Comments on: News of the Day – 12/12/08 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/ Baseball Blog by Alex Belth about the Yankees Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:40:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83222 williamnyy23 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:10:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83222 [18] I am sure I am in the minority, but I am glad they wrapped it up, especially at 82mn instead of 92mn. 16mn per year seems more in line with the market. Of course, now AJ has to stay healthy. [18] I am sure I am in the minority, but I am glad they wrapped it up, especially at 82mn instead of 92mn. 16mn per year seems more in line with the market. Of course, now AJ has to stay healthy.

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83220 sonyahennystutu Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:01:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83220 We signed AJ , 5 years 81.5mm according to mlbtraderumors.com We signed AJ , 5 years 81.5mm according to mlbtraderumors.com

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83209 williamnyy23 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:04:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83209 [15] I don't believe that signing Burnett would preclude the Yankees from going after Teixeira. With $86mn off the books, AJ+C.C.+Tex would be only $60-65mn, which leaves $20mn+ for raises and contract escalations. If an unnamed Yankee official states it's Burnett or Tex, that's either a bogus quote or one designed to mislead. Instead, I think the issue with Tex is more along the lines of signing him this year or another offensive player next year (e.g., Matt Holliday). [15] I don’t believe that signing Burnett would preclude the Yankees from going after Teixeira. With $86mn off the books, AJ+C.C.+Tex would be only $60-65mn, which leaves $20mn+ for raises and contract escalations.

If an unnamed Yankee official states it’s Burnett or Tex, that’s either a bogus quote or one designed to mislead.

Instead, I think the issue with Tex is more along the lines of signing him this year or another offensive player next year (e.g., Matt Holliday).

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83207 ms october Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:14:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83207 sorry to repeat some of what you answered in 14 william, but i took forver to submit sorry to repeat some of what you answered in 14 william, but i took forver to submit

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83206 ms october Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:13:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83206 i agree with your basic premise william and as i stated in comment 11, it is pretty apparent that the yanks don't want to go in the season with someone with innings limits and perhaps injury questions in joba plus one of the trio i mentioned. but again, i will go back to why 5 years from burnett. as sonyahennystutu wrote in 13, is sheets that much more a risk? maybe, as it seems there are concerns over the medical records. as william stated, and i agree with this too, it comes down to a money issue - but that seems to have another impact. some conventional wisdom seems to think that becuase of the large contracts being given to pitchers, that is precluding financial capability of getting much needed offense. is aj burnett (or whomever) worth a deal if his contract keeps the team from signing dunn or manny or someone like crawford next year (i omit tex and holliday becuase they will be so much more expensive)? i agree with your basic premise william and as i stated in comment 11, it is pretty apparent that the yanks don’t want to go in the season with someone with innings limits and perhaps injury questions in joba plus one of the trio i mentioned.
but again, i will go back to why 5 years from burnett. as sonyahennystutu wrote in 13, is sheets that much more a risk? maybe, as it seems there are concerns over the medical records.
as william stated, and i agree with this too, it comes down to a money issue – but that seems to have another impact. some conventional wisdom seems to think that becuase of the large contracts being given to pitchers, that is precluding financial capability of getting much needed offense.
is aj burnett (or whomever) worth a deal if his contract keeps the team from signing dunn or manny or someone like crawford next year (i omit tex and holliday becuase they will be so much more expensive)?

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83205 williamnyy23 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:11:19 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83205 [13] Thank you. I actually think the Yankees were leaning toward Sheets until they reviewed his medical records (talk of AJ died down and then picked up before and after that event). Also, Girardi had a quote that indicated to me that Sheets may be dealing with a lingering injury that he was planning on pitching through (the quote was something like "he was very honest about his body"). Based on those assumptions, I think the Yankees look at Burnett as someone who could miss 10-15 starts in a season, but Sheets as someone who could miss an entire season. [13] Thank you. I actually think the Yankees were leaning toward Sheets until they reviewed his medical records (talk of AJ died down and then picked up before and after that event). Also, Girardi had a quote that indicated to me that Sheets may be dealing with a lingering injury that he was planning on pitching through (the quote was something like “he was very honest about his body”). Based on those assumptions, I think the Yankees look at Burnett as someone who could miss 10-15 starts in a season, but Sheets as someone who could miss an entire season.

