybe it will.

Could the AL be that much harder that pitchers like Sabathia and Peavy want to remain in the NL for competitive reasons?

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64995 sonyahennystutu Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:34:05 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64995 It's funny William, after reading everything this morning about the 2nd meeting (requested by CC), the people present, the nature and tenor of the discussions - at least as they were reported - the tea leaves feel better to me than they have since the day the $140mm offer was extended. Maybe I'm just wishing here, but it feels good to me today... It’s funny William, after reading everything this morning about the 2nd meeting (requested by CC), the people present, the nature and tenor of the discussions – at least as they were reported – the tea leaves feel better to me than they have since the day the $140mm offer was extended.

Maybe I’m just wishing here, but it feels good to me today…

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64994 Diane Firstman Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:10:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64994 [4] You are right on Mattingly being Yankee property before McGriff ... I stand corrected. [4]

You are right on Mattingly being Yankee property before McGriff … I stand corrected.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64993 williamnyy23 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:09:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64993 [4] Mattingly was never the type of player that scouts loved. Only his hardwork got him to the majors, which is one of the reasons I think he is such a beloved figure. The C.C. tea leaves really do not look good at all. Last year, I ultimately came down against the Santana deal because I felt having C.C. and Hughes would be better than just Santana. If the Yankees can't land Sabathia, I think it shines light back upon that decision. Cashman has to be desperate for Sabathia, but more and more I get the feeling he isn't going to sign here. [4] Mattingly was never the type of player that scouts loved. Only his hardwork got him to the majors, which is one of the reasons I think he is such a beloved figure.

The C.C. tea leaves really do not look good at all. Last year, I ultimately came down against the Santana deal because I felt having C.C. and Hughes would be better than just Santana. If the Yankees can’t land Sabathia, I think it shines light back upon that decision. Cashman has to be desperate for Sabathia, but more and more I get the feeling he isn’t going to sign here.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64992 Raf Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:58:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64992 Just to clarify, Mattingly was in the system before McGriff. Interesting that Mattingly was blocked by Steve Balboni, despite tearing up the Sally, Southern & Int'l leagues. Just to clarify, Mattingly was in the system before McGriff. Interesting that Mattingly was blocked by Steve Balboni, despite tearing up the Sally, Southern & Int’l leagues.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64991 Alex Belth Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:13:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64991 Well, I'd much rather a high risk/high reward scenerio if you are talking about two years rather than four or five which is what it looks like it'll take to nab Burnett. Well, I’d much rather a high risk/high reward scenerio if you are talking about two years rather than four or five which is what it looks like it’ll take to nab Burnett.

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64990 sonyahennystutu Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:58:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64990 As per my post yesterday, I'm REALLY psyched about the Sheets thing. I think 2 years for $30mm is great, and I'd even throw in a vesting 3rd year based on starts in years 1 and 2. Say 55 starts total = $18mm in year 3, which he will have more than earned if he makes 55+ starts over two years. Interesting times indeed. As per my post yesterday, I’m REALLY psyched about the Sheets thing. I think 2 years for $30mm is great, and I’d even throw in a vesting 3rd year based on starts in years 1 and 2. Say 55 starts total = $18mm in year 3, which he will have more than earned if he makes 55+ starts over two years.

Interesting times indeed.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/09/news-of-the-day-12908/#comment-64989 Alex Belth Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:37:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5554#comment-64989 D, you are absolutely on FIRE. Great job as always. So many rumors, so little brain space...Oh, and thanks for the lovely reminded re: the Fred McGriff deal...OY. D, you are absolutely on FIRE. Great job as always. So many rumors, so little brain space…Oh, and thanks for the lovely reminded re: the Fred McGriff deal…OY.

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