Comments on: Observations From Cooperstown–Ankiel, The Veterans Committee, and Robert Prosky http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Thu, 23 May 2013 05:54:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: mikew http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65885 mikew Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:22:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65885 Given that the Yankees have added 2 quality starting pitchers and my belief that they have an ample supply of young pitchers, some of whom will mature into Major League pitchers I would now be willing to offer a young pitcher in a trade. One center fielder who might be available is Vernon Wells. He has a huge salary increase in the near future and the Blue Jays are probably already thinking about moving him. The Jays might be hesitant to upgrade a team within their division but being realistic there are not too many teams that can absorb Wells’ salary. I believe their choices are limited and Kennedy might look like a solution to a hole in their own roster. (Personally I believe Kennedy will be a major league starter but I also believe when the Yankees signed Sabathia and Burnett at least one or two young pitchers became available to be used for trades. And to get quality you also have to give quality back.) By the time Wells’ salary increase occurs the Yankees will have at one and as many as 3 large salaries leaving the team. So a large salary for a quality centerfielder who is still in his prime might not be a problem for the Yankees. Without the salary dump this potential trade heavily favors the Yankees but absorbing the very high cost of Wells’ contract might make the trade viable.) The Yankees would probably have to offer Melky as well and maybe a lower level prospect but if such a deal could actually take place the Yankees would but time for Jackson who may be more than one year away from the majors. And an outfield of Damon in leftfield, Wells in centerfield and Nady in rightfield gives them a pretty decent defensive and offensive outfield. Given that the Yankees have added 2 quality starting pitchers and my belief that they have an ample supply of young pitchers, some of whom will mature into Major League pitchers I would now be willing to offer a young pitcher in a trade. One center fielder who might be available is Vernon Wells. He has a huge salary increase in the near future and the Blue Jays are probably already thinking about moving him.

The Jays might be hesitant to upgrade a team within their division but being realistic there are not too many teams that can absorb Wells’ salary. I believe their choices are limited and Kennedy might look like a solution to a hole in their own roster. (Personally I believe Kennedy will be a major league starter but I also believe when the Yankees signed Sabathia and Burnett at least one or two young pitchers became available to be used for trades. And to get quality you also have to give quality back.)

By the time Wells’ salary increase occurs the Yankees will have at one and as many as 3 large salaries leaving the team. So a large salary for a quality centerfielder who is still in his prime might not be a problem for the Yankees. Without the salary dump this potential trade heavily favors the Yankees but absorbing the very high cost of Wells’ contract might make the trade viable.) The Yankees would probably have to offer Melky as well and maybe a lower level prospect but if such a deal could actually take place the Yankees would but time for Jackson who may be more than one year away from the majors. And an outfield of Damon in leftfield, Wells in centerfield and Nady in rightfield gives them a pretty decent defensive and offensive outfield.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65884 Chyll Will Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:32:33 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65884 [5] Oh I get it, someone asked about the "awaitig moderation" thing. If you post a link, Alex and Co. have to check it for safety first. No problem. It's a Craigslist link in the free section for Free Yankee season tickets to "old" Yankee Stadium in 2009-10. You have to be either a complete moron, completely clueless about the Yankees or a tad greedy for a good deal to fall for something like that as the poster implies, but it's because it's so hard to believe that I think it's a phishing expedition. Craigslist was a good idea gone so bad it needs to be shut down and reorganized. Like the Knicks >;) Oh, and R.I.P. "soul brotha" Dock Ellis - http://tinyurl.com/43qqr9 [5] Oh I get it, someone asked about the “awaitig moderation” thing. If you post a link, Alex and Co. have to check it for safety first. No problem. It’s a Craigslist link in the free section for Free Yankee season tickets to “old” Yankee Stadium in 2009-10. You have to be either a complete moron, completely clueless about the Yankees or a tad greedy for a good deal to fall for something like that as the poster implies, but it’s because it’s so hard to believe that I think it’s a phishing expedition. Craigslist was a good idea gone so bad it needs to be shut down and reorganized. Like the Knicks >;)

