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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[41] I agree. The only condition precedent would be ensuring that their values are relatively high, so you would probably want to wait on Kennedy and hope he pitches well at SWB. I would also like to keep Brackman, if possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[41] I agree. The only condition precedent would be ensuring that their values are relatively high, so you would probably want to wait on Kennedy and hope he pitches well at SWB. I would also like to keep Brackman, if possible.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[37] Everyone keeps talking about how deep the Yankees are in pitching prospects, so perhaps it&#039;s time to start trading them for offensive players. The Rangers turned Edinson Volquez into Josh Hamilton, so why shouldn&#039;t the Yankees look to do the same? If the Yankees really do have a ton of arms, they should be able to swing a deal without even touching Hughes and Joba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[37] Everyone keeps talking about how deep the Yankees are in pitching prospects, so perhaps it&#8217;s time to start trading them for offensive players. The Rangers turned Edinson Volquez into Josh Hamilton, so why shouldn&#8217;t the Yankees look to do the same? If the Yankees really do have a ton of arms, they should be able to swing a deal without even touching Hughes and Joba.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[22] Right...you said you didn&#039;t want to make the equation, but then you went ahead and did it anyway. Otherwise, there would have been no reason to relate the Pudge/Piazza analogy because defense is paramount behind the plate. Unless you were just throwing that out there as an interesting comment on its own merits, which certainly doesn&#039;t seem to be the implication, it definitely appears as if you were drawing a parallel between the defensive value of Pudge and Tex.

I think those making such stark comments about Manny need to brush up on their Yankee history, unless they also want to label guys like Ruth, Mantle, Reggie, Nettles, etc. as manipulative scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[22] Right&#8230;you said you didn&#8217;t want to make the equation, but then you went ahead and did it anyway. Otherwise, there would have been no reason to relate the Pudge/Piazza analogy because defense is paramount behind the plate. Unless you were just throwing that out there as an interesting comment on its own merits, which certainly doesn&#8217;t seem to be the implication, it definitely appears as if you were drawing a parallel between the defensive value of Pudge and Tex.</p>
<p>I think those making such stark comments about Manny need to brush up on their Yankee history, unless they also want to label guys like Ruth, Mantle, Reggie, Nettles, etc. as manipulative scum.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Posada will have to DH given that his range at 1B will likely be bad as he approaches 40, and Jeter would be better off in the OF because his SLG would make him suboptimal as a 1Bman.

Of course, that&#039;s why according to several beat writers, Cash was opposed to giving Posada four years. How the Yankees handle Jeter&#039;s contractual situation in two years should be kind of revealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Posada will have to DH given that his range at 1B will likely be bad as he approaches 40, and Jeter would be better off in the OF because his SLG would make him suboptimal as a 1Bman.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s why according to several beat writers, Cash was opposed to giving Posada four years. How the Yankees handle Jeter&#8217;s contractual situation in two years should be kind of revealing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] I forgot about this aspect. They more or less are gonna need 1st base open, for Posada then probably Jeter. That Posada contract is going to become a problem but what could they do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] I forgot about this aspect. They more or less are gonna need 1st base open, for Posada then probably Jeter. That Posada contract is going to become a problem but what could they do?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yankee&#039; dilemma is that Holiday is the only top offensive player who will be a FA following the 2009 season (assuming that he doesn&#039;t sign an extension first, and assuming Bay re-signs with Boston), so if they don&#039;t sign Teixeira, replacing their aging position players will probably have to be done by trading their excess starting pitching prospects, given that A-Jack is their only near ML ready position prospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankee&#8217; dilemma is that Holiday is the only top offensive player who will be a FA following the 2009 season (assuming that he doesn&#8217;t sign an extension first, and assuming Bay re-signs with Boston), so if they don&#8217;t sign Teixeira, replacing their aging position players will probably have to be done by trading their excess starting pitching prospects, given that A-Jack is their only near ML ready position prospect.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Jazz, I never said &#039;distraction&#039; though he can be. Many stars are. Alex was a distraction last year, for off-field reasons. That can happen. Nor did I say &#039;cancer&#039; though some Boston players and fans might have. I said he disrespects the sport and his teammates. 

Agreed that Reggie was a huge hot dog (and a distraction, and messed up club chemistry ... though the 70s Yankee winners had LOTS of chemistry issues, starting with Billy, really!)

