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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/15/news-of-the-day-121508/#comment-65604</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://njmg.typepad.com/yankeesblog/2008/12/andys-choice.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Caldera&lt;/a&gt; the Yankees are having second thoughts about the Cameron trade:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Mike Cameron-Melky Cabrera trade is still in the air. &quot;Wejust don&#039;t know if we want to do it,&#039;&#039; one club official said. Cameron&#039;s high strikeout totals are cause for pause. So, too, apparently, is the Kei Igawa portion of this trade - as in how much of the lefty&#039;s salary the Yanks would have to cover if he were included.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://njmg.typepad.com/yankeesblog/2008/12/andys-choice.html" rel="nofollow">Caldera</a> the Yankees are having second thoughts about the Cameron trade:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Mike Cameron-Melky Cabrera trade is still in the air. &#8220;Wejust don&#8217;t know if we want to do it,&#8221; one club official said. Cameron&#8217;s high strikeout totals are cause for pause. So, too, apparently, is the Kei Igawa portion of this trade &#8211; as in how much of the lefty&#8217;s salary the Yanks would have to cover if he were included.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, the Padres aren&#039;t the first team to do it, nor will they be the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, the Padres aren&#8217;t the first team to do it, nor will they be the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about the Padres, what a disgrace..trading your Cy-winning ace is just pitiful. 
Am I the only one who will miss the Melk-man??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about the Padres, what a disgrace..trading your Cy-winning ace is just pitiful.<br />
Am I the only one who will miss the Melk-man??</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18]  &lt;b&gt;There’s NO WAY IN HELL any GM in their right mind would make that trade to the Yanks!&lt;/b&gt;

If you think about it, it&#039;s a bit of relief for the Brewers, and they pick up a CF coming off an off year.  Igawa supposedly will do better in the NL, and is locked in for 3 more years at $4M per.  It&#039;s a shrewd pickup/gamble for the Brewers if the deal goes through.  Yanks get a stopgap solution in CF.

It&#039;s win win for both teams, and seeing that the teams are pretty close to making a deal, haggling over $$, you may get your wish.  Don&#039;t know if he&#039;d take you up on your offer, tho&#039; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18]  <b>There’s NO WAY IN HELL any GM in their right mind would make that trade to the Yanks!</b></p>
<p>If you think about it, it&#8217;s a bit of relief for the Brewers, and they pick up a CF coming off an off year.  Igawa supposedly will do better in the NL, and is locked in for 3 more years at $4M per.  It&#8217;s a shrewd pickup/gamble for the Brewers if the deal goes through.  Yanks get a stopgap solution in CF.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s win win for both teams, and seeing that the teams are pretty close to making a deal, haggling over $$, you may get your wish.  Don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;d take you up on your offer, tho&#8217; <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron for Melky and Igawa sounds like one of those trade scenarios that make people say &quot;WTF are Yankee fans thinking?!?  There&#039;s NO WAY IN HELL any GM in their right mind would make that trade to the Yanks!&quot;  i.e. we have an over inflated sense of the market value of our peeps.

If Cash makes this deal I will offer to blow him.  Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron for Melky and Igawa sounds like one of those trade scenarios that make people say &#8220;WTF are Yankee fans thinking?!?  There&#8217;s NO WAY IN HELL any GM in their right mind would make that trade to the Yanks!&#8221;  i.e. we have an over inflated sense of the market value of our peeps.</p>
<p>If Cash makes this deal I will offer to blow him.  Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ny2ca2dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[15] (crickets) Looks like no one</description>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who would be willing to take on a project in Daniel Cabrera?  The O&#039;s nontendered him.  Think Ty Wigginton can fit in as a supersub?  Or does he think he can start elswhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who would be willing to take on a project in Daniel Cabrera?  The O&#8217;s nontendered him.  Think Ty Wigginton can fit in as a supersub?  Or does he think he can start elswhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[2] Going into this season, how many Giant fans wouldn&#039;t have signed up to be 11-3 at this pint? I know I would have. 

I think the Yankees could have Cameron in season, if necessary. Given how bad he has been against RH pitching over the last two seasons, I wouldn&#039;t make the move now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] Going into this season, how many Giant fans wouldn&#8217;t have signed up to be 11-3 at this pint? I know I would have. </p>
<p>I think the Yankees could have Cameron in season, if necessary. Given how bad he has been against RH pitching over the last two seasons, I wouldn&#8217;t make the move now.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[7] My understanding with fielding metrics is the more, the merrier.  Some of the systems reach different evaluations on different guys, so more data over more time may be a better gauge.

