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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/17/news-of-the-day-121708/comment-page-1/#comment-83501</link>
		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are going to discard Manny for pushing the traveling secretary, you had better be prepared to disown some pretty big figures in Yankee history. Once again, the Babe himself would fail miserably under that same scrutiny.

I, for one at least, am not going to buy into the Gammons-led Red Sox party line and believe that Manny is the root of all evil. If two games and one incident erase all that he done on the field, then I think we need to reevaluate our puritanical view, or clean out the closets of the many players already in uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to discard Manny for pushing the traveling secretary, you had better be prepared to disown some pretty big figures in Yankee history. Once again, the Babe himself would fail miserably under that same scrutiny.</p>
<p>I, for one at least, am not going to buy into the Gammons-led Red Sox party line and believe that Manny is the root of all evil. If two games and one incident erase all that he done on the field, then I think we need to reevaluate our puritanical view, or clean out the closets of the many players already in uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Phils may take Lowell off the Red Sox&#039;s hands...

I must try that bacon roll.  That is awesome on so many different levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phils may take Lowell off the Red Sox&#8217;s hands&#8230;</p>
<p>I must try that bacon roll.  That is awesome on so many different levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Dunn is that he&#039;s more of the same. Below par defense. I wouldn&#039;t underestimate run prevention. Plus, with Tex you get both, strong offense and stellar defense. This reminds me of the year Beltran went to the Mets. I couldn&#039;t understand what was holding the Yankees back. Seemed like a no-brainer to me. Switch hitting, young, top shelf defense.

Aaagghhhhhhh!!! As Charlie Brown would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Dunn is that he&#8217;s more of the same. Below par defense. I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate run prevention. Plus, with Tex you get both, strong offense and stellar defense. This reminds me of the year Beltran went to the Mets. I couldn&#8217;t understand what was holding the Yankees back. Seemed like a no-brainer to me. Switch hitting, young, top shelf defense.</p>
<p>Aaagghhhhhhh!!! As Charlie Brown would say.</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ny2ca2dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think aside from contractual issues, the biggest benefit to Dunn, compared to both Tex and Manny, is positional flexibility.  He can play 1B and the OF corners, while Manny is a DH and Tex planted at 1B.  Obviously, Tex is a great 1B, and Dunn is a poor fielder at all his slots - but he&#039;s not Giambi/Abreu bad.  He would allow you to stick him at first and play Swisher or Damon in center (with the other one in left), or Swish in right (if Nady is traded), and when Matsui is gone Dunn could even just go to DH.  

I was all for Tex for 6 or 7 years at 20mm per, but at 9 or 10 it&#039;s time to move on.  Just because the Yanks have lately done a terrible job filling the slot doesn&#039;t mean 1B is all of a sudden a hard position to fill.  Plenty of FA 1B guys will hit the market in the next 6 years, guys like Pujols, Howard, Prince, etc.  

Besides all that though, Nady should really be on the trading block right now, I want a replacement for Tabata in the farm system!  I think a market for him would develop before the FAs settle, as he&#039;s so much cheaper.  The tier of teams who can&#039;t pay for Dunn, Tex, Manny, etc should look at Nady as a solid option.  Hell, maybe trading Nady opens up enough money to get Tex after all, which would leave Swish in RF, then go get Holliday for LF next year.  Swish&#039;s flexibility means signing Tex gives you a medium term OF asset, of which we have none if Swish is the 1B.