But not a cancer, not an evil human being. At some risk of having his behavior overshadow his excellence as a batter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Jazz, I never said &#8216;distraction&#8217; though he can be. Many stars are. Alex was a distraction last year, for off-field reasons. That can happen. Nor did I say &#8216;cancer&#8217; though some Boston players and fans might have. I said he disrespects the sport and his teammates. </p>
<p>Agreed that Reggie was a huge hot dog (and a distraction, and messed up club chemistry &#8230; though the 70s Yankee winners had LOTS of chemistry issues, starting with Billy, really!)</p>
<p>But not a cancer, not an evil human being. At some risk of having his behavior overshadow his excellence as a batter.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[32] Well said Hoss. The Kekich-Peterson wife swapping was pretty dramatic news for 1973. Poor Scooter had a hard time discussing it in the booth!

[33] I don&#039;t want to take a &#039;Holier than Thou&#039; stance here, but living in RSN, I&#039;ve watched (on TV) at least 150 Sox games a year throughout Manny&#039;s tenure. And if anything, Hoss understates the blemish on baseball that is Manny. The Sox and Boston media always looked the other way with Manny. When his antics couldn&#039;t be ignored, they just made light of them. Boston was addicted to Manny&#039;s bat, and were not about to rock the boat.

No matter how pissed Francona, the Sox or the media were, ultimately, it was explained as &#039;Manny being Manny&#039;. No benchings. No suspensions. Even knocking over an old man in anger was overlooked.

Gambling on baseball is considered the cardinal sin. This is because of the fear of players &#039;throwing&#039; a game. Ultimately, quitting on your team is the ultimate sin. And Manny did this not once, or twice or thrice, but over and over again over a span of 4 years.

You saw him take 3 strikes from Mo without even taking the bat off his shoulder? This is Manny when he doesn&#039;t get his way. When he wanted a day off, but Francona needed him on the field, Manny got even. Showboating at his HRs, not running out &#039;almost homers&#039;, jogging to first on grounders and DP balls, not running hard trying to field balls hit in the gap... these are his minor indiscretions. But intentionally sitting out games and making outs intentionally is unforgivable.

It&#039;s like funny tragedy. In Manny&#039;s last &#039;injury&#039; he complained of a bad knee, and said he needed to sit out. The Sox were at the end of their rope and uncharacteristically actually ordered Manny to have an MRI on his knee. When they asked him which knee was injured.... he could NOT remember! So they ordered MRIs on BOTH knees. Of course, both knees were fine.

He blackedmailed the Sox, during a penant run, to trade him... by not playing, even with a $20 million contract.

I&#039;ve seen Manny play over 1000 games. I&#039;ve watched pregame, postgame shows and the Boston Media for 8 years. He is actually worse then the MM makes him out.

Manny is not stupid. He may even be a &#039;nice guy&#039;. But he is manipulative scum. He should NEVER be allowed to wear a Yankee uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[32] Well said Hoss. The Kekich-Peterson wife swapping was pretty dramatic news for 1973. Poor Scooter had a hard time discussing it in the booth!</p>
<p>[33] I don&#8217;t want to take a &#8216;Holier than Thou&#8217; stance here, but living in RSN, I&#8217;ve watched (on TV) at least 150 Sox games a year throughout Manny&#8217;s tenure. And if anything, Hoss understates the blemish on baseball that is Manny. The Sox and Boston media always looked the other way with Manny. When his antics couldn&#8217;t be ignored, they just made light of them. Boston was addicted to Manny&#8217;s bat, and were not about to rock the boat.</p>
<p>No matter how pissed Francona, the Sox or the media were, ultimately, it was explained as &#8216;Manny being Manny&#8217;. No benchings. No suspensions. Even knocking over an old man in anger was overlooked.</p>
<p>Gambling on baseball is considered the cardinal sin. This is because of the fear of players &#8216;throwing&#8217; a game. Ultimately, quitting on your team is the ultimate sin. And Manny did this not once, or twice or thrice, but over and over again over a span of 4 years.</p>
<p>You saw him take 3 strikes from Mo without even taking the bat off his shoulder? This is Manny when he doesn&#8217;t get his way. When he wanted a day off, but Francona needed him on the field, Manny got even. Showboating at his HRs, not running out &#8216;almost homers&#8217;, jogging to first on grounders and DP balls, not running hard trying to field balls hit in the gap&#8230; these are his minor indiscretions. But intentionally sitting out games and making outs intentionally is unforgivable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like funny tragedy. In Manny&#8217;s last &#8216;injury&#8217; he complained of a bad knee, and said he needed to sit out. The Sox were at the end of their rope and uncharacteristically actually ordered Manny to have an MRI on his knee. When they asked him which knee was injured&#8230;. he could NOT remember! So they ordered MRIs on BOTH knees. Of course, both knees were fine.</p>
<p>He blackedmailed the Sox, during a penant run, to trade him&#8230; by not playing, even with a $20 million contract.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Manny play over 1000 games. I&#8217;ve watched pregame, postgame shows and the Boston Media for 8 years. He is actually worse then the MM makes him out.</p>
<p>Manny is not stupid. He may even be a &#8216;nice guy&#8217;. But he is manipulative scum. He should NEVER be allowed to wear a Yankee uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy HCE, thanks for the reply. Sorry I was unclear above, I was trying to be sarcastic about the whole &quot;chracter&quot; thing. Got to disagree with you about Manny&#039;s &quot;on field&quot; distractionability...look at his actual stats over his last two months with Boston..if that is a distraction, well...it sure beats the Melkman or Nady...Manny isn&#039;t the first hotdog in MLb history (and what was Reggie if not a hotdog??) I still prefer Adam Dunn..but Manny is not the cancer he&#039;s been portrayed as...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy HCE, thanks for the reply. Sorry I was unclear above, I was trying to be sarcastic about the whole &#8220;chracter&#8221; thing. Got to disagree with you about Manny&#8217;s &#8220;on field&#8221; distractionability&#8230;look at his actual stats over his last two months with Boston..if that is a distraction, well&#8230;it sure beats the Melkman or Nady&#8230;Manny isn&#8217;t the first hotdog in MLb history (and what was Reggie if not a hotdog??) I still prefer Adam Dunn..but Manny is not the cancer he&#8217;s been portrayed as&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Jazz, it is a fair question and I&#039;ll try for my answer. Boggs and Damon are non-entries in the &#039;bad guy&#039; category and in fact Damon has been an exemplary teammate, in clubhouse and on field. Never took a day off until utterly forced to. Off-field adultery? A baseball player? Oh my stars and bars! Carve a scarlet letter on him. Boggs was actually a tough acceptance for some, but only because of a BoSox history, and same for Roger (though an element of sticking it to Boston kicked in). As for &#039;Romeo&#039; ... see oh my stars and bars, above. Sheffield was a hard case, still is, and did wear out his welcome. Played hard too. Clemens ditto. Fans are fairly tolerant of off-field escapades, short of illegality. Remember the Yankees are the team of the wife-swapping story (OYF will remember it, too ... Kekich and Peterson).