BP&#039;s (still being updated) FRAA says:

Cameron (06-08): 14 (112 Rate2), -3 (101 Rate 2), 1 (103 Rate 2)
Edmonds (06-08): 1 (103 Rate2), 4 (108 Rate2), 1 (106) in SD, -3 (97) in Chicago

I&#039;m not sure how to combine FRAA, seems like just adding it is wrong, but by this, they same almost even.  It is interesting to me that Cameron&#039;s best year in his last three came in 2006, when he was in SD, and that Edmonds numbers in SD are also quite good.  Maybe there&#039;s something about Petco&#039;s big outfield giving fielders a boost in their numbers with FRAA and Rate2?

Anyone know what Dewan&#039;s +/- says about these two?

Another thing to consider: while Edmonds is a lefty who hits righties well (.883 OPS in &#039;08, .954 career), he &lt;b&gt;cannot&lt;/b&gt; hit LHP (nor did Sweet Lou let him.)  Meanwhile, Cameron is a righty who hits RHP only so-so (.761 OPS in &#039;08, .767 career).  , though he hits LHP well (.951 OPS in &#039;08, .851 career).  I guess who is the better fit from a hitting standpoint depends on how Girardi uses the roster (ie, who&#039;s the backup CF - Damon, Swisher). 
or Gardner),</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[7] My understanding with fielding metrics is the more, the merrier.  Some of the systems reach different evaluations on different guys, so more data over more time may be a better gauge.</p>
<p>BP&#8217;s (still being updated) FRAA says:</p>
<p>Cameron (06-08): 14 (112 Rate2), -3 (101 Rate 2), 1 (103 Rate 2)<br />
Edmonds (06-08): 1 (103 Rate2), 4 (108 Rate2), 1 (106) in SD, -3 (97) in Chicago</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how to combine FRAA, seems like just adding it is wrong, but by this, they same almost even.  It is interesting to me that Cameron&#8217;s best year in his last three came in 2006, when he was in SD, and that Edmonds numbers in SD are also quite good.  Maybe there&#8217;s something about Petco&#8217;s big outfield giving fielders a boost in their numbers with FRAA and Rate2?</p>
<p>Anyone know what Dewan&#8217;s +/- says about these two?</p>
<p>Another thing to consider: while Edmonds is a lefty who hits righties well (.883 OPS in &#8217;08, .954 career), he <b>cannot</b> hit LHP (nor did Sweet Lou let him.)  Meanwhile, Cameron is a righty who hits RHP only so-so (.761 OPS in &#8217;08, .767 career).  , though he hits LHP well (.951 OPS in &#8217;08, .851 career).  I guess who is the better fit from a hitting standpoint depends on how Girardi uses the roster (ie, who&#8217;s the backup CF &#8211; Damon, Swisher).<br />
or Gardner),</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sentiments exactly re: Kornheiser. What a tool!! I was like, &quot;Enough already!!!&quot; He rivals Joe Morgan on the please- get- him -off -the- air list. 

Olbermann and Costas are amusing (in pre and post games).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sentiments exactly re: Kornheiser. What a tool!! I was like, &#8220;Enough already!!!&#8221; He rivals Joe Morgan on the please- get- him -off -the- air list. </p>
<p>Olbermann and Costas are amusing (in pre and post games).</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[10]

Tony Kornheiser in the booth ruins every Monday ...</description>
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<p>Tony Kornheiser in the booth ruins every Monday &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron has a lot of upside. Good defense. We deperately need his bat, any bat, especially his 24 homeruns. I know he&#039;s no spring chicken. And wouldn&#039;t it be nice to never hear the name Kei Igawa again.  

The Giants ruined my Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron has a lot of upside. Good defense. We deperately need his bat, any bat, especially his 24 homeruns. I know he&#8217;s no spring chicken. And wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to never hear the name Kei Igawa again.  </p>
<p>The Giants ruined my Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ny2ca2dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8] I learned one thing today, at least</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[8] I learned one thing today, at least</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[5] I wouldn&#039;t even consider clicking on a Richard Justice link.</description>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[2] I would be very wary of Edmonds. Before his Wrigley resurgence, he was awful for San Diego. In total, his OPS+ was still only 2 points higher than Cameron&#039;s. Also, Edmonds UZR in CF last season was a well below average -10.9, so his glove appears in rabid decline. Cameron, meanwhile, has still rated above average.