Oh, and R.I.P. “soul brotha” Dock Ellis – http://tinyurl.com/43qqr9

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65883 Chyll Will Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:20:43 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65883 Can anyone explain how the hell this happens if you're a Yankee fan? Don't respond to it because I think it's a Spam Scam, but just in case you crawled from under a rock for the first time, here's something you should beware of... http://tinyurl.com/9o9glh Can anyone explain how the hell this happens if you’re a Yankee fan? Don’t respond to it because I think it’s a Spam Scam, but just in case you crawled from under a rock for the first time, here’s something you should beware of…

http://tinyurl.com/9o9glh

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65882 williamnyy23 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:20:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65882 [2] It's reasonable to harken back to the "good old days" of the 1990s dynasty, but doing assumes that dynasty are easy to build. After all, those Yankees teams had homegrown stars at C, SS and CF. Talk about being strong up the middle. It's alot easier to build a team with well rounded players when you have that framework. Also, as [3] notes, the revenue in MLB hasn't just increased since 1996-2000...it has exploded. As a result, more teams have more money to pay super stars top dollars. Finally, if you look at the recent Yankee lineups, many have been very well rounded. Aside from Arod, no one would really qualify as dominant. What set the dynasty teams apart is they had well rounded pitching staffs to complement the offense. Because of some big name free agent signings and player development, it looks like the 2009 Yankees have the chance to approach that once again. [2] It’s reasonable to harken back to the “good old days” of the 1990s dynasty, but doing assumes that dynasty are easy to build. After all, those Yankees teams had homegrown stars at C, SS and CF. Talk about being strong up the middle. It’s alot easier to build a team with well rounded players when you have that framework.

Also, as [3] notes, the revenue in MLB hasn’t just increased since 1996-2000…it has exploded. As a result, more teams have more money to pay super stars top dollars.

Finally, if you look at the recent Yankee lineups, many have been very well rounded. Aside from Arod, no one would really qualify as dominant. What set the dynasty teams apart is they had well rounded pitching staffs to complement the offense. Because of some big name free agent signings and player development, it looks like the 2009 Yankees have the chance to approach that once again.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65881 Chyll Will Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:45:17 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65881 [2] I agree with you essentially, Jump, but I do wonder how easy piecing together a team the way it was done in the 90's can actually be ten years and a whole new business dynamic later. Would the Yanks be able to piece together a mix of vets and youth in the same manner as they did with the 90's given today's superstar economics? Also, how much accountability do we assign to agents and owners if we are going to complain about overpaying? I assume the GM is not solely responsible for making up and signing off on the dollar amounts (though they may recommend a figure...) [2] I agree with you essentially, Jump, but I do wonder how easy piecing together a team the way it was done in the 90′s can actually be ten years and a whole new business dynamic later. Would the Yanks be able to piece together a mix of vets and youth in the same manner as they did with the 90′s given today’s superstar economics? Also, how much accountability do we assign to agents and owners if we are going to complain about overpaying? I assume the GM is not solely responsible for making up and signing off on the dollar amounts (though they may recommend a figure…)

]]> By: Jehosephat http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65880 Jehosephat Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:54:27 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65880 I like your way of thinking Bruce. As I lurk and read these threads day after day, the same drums get beaten, which is fine. What seems to get lost in the discussions, especially as we get farther away from the 90's is that the teams that did well in the postseason weren't chock full of big free agent signings. The difference seems to be that they were more complimentary signings that fit together very well. I wouldn't necessarily call it chemistry, but the Yanks of the latest dynasty were able to put it all together. They weren't big sluggers or hard throwing fireballers or blazing basestealers. As I write this it occurs to me that the guys on those teams were extremely well-rounded as players (at least to me, who listened to most of those games on WCBS and ESPN Radio.). I don't know if anyone can help me out with some statistics to back that up or refute it, but it seems the recent Yankees seem to be a disparate box of shiny parts that are pretty good individually, but can't be put together to make one good working machine. I like your way of thinking Bruce. As I lurk and read these threads day after day, the same drums get beaten, which is fine. What seems to get lost in the discussions, especially as we get farther away from the 90′s is that the teams that did well in the postseason weren’t chock full of big free agent signings. The difference seems to be that they were more complimentary signings that fit together very well. I wouldn’t necessarily call it chemistry, but the Yanks of the latest dynasty were able to put it all together. They weren’t big sluggers or hard throwing fireballers or blazing basestealers. As I write this it occurs to me that the guys on those teams were extremely well-rounded as players (at least to me, who listened to most of those games on WCBS and ESPN Radio.). I don’t know if anyone can help me out with some statistics to back that up or refute it, but it seems the recent Yankees seem to be a disparate box of shiny parts that are pretty good individually, but can’t be put together to make one good working machine.

]]> By: ny2ca2dc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/19/observations-from-cooperstown-ankiel-the-veterans-committee-and-robert-prosky/#comment-65879 ny2ca2dc Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:50:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6181#comment-65879 I'd also love to have Ankiel, but I doubt a Kennedy/Melky/C-prospect gets it done. I realize it's only one year of Ankiel, but the guys STL would be getting are pretty down in value... I’d also love to have Ankiel, but I doubt a Kennedy/Melky/C-prospect gets it done. I realize it’s only one year of Ankiel, but the guys STL would be getting are pretty down in value…

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