Comments on: What’s Wang With This Picture? http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:58:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Pete http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66117 Pete Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:06:27 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66117 I don't see it that way, Cliff — I just think the Yanks are being cheap where they can, considering the money they just laid out this winter. Look at the Pettitte situation - it's 100% obvious he wants to come back, but we lowball him anyway. They'd be nuts to let a guy go who can pitch this well in NY. I don’t see it that way, Cliff — I just think the Yanks are being cheap where they can, considering the money they just laid out this winter. Look at the Pettitte situation – it’s 100% obvious he wants to come back, but we lowball him anyway.

They’d be nuts to let a guy go who can pitch this well in NY.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66116 Dimelo Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:29:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66116 John Heyman is saying Yanks signed Tex for 8 years at 180 million. WOW! John Heyman is saying Yanks signed Tex for 8 years at 180 million. WOW!

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66115 ms october Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:46:51 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66115 i agree with you in [4] cliff - i also think that is the yankees mindet and the burnett signing advanced that thought and i don't think it *should* be the approach - though as bum rush said in [10] i also do understand with the pitching depth and a desire to take a conservative approach why the yanks signed him for just a year. i agree with you in [4] cliff – i also think that is the yankees mindet and the burnett signing advanced that thought and i don’t think it *should* be the approach – though as bum rush said in [10] i also do understand with the pitching depth and a desire to take a conservative approach why the yanks signed him for just a year.

]]> By: Bum Rush http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66114 Bum Rush Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:39:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66114 Sorry, but I think the Yankees' intentions are much easier to discern: They don't want to set a precedent with pitchers given their unique status year-to-year and the depth of the system. For Cano, it could be another five years when they have a similar decision w/r to a prospect position player. With Joba, Hughes, and even IPK it could be a few years sooner when they have the option of buying out a young pitcher through their arbitration years. The fact is, however, during the first six years you just never know what could happen to a pitching prospect. Better to play much more conservative there, and see how they establish themselves, than to commit too soon. For instance, imagine Wang hurts his arm this year. Would saving a few million really matter to the Yankees? Sorry, but I think the Yankees’ intentions are much easier to discern: They don’t want to set a precedent with pitchers given their unique status year-to-year and the depth of the system. For Cano, it could be another five years when they have a similar decision w/r to a prospect position player. With Joba, Hughes, and even IPK it could be a few years sooner when they have the option of buying out a young pitcher through their arbitration years. The fact is, however, during the first six years you just never know what could happen to a pitching prospect. Better to play much more conservative there, and see how they establish themselves, than to commit too soon.

For instance, imagine Wang hurts his arm this year. Would saving a few million really matter to the Yankees?

]]> By: pugzilla http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66113 pugzilla Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:51:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66113 Let's hope that The Wanger is worth every cent of that $5 million; same goes for the Greenback twins! Let’s hope that The Wanger is worth every cent of that $5 million; same goes for the Greenback twins!

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66112 Diane Firstman Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:09:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66112 [7] scratch that .... his comparables are all over the map in terms of decades ... [7]

scratch that …. his comparables are all over the map in terms of decades …

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66111 Diane Firstman Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:08:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66111 CMW is a rare breed ... look at his comparable pitchers ... mostly from the 40s and 50s http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml CMW is a rare breed … look at his comparable pitchers … mostly from the 40s and 50s

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wangch01.shtml

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66110 sonyahennystutu Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:04:28 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66110 [4] I hear that and fair enough :) FOr now I'll admit I'm all kinds of pins and needles on the Tex situation. . . [4] I hear that and fair enough :)

FOr now I’ll admit I’m all kinds of pins and needles on the Tex situation. . .

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66109 The Hawk Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:04:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66109 [4] Ha, I knew that and had a feeling you were going to feel like a shot messenger. I think I can speak for every human being on earth when I say "You're okay, buddy!" [4] Ha, I knew that and had a feeling you were going to feel like a shot messenger. I think I can speak for every human being on earth when I say “You’re okay, buddy!”