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83204 sonyahennystutu Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:53:17 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83204 As always William nice analysis [12] and I agree. I wonder though - between Sheets and AJ, which is the bigger risk for the bigger potential reward? Unless those rumors of red flags on Sheets' medical records are true, it seems like AJ for 5 years is a bigger risk than Sheets for 2 or 3, especially since it seems Sheets can be had for equal or less $ per year. As always William nice analysis [12] and I agree. I wonder though – between Sheets and AJ, which is the bigger risk for the bigger potential reward? Unless those rumors of red flags on Sheets’ medical records are true, it seems like AJ for 5 years is a bigger risk than Sheets for 2 or 3, especially since it seems Sheets can be had for equal or less $ per year.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83203 williamnyy23 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:48:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83203 [9] A lot of people still really like Phil Hughes. I wouldn't even think of giving up on him just yet. I think (hopefully) he still figures prominently in the Yankees long-term plans. Like or not, the absolutely minimum deal for a quality pitcher is probably three years, but four is now pretty standard (I could cite dozens of example of pitchers not even as good as AJ who have signed four year deals). Regardless of what you think about Burnett, I definitely don't think you can simply pencil in 2 youngsters. For starters, Joba and Hughes, whom I think will both eventually be in the rotation, have significant innings limits. At best, I don't think you can think of them as more than one starter. Ideally, if the Yankees sign Pettitte, his departure next season would open up the second slot for what hopefully will be the eventual progression of Joba and Phil. Because Wang and C.C. are the mainstays for at least three seasons, all scenarios require a 4th pitcher. Basically, I think it makes sense for that slot to be a high risk/reward guy like Burnett because: (1) If he stays healthy, he could be very effective; (2) if he gets hurt, the worst case is you wind up with Aceves/IPK in the rotation, which is no worse than going with that arrangement from the outset. Basically, it comes down to a money issue. Obviously, it would hurt to waste $17mn per seasons, but those are the risks you take when you are trying to be more than just a contender. [9] A lot of people still really like Phil Hughes. I wouldn’t even think of giving up on him just yet. I think (hopefully) he still figures prominently in the Yankees long-term plans.

Like or not, the absolutely minimum deal for a quality pitcher is probably three years, but four is now pretty standard (I could cite dozens of example of pitchers not even as good as AJ who have signed four year deals).

Regardless of what you think about Burnett, I definitely don’t think you can simply pencil in 2 youngsters. For starters, Joba and Hughes, whom I think will both eventually be in the rotation, have significant innings limits. At best, I don’t think you can think of them as more than one starter. Ideally, if the Yankees sign Pettitte, his departure next season would open up the second slot for what hopefully will be the eventual progression of Joba and Phil. Because Wang and C.C. are the mainstays for at least three seasons, all scenarios require a 4th pitcher. Basically, I think it makes sense for that slot to be a high risk/reward guy like Burnett because: (1) If he stays healthy, he could be very effective; (2) if he gets hurt, the worst case is you wind up with Aceves/IPK in the rotation, which is no worse than going with that arrangement from the outset.

Basically, it comes down to a money issue. Obviously, it would hurt to waste $17mn per seasons, but those are the risks you take when you are trying to be more than just a contender.

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83202 ms october Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:07:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83202 i agree whith your overall take shaun, especially on the attempts to lower phil's value, but now that the yanks got cc - they don't have to sign someone like lowe or burnett to a long term deal. but it seems they pretty clearly do not want to start the year with any of hughes, aceves, or kennedy in the rotation - which seems to be the motivating force to get either burnett or lowe, which i guess comes back to your point that the long term deals is what the standard is. i guess i just can't get over 5 years for burnett. most reports have atl at 4 yrs - if the yanks really want him they could also go 4 but with more money. i agree whith your overall take shaun, especially on the attempts to lower phil’s value, but now that the yanks got cc – they don’t have to sign someone like lowe or burnett to a long term deal.
but it seems they pretty clearly do not want to start the year with any of hughes, aceves, or kennedy in the rotation – which seems to be the motivating force to get either burnett or lowe, which i guess comes back to your point that the long term deals is what the standard is.
i guess i just can’t get over 5 years for burnett.
most reports have atl at 4 yrs – if the yanks really want him they could also go 4 but with more money.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/12/news-of-the-day-121208/comment-page-1/#comment-83201 Shaun P. Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:36:31 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=5726#comment-83201 [9] Long-term deals for free agent pitchers are just the cost of doing business, unless you have a guy coming off an injury of some type (i.e., Jon Lieber way back when). Perrotto's remark suggests to me that other teams, many of which have long coveted Hughes, are spreading those kinds of remarks around to drive his value down, and thus make him more easily obtainable. He was all of 22 last year, and he sucked in his 34 innings in the majors (SMALL SAMPLE SIZE). But in his time in the minors, he's given up all of 8 home runs in 310 innings, struck out more than a batter per inning (348), and has a K:BB of almost 5:1 (77 walks). 3rd or 4th starter my ass. Fortunately Cash isn't stupid. The quotes Joel Sherman got were the most interesting to me, because the bullpen philosophy has certainly been to get guys who get Ks. [9] Long-term deals for free agent pitchers are just the cost of doing business, unless you have a guy coming off an injury of some type (i.e., Jon Lieber way back when).

Perrotto’s remark suggests to me that other teams, many of which have long coveted Hughes, are spreading those kinds of remarks around to drive his value down, and thus make him more easily obtainable. He was all of 22 last year, and he sucked in his 34 innings in the majors (SMALL SAMPLE SIZE). But in his time in the minors, he’s given up all of 8 home runs in 310 innings, struck out more than a batter per inning (348), and has a K:BB of almost 5:1 (77 walks). 3rd or 4th starter my ass. Fortunately Cash isn’t stupid.

The quotes Joel Sherman got were the most interesting to me, because the bullpen philosophy has certainly been to get guys who get Ks.

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