I guess that&#039;s all to say there is really no excuse to not add one big time hitter.  there are just so many ways to go, at plenty of price points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think aside from contractual issues, the biggest benefit to Dunn, compared to both Tex and Manny, is positional flexibility.  He can play 1B and the OF corners, while Manny is a DH and Tex planted at 1B.  Obviously, Tex is a great 1B, and Dunn is a poor fielder at all his slots &#8211; but he&#8217;s not Giambi/Abreu bad.  He would allow you to stick him at first and play Swisher or Damon in center (with the other one in left), or Swish in right (if Nady is traded), and when Matsui is gone Dunn could even just go to DH.  </p>
<p>I was all for Tex for 6 or 7 years at 20mm per, but at 9 or 10 it&#8217;s time to move on.  Just because the Yanks have lately done a terrible job filling the slot doesn&#8217;t mean 1B is all of a sudden a hard position to fill.  Plenty of FA 1B guys will hit the market in the next 6 years, guys like Pujols, Howard, Prince, etc.  </p>
<p>Besides all that though, Nady should really be on the trading block right now, I want a replacement for Tabata in the farm system!  I think a market for him would develop before the FAs settle, as he&#8217;s so much cheaper.  The tier of teams who can&#8217;t pay for Dunn, Tex, Manny, etc should look at Nady as a solid option.  Hell, maybe trading Nady opens up enough money to get Tex after all, which would leave Swish in RF, then go get Holliday for LF next year.  Swish&#8217;s flexibility means signing Tex gives you a medium term OF asset, of which we have none if Swish is the 1B.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s all to say there is really no excuse to not add one big time hitter.  there are just so many ways to go, at plenty of price points.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[19] Not to mention in regard to OPS, you&#039;re losing two guys with significant OPS factor from that lineup.  Comparing last year&#039;s OPS is a moot issue at best; we&#039;re completely ignoring what it&#039;s been replaced with so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[19] Not to mention in regard to OPS, you&#8217;re losing two guys with significant OPS factor from that lineup.  Comparing last year&#8217;s OPS is a moot issue at best; we&#8217;re completely ignoring what it&#8217;s been replaced with so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[19] The Yanks were not 3rd in OPS in MLB last year.  They were 5th in the AL, 9th in MLB if I&#039;m adding properly.

IIRC, Rob Neyer said they were 3rd in the AL in road OPS in 2008 - obviously a big difference.  Still, its possible that the Yanks offense might be OK next year without any other additions, but I&#039;m skeptical.

I think the forgotten point in all this Manny talk - and the talk about the offense in general - is the Yanks&#039; lack of depth and their over-reliance on guys who, at age 35 or older, are that much more likely to miss games due to injury.  That&#039;s even before you add Manny (going to be 37) into the equation (or Cameron - who will be 36).  Damon, Matsui, Jeter, Posada - all are likely to miss 20 games or more.  The Yanks&#039; options to cover any of those guys, even with a mere replacement-level player, are basically nil.  The reserve OFs are Shelley Duncan and whichever of Melky and Gardner isn&#039;t in CF.  Even if you consider Swisher a reserve OF, the 1B on the roster are Shelley again and Juan Miranda.  I guess Ransom could cover 1B too - but then the Yanks have no reserve 2B or SS or 3B!

Why add to that problem by signing a 37-year-old with a recent history of knee and leg issues (Manny) - or worse, trading for a 36-year-old CF?  (Though at least Gardner might be an OK cover in CF for a couple of weeks if Cameron got hurt, or in LF for Damon.)

Youth is not a panacea, but context is important here.  I&#039;d much rather the Yanks take a chance on Dunn - or somehow sign Tex - if only because either of those guys is far more likely to play 160 games next year than Manny is.