]]> By: Cliff Corcoran http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66108 Cliff Corcoran Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:00:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66108 I just want to point out that I'm not saying I agree with this approach necessarily, just that I believe we've seen signs of the Yankees' intentions here and these are the reasons why I believe they're handling Wang the way they are. I just want to point out that I’m not saying I agree with this approach necessarily, just that I believe we’ve seen signs of the Yankees’ intentions here and these are the reasons why I believe they’re handling Wang the way they are.

]]> By: sonyahennystutu http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66107 sonyahennystutu Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:56:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66107 IMHO the Yanks should absolutely have used this years generally depressed market rates - combined with CMW's injury shortened season - to buy out his arb years AND at least one year of FA at a relative market discount. You can NEVER have too much starting pitching. And 1-2 years of free agency would *still* put him only in his early 30s. I think we will pay, and dearly, because I *do* think we will sign him, because I *do* think he will continue to have success here despite what you cite as questionable peripherals (and a less questionable injury history IMO), and I do *not* think we will develop two quality starting pitching arms in the next 2 years. Put another way - after he goes 19-8 (again) this year, we will give him a 3 year deal that will be more expensive than a 4 year deal would've been now. IMHO the Yanks should absolutely have used this years generally depressed market rates – combined with CMW’s injury shortened season – to buy out his arb years AND at least one year of FA at a relative market discount. You can NEVER have too much starting pitching. And 1-2 years of free agency would *still* put him only in his early 30s.

I think we will pay, and dearly, because I *do* think we will sign him, because I *do* think he will continue to have success here despite what you cite as questionable peripherals (and a less questionable injury history IMO), and I do *not* think we will develop two quality starting pitching arms in the next 2 years.

Put another way – after he goes 19-8 (again) this year, we will give him a 3 year deal that will be more expensive than a 4 year deal would’ve been now.

]]> By: The 13th http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66106 The 13th Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:52:31 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66106 Back in 2005, I was of the mind the Yankees should trade him before the rest of the league figures him out. Fortunately, I have no say in their decision making process. Wang's become one of my favorite players. Not only does he seem like a good guy, but there's just something about watching him pitch which I find aesthetically pleasant. Give me eight innings of Wang with Mo for the ninth, and that is a beautiful game. Back in 2005, I was of the mind the Yankees should trade him before the rest of the league figures him out. Fortunately, I have no say in their decision making process. Wang’s become one of my favorite players. Not only does he seem like a good guy, but there’s just something about watching him pitch which I find aesthetically pleasant. Give me eight innings of Wang with Mo for the ninth, and that is a beautiful game.

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/23/whats-wang-with-this-picture/#comment-66105 The Hawk Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:39:24 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6312#comment-66105 I call bunk on this injury history. Hamstring pulls and baserunning accidents do not make a very scary injury resume. The labrum injury seems to have been solved almost seven years ago, aside from a 2005 incident that required no treatment at all. It just doesn't add up, for me. The other major issue cited above, strikeout ratio, is one of those overrated statistics. It means a lot when you're, you know, a strikeout pitcher, but obviously that's not Wang's style. I'm not arguing the Yankees need to keep Wang but I'm not sure why they wouldn't given his track record. I can't see how you could look at his body of work and decided he's expendable ... Sure he had a rough postseason in 2007 but so did Sabathia (and again in 08). I do see how he might get pushed out by the young arms coming up but I wouldn't bet on it; anyway at this point he is a classic example of bird in the hand. I call bunk on this injury history. Hamstring pulls and baserunning accidents do not make a very scary injury resume. The labrum injury seems to have been solved almost seven years ago, aside from a 2005 incident that required no treatment at all. It just doesn’t add up, for me.

The other major issue cited above, strikeout ratio, is one of those overrated statistics. It means a lot when you’re, you know, a strikeout pitcher, but obviously that’s not Wang’s style.

I’m not arguing the Yankees need to keep Wang but I’m not sure why they wouldn’t given his track record. I can’t see how you could look at his body of work and decided he’s expendable … Sure he had a rough postseason in 2007 but so did Sabathia (and again in 08).

I do see how he might get pushed out by the young arms coming up but I wouldn’t bet on it; anyway at this point he is a classic example of bird in the hand.

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