If the choice is between the two, I think Cameron is a much better choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] I would be very wary of Edmonds. Before his Wrigley resurgence, he was awful for San Diego. In total, his OPS+ was still only 2 points higher than Cameron&#8217;s. Also, Edmonds UZR in CF last season was a well below average -10.9, so his glove appears in rabid decline. Cameron, meanwhile, has still rated above average.</p>
<p>If the choice is between the two, I think Cameron is a much better choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s an interesting take on Dunn, which may or may not have been buried;
http://tinyurl.com/68ottv

“Since he’s not as good a hitter as Manny but has similar struggles in the field, he ranks as a league average player (+2 wins compared to replacement level). You can bet he’ll get paid more than the $10 million or so he’s worth, though.”

As for Cameron, I&#039;d make the deal, if only for the fact that there&#039;s a commitment to him only for next year.  Igawa&#039;s signed for another 3 years.  Melky will be there for at least another 3 years as well (though I think he&#039;s arb eligible next year).  Come to think of it, that may be the reason that the deal hasn&#039;t gone through yet; they&#039;re trying to cut costs, but a combination of Melky &amp; Igawa would be more than they send back in Cameron.

Of course, a question that should be asked is that if they&#039;re getting revenue sharing money and playoff monies, why are they cutting costs, but usually, it&#039;s a bit more complex (the question and answer) than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s an interesting take on Dunn, which may or may not have been buried;<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/68ottv" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/68ottv</a></p>
<p>“Since he’s not as good a hitter as Manny but has similar struggles in the field, he ranks as a league average player (+2 wins compared to replacement level). You can bet he’ll get paid more than the $10 million or so he’s worth, though.”</p>
<p>As for Cameron, I&#8217;d make the deal, if only for the fact that there&#8217;s a commitment to him only for next year.  Igawa&#8217;s signed for another 3 years.  Melky will be there for at least another 3 years as well (though I think he&#8217;s arb eligible next year).  Come to think of it, that may be the reason that the deal hasn&#8217;t gone through yet; they&#8217;re trying to cut costs, but a combination of Melky &amp; Igawa would be more than they send back in Cameron.</p>
<p>Of course, a question that should be asked is that if they&#8217;re getting revenue sharing money and playoff monies, why are they cutting costs, but usually, it&#8217;s a bit more complex (the question and answer) than that.</p>
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		<title>By: ms october</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms october</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, at the very least all the yankee haters are back in full effect.

if the yanks sign manny or dunn, the idea of trading nady might actually work.  is he really in the long term plans? if boras has outlandish contract demands for him next year, the yanks money is better spent elsewhere next year, and selling high on him this year for a decent prospect might make sense.  and nady is not really that young (30).

i just looked up at cots to make sure nady was a boras client and they already have sabathia and burnett on the yanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, at the very least all the yankee haters are back in full effect.</p>
<p>if the yanks sign manny or dunn, the idea of trading nady might actually work.  is he really in the long term plans? if boras has outlandish contract demands for him next year, the yanks money is better spent elsewhere next year, and selling high on him this year for a decent prospect might make sense.  and nady is not really that young (30).</p>
<p>i just looked up at cots to make sure nady was a boras client and they already have sabathia and burnett on the yanks.</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do guys like Richard Justice keep a job.  What a worthless piece of drivel.

Oh by the way, has Dunn been signed yet?  Getting Dunn would be seriously good - put him at 1B, Swish to RF (Nady traded for prospects) then either let Gardner/Cameron/Edmonds play CF.  I like Tex as much as most, but $200 mil &amp; almost 10 years seems to be pushing it for a guy who&#039;s really not in the same class as ARod or Beltran, and doesn&#039;t play a prime position. I was all for him when those contract demands seemed nuts, but now they&#039;re looking accurate (what with that Angles already being at $180MM).  Hell, Pujols will be a FA in 3 years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do guys like Richard Justice keep a job.  What a worthless piece of drivel.</p>
<p>Oh by the way, has Dunn been signed yet?  Getting Dunn would be seriously good &#8211; put him at 1B, Swish to RF (Nady traded for prospects) then either let Gardner/Cameron/Edmonds play CF.  I like Tex as much as most, but $200 mil &amp; almost 10 years seems to be pushing it for a guy who&#8217;s really not in the same class as ARod or Beltran, and doesn&#8217;t play a prime position. I was all for him when those contract demands seemed nuts, but now they&#8217;re looking accurate (what with that Angles already being at $180MM).  Hell, Pujols will be a FA in 3 years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] I&#039;m with you, rbj.  Stupid Cowboys.

Melky and Igawa for Cameron?  Dare we hope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] I&#8217;m with you, rbj.  Stupid Cowboys.</p>
<p>Melky and Igawa for Cameron?  Dare we hope?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/15/news-of-the-day-121508/#comment-65585</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kei Igawa...BE GONE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kei Igawa&#8230;BE GONE</p>
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