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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/10/big-man-big-money/#comment-65155</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[63] (cough) damn you html coding!</description>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[36] &lt;b&gt; I think they’ve gotten religion about starting pitching. Perhaps they’ve gotten too much religion though… &lt;/i&gt; 

Why do I detect a &quot;Buddha Belly&quot; reference there? &gt;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[36] <b> I think they’ve gotten religion about starting pitching. Perhaps they’ve gotten too much religion though…  </p>
<p>Why do I detect a &#8220;Buddha Belly&#8221; reference there? &gt;;)</b></p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[58] 

Point was if the Yankees want to move him, they will.  They will either eat salary, or take on another problem contract in return, or package something of value with Sabathia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[58] </p>
<p>Point was if the Yankees want to move him, they will.  They will either eat salary, or take on another problem contract in return, or package something of value with Sabathia.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does fielding count? Below are some 2007 numbers.
FIP = Fielding Independent ERA

J.Santana -- FIP 3.71,  ERA 3.14
C.M. Wang - FIP 3.76,  ERA 3.82
A. Pettitte -- FIP 3.70,  ERA 3.93

So pitching in a defense neutral environment, Andy and Wang were basically the same pitcher as Santana (in 2007)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does fielding count? Below are some 2007 numbers.<br />
FIP = Fielding Independent ERA</p>
<p>J.Santana &#8212; FIP 3.71,  ERA 3.14<br />
C.M. Wang &#8211; FIP 3.76,  ERA 3.82<br />
A. Pettitte &#8212; FIP 3.70,  ERA 3.93</p>
<p>So pitching in a defense neutral environment, Andy and Wang were basically the same pitcher as Santana (in 2007)</p>
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		<title>By: JL25and3</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL25and3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ll add: with CC in the fold, I think the offense is now a bigger problem than the pitching.  That&#039;s especially true if you look beyond this year - and isn&#039;t that what the Cashman regime is supposed to be about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ll add: with CC in the fold, I think the offense is now a bigger problem than the pitching.  That&#8217;s especially true if you look beyond this year &#8211; and isn&#8217;t that what the Cashman regime is supposed to be about?</p>
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		<title>By: JL25and3</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL25and3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>william, it&#039;s true that the Yankees will need some good major-league outfielders, and that first base is (or at least should be) a relatively easy position to fill.

But it&#039;s that bat in the middle of the lineup that Teixeira provides, and is likely to provide pretty reliably for quite a few years.   Finding outfielders becomes easier if you&#039;re looking for guys who can hit 6-7 in the lineup rather than 3-5.  Dunn would really be the only alternative, but Teixeira&#039;s considerably better (especially if you count defense, even at 1B).  I expect that gap to widen in a few years.

Having Teixeira and Rodriguez batting 3-4 would solve a lot of problems for a long time.  It&#039;s expensive, but a good long-term investment.  There aren&#039;t going to be any FA outfielders that good in the immediate future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>william, it&#8217;s true that the Yankees will need some good major-league outfielders, and that first base is (or at least should be) a relatively easy position to fill.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s that bat in the middle of the lineup that Teixeira provides, and is likely to provide pretty reliably for quite a few years.   Finding outfielders becomes easier if you&#8217;re looking for guys who can hit 6-7 in the lineup rather than 3-5.  Dunn would really be the only alternative, but Teixeira&#8217;s considerably better (especially if you count defense, even at 1B).  I expect that gap to widen in a few years.</p>
<p>Having Teixeira and Rodriguez batting 3-4 would solve a lot of problems for a long time.  It&#8217;s expensive, but a good long-term investment.  There aren&#8217;t going to be any FA outfielders that good in the immediate future.</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[56] Except that I think few teams are going to be willing to take on even a substantial part of such a contract if CC beaches himself.