We&#039;ve already seen what happens when Posada and Matsui miss significant amounts of time.  Do we really want to see that again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[19] The Yanks were not 3rd in OPS in MLB last year.  They were 5th in the AL, 9th in MLB if I&#8217;m adding properly.</p>
<p>IIRC, Rob Neyer said they were 3rd in the AL in road OPS in 2008 &#8211; obviously a big difference.  Still, its possible that the Yanks offense might be OK next year without any other additions, but I&#8217;m skeptical.</p>
<p>I think the forgotten point in all this Manny talk &#8211; and the talk about the offense in general &#8211; is the Yanks&#8217; lack of depth and their over-reliance on guys who, at age 35 or older, are that much more likely to miss games due to injury.  That&#8217;s even before you add Manny (going to be 37) into the equation (or Cameron &#8211; who will be 36).  Damon, Matsui, Jeter, Posada &#8211; all are likely to miss 20 games or more.  The Yanks&#8217; options to cover any of those guys, even with a mere replacement-level player, are basically nil.  The reserve OFs are Shelley Duncan and whichever of Melky and Gardner isn&#8217;t in CF.  Even if you consider Swisher a reserve OF, the 1B on the roster are Shelley again and Juan Miranda.  I guess Ransom could cover 1B too &#8211; but then the Yanks have no reserve 2B or SS or 3B!</p>
<p>Why add to that problem by signing a 37-year-old with a recent history of knee and leg issues (Manny) &#8211; or worse, trading for a 36-year-old CF?  (Though at least Gardner might be an OK cover in CF for a couple of weeks if Cameron got hurt, or in LF for Damon.)</p>
<p>Youth is not a panacea, but context is important here.  I&#8217;d much rather the Yanks take a chance on Dunn &#8211; or somehow sign Tex &#8211; if only because either of those guys is far more likely to play 160 games next year than Manny is.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already seen what happens when Posada and Matsui miss significant amounts of time.  Do we really want to see that again?</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they decide to go hunting for a real 1B next season, the potential 1B choices in the 2010 free agent class don&#039;t look too appealing:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they decide to go hunting for a real 1B next season, the potential 1B choices in the 2010 free agent class don&#8217;t look too appealing:<br />
<a href="http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html" rel="nofollow">http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yanks have basically had a total of THREE first baseman over the last 24 seasons:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/opening.shtml
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/vuhQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yanks have basically had a total of THREE first baseman over the last 24 seasons:<br />
<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/opening.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/opening.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/vuhQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/vuhQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Diane. I think Tex would give us a decent return on investment and would protect Alex in the line-up as well. Is Manny as scary at bat? Yes. Manny is a savant type. He has a mastery which is one in a million. Off the field, he is an eccentric, not of this universe. It&#039;s hard not to salivate on some level. The other side is that he doesn&#039;t care about what teams care about. He just wants to do what he is phenomenal at and get paid as much as possible to do it. 

Tex, on the other hand is a team guy. It has been excruciating watching the Yank&#039;s attempts to fill the hole at 1st. Mantiewicz looked great, but his bat was cold. Giambi&#039;s bat was great, but couldn&#039;t throw a ball in a straight line. I would prefer to see that addressed. Also, with Damon and Matsui, we have a log jam between LH and DH if Manny were there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Diane. I think Tex would give us a decent return on investment and would protect Alex in the line-up as well. Is Manny as scary at bat? Yes. Manny is a savant type. He has a mastery which is one in a million. Off the field, he is an eccentric, not of this universe. It&#8217;s hard not to salivate on some level. The other side is that he doesn&#8217;t care about what teams care about. He just wants to do what he is phenomenal at and get paid as much as possible to do it. </p>
<p>Tex, on the other hand is a team guy. It has been excruciating watching the Yank&#8217;s attempts to fill the hole at 1st. Mantiewicz looked great, but his bat was cold. Giambi&#8217;s bat was great, but couldn&#8217;t throw a ball in a straight line. I would prefer to see that addressed. Also, with Damon and Matsui, we have a log jam between LH and DH if Manny were there.</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[22] On the other hand, part of what Cashman&#039;s stated (at least) plan is to have internal options available to replace those aging stars. Part of the benefit of singing Manny to 2-3 years instead of Tex to 9 is that ideally in 2-3 years you have a replacement. Of course, that might not happen, but then its the Yankees own damn fault. That would allow for the win now and win in the future as well approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[22] On the other hand, part of what Cashman&#8217;s stated (at least) plan is to have internal options available to replace those aging stars. Part of the benefit of singing Manny to 2-3 years instead of Tex to 9 is that ideally in 2-3 years you have a replacement. Of course, that might not happen, but then its the Yankees own damn fault. That would allow for the win now and win in the future as well approach.</p>
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