Manny, since you asked, is an ON-field diminisher of the sport and his team, if he doesn&#039;t FEEL like playing. He quits, he sulks, he gets pseudo-injured, his feelings are hurt to much to run all the way to first. He just LOVES watching long doubles from the batter&#039;s box.

Whatever anyone might want to say about, for example, Alex Rodriguez, he shows up 150+ games a year unless seriously hurt, he changed positions to become a Yankee (some say a mistake for the club, yup), and you will never see him dog it. Period. 

Can ManRam hit a baseball? Brilliantly. And I expect him to be a first ballot HoFer, given the serious bad apples and mediocrities in the Hall. I just have no desire to see him in pinstripes, and find myself actually having to HOPE he gets a hit.

One more thing ... the BoSox are good at maligning a guy they want to dump, using the media to shift public perception. They didn&#039;t HAVE to do it with Manny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Jazz, it is a fair question and I&#8217;ll try for my answer. Boggs and Damon are non-entries in the &#8216;bad guy&#8217; category and in fact Damon has been an exemplary teammate, in clubhouse and on field. Never took a day off until utterly forced to. Off-field adultery? A baseball player? Oh my stars and bars! Carve a scarlet letter on him. Boggs was actually a tough acceptance for some, but only because of a BoSox history, and same for Roger (though an element of sticking it to Boston kicked in). As for &#8216;Romeo&#8217; &#8230; see oh my stars and bars, above. Sheffield was a hard case, still is, and did wear out his welcome. Played hard too. Clemens ditto. Fans are fairly tolerant of off-field escapades, short of illegality. Remember the Yankees are the team of the wife-swapping story (OYF will remember it, too &#8230; Kekich and Peterson).</p>
<p>Manny, since you asked, is an ON-field diminisher of the sport and his team, if he doesn&#8217;t FEEL like playing. He quits, he sulks, he gets pseudo-injured, his feelings are hurt to much to run all the way to first. He just LOVES watching long doubles from the batter&#8217;s box.</p>
<p>Whatever anyone might want to say about, for example, Alex Rodriguez, he shows up 150+ games a year unless seriously hurt, he changed positions to become a Yankee (some say a mistake for the club, yup), and you will never see him dog it. Period. </p>
<p>Can ManRam hit a baseball? Brilliantly. And I expect him to be a first ballot HoFer, given the serious bad apples and mediocrities in the Hall. I just have no desire to see him in pinstripes, and find myself actually having to HOPE he gets a hit.</p>
<p>One more thing &#8230; the BoSox are good at maligning a guy they want to dump, using the media to shift public perception. They didn&#8217;t HAVE to do it with Manny.</p>
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