However, I don&#039;t think the economy is going to be in such a good shape that anyone (maybe Boston or LA) is going to pay CC more than what he&#039;s going to be making.  And if the Yankees are in the midst of another WS dynasty, would he really want to move?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[56] Except that I think few teams are going to be willing to take on even a substantial part of such a contract if CC beaches himself.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think the economy is going to be in such a good shape that anyone (maybe Boston or LA) is going to pay CC more than what he&#8217;s going to be making.  And if the Yankees are in the midst of another WS dynasty, would he really want to move?</p>
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		<title>By: 51cq24</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[33] thankfully, justice doesn&#039;t require consistency with past absurdity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[33] thankfully, justice doesn&#8217;t require consistency with past absurdity</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, if the contract becomes an albatross, the player gets moved.  Mike Hampton didn&#039;t finish his contract with the Rockies, Denny Neagle didn&#039;t finish his contract with the Rays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, if the contract becomes an albatross, the player gets moved.  Mike Hampton didn&#8217;t finish his contract with the Rockies, Denny Neagle didn&#8217;t finish his contract with the Rays.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Fan in Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Fan in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[50] or will they trade a SP? hughes maybe? 

not that i want that to happen, mind you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[50] or will they trade a SP? hughes maybe? </p>
<p>not that i want that to happen, mind you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cru Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cru Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[53] Actually, make that closer to $60 million.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[53] Actually, make that closer to $60 million&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Cru Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cru Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This IS exciting!!

But, is anyone else not looking forward to 2015, when we&#039;ll have a 40-year old A-Rod and 33 year-old CC making $55 million??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This IS exciting!!</p>
<p>But, is anyone else not looking forward to 2015, when we&#8217;ll have a 40-year old A-Rod and 33 year-old CC making $55 million??</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[47] [50] Well, a rotation of CC, Wang, Lowe, Sheets/Pettitte, and Joba is pretty good. And lets be honest, the chances of Pettitte/Sheets getting injured is really really high. 

I imagine that they are planning on going with Joba as the 5 man and Hughes in AAA to continue to work.

On the other hand, and not that I advocate it, that does, &quot;in theory,&quot; open up Hughes to be traded for one Jaake Peavey. Wouldn&#039;t a rotation of CC, Peavey, Wang, Lowe, and Joba be super awesome?

But again, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[47] [50] Well, a rotation of CC, Wang, Lowe, Sheets/Pettitte, and Joba is pretty good. And lets be honest, the chances of Pettitte/Sheets getting injured is really really high. </p>
<p>I imagine that they are planning on going with Joba as the 5 man and Hughes in AAA to continue to work.</p>
<p>On the other hand, and not that I advocate it, that does, &#8220;in theory,&#8221; open up Hughes to be traded for one Jaake Peavey. Wouldn&#8217;t a rotation of CC, Peavey, Wang, Lowe, and Joba be super awesome?</p>
<p>But again, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the Yanks saying to Andy (and the Hendricks brothers):

&quot;Dear Andy,

We offered you $10M.  You want $16M.

We know you want to play for us, and open the New Staidum, badly.

Either take the $10M now or you&#039;re going to be on the outside looking in.

love,

The Yankees&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the Yanks saying to Andy (and the Hendricks brothers):</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Andy,</p>
<p>We offered you $10M.  You want $16M.</p>
<p>We know you want to play for us, and open the New Staidum, badly.</p>
<p>Either take the $10M now or you&#8217;re going to be on the outside looking in.</p>
<p>love,</p>
<p>The Yankees&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[47] Hmmm...that could mean the end of Andy, or, the Yankees plan to give Joba another go around in the pen, while having Hughes start the year in AAA and be on the ready for the first break down (and one is usually inevitable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[47] Hmmm&#8230;that could mean the end of Andy, or, the Yankees plan to give Joba another go around in the pen, while having Hughes start the year in AAA and be on the ready for the first break down (and one is usually inevitable).</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[47] What about Andy?! indeed!

Hopefully that jazz is just trying to apply leverage to AJ/Sheets/Lowe (sign now or one of the other guys will!) I would hate to have so many long term pitching contracts - they better not have NTCs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[47] What about Andy?! indeed!</p>
<p>Hopefully that jazz is just trying to apply leverage to AJ/Sheets/Lowe (sign now or one of the other guys will!) I would hate to have so many long term pitching contracts &#8211; they better not have NTCs!</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also (and sorry for the multiple posts) I wonder if all this makes Andy a little more willing to bend on his price. 

1) He won&#039;t want to be the last guy standing when the Yanks FA signing music stops.

2) He should be more optimistic for success with the way we&#039;re stacking the rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also (and sorry for the multiple posts) I wonder if all this makes Andy a little more willing to bend on his price. </p>
<p>1) He won&#8217;t want to be the last guy standing when the Yanks FA signing music stops.</p>
<p>2) He should be more optimistic for success with the way we&#8217;re stacking the rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeowza.  Reports now saying we&#039;re close with Lowe: 4 years, 66 million AND still pursuing AJ and Sheets with the goal of signing one of the last two.  Are we really going to sign THREE free agent starters AND Pettitte?  Or is Andy gone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeowza.  Reports now saying we&#8217;re close with Lowe: 4 years, 66 million AND still pursuing AJ and Sheets with the goal of signing one of the last two.  Are we really going to sign THREE free agent starters AND Pettitte?  Or is Andy gone?</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, exactly. The opt-out in and of itself sucks. Its not a good thing, but in the long run, it doesn’t hurt or make the contract a bad one per se. We’ll be stuck hearing about it for the first three years, but so be it.

After three years, the odds of someone offering a 31 year old CC 5-6 years at OVER $25M/year is highly, highly doubtful.

Either CC will opt out because he simply wants to go to a WC team or because he wants the Yanks to add an addition two years, giving him another 6 or so year contract at $25M/year.

Or, he won’t opt out, realizing that 4 years at $92M is the best he will get for his 31-34 years with lots of mileage on his hefty arm.

Any of those three options don’t really hurt the Yankees all that much. If in three years they haven’t developed the farm system more/given themselves enough depth, its their own damn fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, exactly. The opt-out in and of itself sucks. Its not a good thing, but in the long run, it doesn’t hurt or make the contract a bad one per se. We’ll be stuck hearing about it for the first three years, but so be it.</p>
<p>After three years, the odds of someone offering a 31 year old CC 5-6 years at OVER $25M/year is highly, highly doubtful.</p>
<p>Either CC will opt out because he simply wants to go to a WC team or because he wants the Yanks to add an addition two years, giving him another 6 or so year contract at $25M/year.</p>
<p>Or, he won’t opt out, realizing that 4 years at $92M is the best he will get for his 31-34 years with lots of mileage on his hefty arm.</p>
<p>Any of those three options don’t really hurt the Yankees all that much. If in three years they haven’t developed the farm system more/given themselves enough depth, its their own damn fault.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[42] You can definitely downgrade ERA+ a tick because of the league disparity, but Lowe&#039;s performance has been good enough to still suggest that he has been an above average major league pitcher.

[42] In a way, opt outs might be the next big thing in persuasive negotiations. Because MLB players have guaranteed deals, the only risks they assume are opportunity costs (i.e., damn, I could have made more money). Giving them opt outs would essentially remove even that risk.  What&#039;s more, because the Yankees will always be able to pay more money, the chances of another team outbidding them would be remote (although, as with Arod, the Yankees have shown a willingness to bid against themselves).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[42] You can definitely downgrade ERA+ a tick because of the league disparity, but Lowe&#8217;s performance has been good enough to still suggest that he has been an above average major league pitcher.</p>
<p>[42] In a way, opt outs might be the next big thing in persuasive negotiations. Because MLB players have guaranteed deals, the only risks they assume are opportunity costs (i.e., damn, I could have made more money). Giving them opt outs would essentially remove even that risk.  What&#8217;s more, because the Yankees will always be able to pay more money, the chances of another team outbidding them would be remote (although, as with Arod, the Yankees have shown a willingness to bid against themselves).</p>
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