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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/31/news-of-the-day-123108/#comment-66589</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[13] Jeter&#039;s declining range has been a problem that should have been addressed years ago (because winning should trump sensibilities). 2011 (or perhaps even 2010) merely offers the Yankees the leverage to finally address the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[13] Jeter&#8217;s declining range has been a problem that should have been addressed years ago (because winning should trump sensibilities). 2011 (or perhaps even 2010) merely offers the Yankees the leverage to finally address the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Monkeypants. The way I heard it, Management made third base a condition
during A-Rod talks without  consulting with Jetes. And regarding Jeter&#039;s decline, don&#039;t forget he was
off to a great start in 2008 until being hit in the hand, an injury which stayed with him most of the 
season. Let&#039;s watch the Captain perform in 2009 before writing him off. You know he always gives
you his best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Monkeypants. The way I heard it, Management made third base a condition<br />
during A-Rod talks without  consulting with Jetes. And regarding Jeter&#8217;s decline, don&#8217;t forget he was<br />
off to a great start in 2008 until being hit in the hand, an injury which stayed with him most of the<br />
season. Let&#8217;s watch the Captain perform in 2009 before writing him off. You know he always gives<br />
you his best.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what we&#039;re worrying about now,?  Jeter in 2011?  How about Cano&#039;s declining range in 2018?

Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what we&#8217;re worrying about now,?  Jeter in 2011?  How about Cano&#8217;s declining range in 2018?</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wold Derek still have the legs for CF, or maybe put him in a corner spot.

Anyway, Happy New Year!

And let&#039;s get #27 in 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wold Derek still have the legs for CF, or maybe put him in a corner spot.</p>
<p>Anyway, Happy New Year!</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s get #27 in 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that the Yankees condition a new contract on Jeter&#039;s willingness to vacate the SS position to move to the OF. The discussion needs to take place after the upcoming season because it could affect how the Yankees configure their OF going forward as Damon, Matsui, and Nady&#039;s contracts (although I hope he is moved now) come off the books.

If Jeter continues to put up 102 OPS+ seasons like he did in 2008, I would only offer him a one year extension and go year to year from there. If he returns to being a 120 OPS+ hitter, I would give him a three year extension at the expiration of his current contract.

Of course, all of the foregoing is dependent on the Yankees acquiring a top defensive SS, one who could mitigate A-Rod&#039;s loss of range at 3B as he ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that the Yankees condition a new contract on Jeter&#8217;s willingness to vacate the SS position to move to the OF. The discussion needs to take place after the upcoming season because it could affect how the Yankees configure their OF going forward as Damon, Matsui, and Nady&#8217;s contracts (although I hope he is moved now) come off the books.</p>
<p>If Jeter continues to put up 102 OPS+ seasons like he did in 2008, I would only offer him a one year extension and go year to year from there. If he returns to being a 120 OPS+ hitter, I would give him a three year extension at the expiration of his current contract.</p>
<p>Of course, all of the foregoing is dependent on the Yankees acquiring a top defensive SS, one who could mitigate A-Rod&#8217;s loss of range at 3B as he ages.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] Exactly right on the young arms, Raf.  The Yanks have boatloads of them, and more on the way.  I&#039;m not worried about the SP innings.

Since Jeter never did move to CF (sigh), I think he&#039;s a SS for life.  Moving him to 1B was never an option, &quot;sure hands&quot; or no, because in his decline, he&#039;ll never hit enough to carry the position.  Right now he won&#039;t hit enough to carry it, much less in 3 or 4 years.

On a related note, you know when a poor fielding SS doesn&#039;t matter much?  When all your pitchers have great strikeout rates - or are extreme flyball pitchers - or both.  And as of right now, I find only one guy on the staff who doesn&#039;t fall into either category (or both) - CM Wang.  (I&#039;m presuming Steven Jackson can keep getting Ks like he did last year, otherwise he&#039;s #2.)

Perhaps this is why the Yanks are not showing Wang more love?  If they expect Jeter to still play SS regularly in 2013, I can&#039;t imagine having an extreme groundball/low K pitcher for tens of millions on the staff is a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] Exactly right on the young arms, Raf.  The Yanks have boatloads of them, and more on the way.  I&#8217;m not worried about the SP innings.</p>
<p>Since Jeter never did move to CF (sigh), I think he&#8217;s a SS for life.  Moving him to 1B was never an option, &#8220;sure hands&#8221; or no, because in his decline, he&#8217;ll never hit enough to carry the position.  Right now he won&#8217;t hit enough to carry it, much less in 3 or 4 years.</p>
<p>On a related note, you know when a poor fielding SS doesn&#8217;t matter much?  When all your pitchers have great strikeout rates &#8211; or are extreme flyball pitchers &#8211; or both.  And as of right now, I find only one guy on the staff who doesn&#8217;t fall into either category (or both) &#8211; CM Wang.  (I&#8217;m presuming Steven Jackson can keep getting Ks like he did last year, otherwise he&#8217;s #2.)</p>
<p>Perhaps this is why the Yanks are not showing Wang more love?  If they expect Jeter to still play SS regularly in 2013, I can&#8217;t imagine having an extreme groundball/low K pitcher for tens of millions on the staff is a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick thought. We could make Florida an offer they couldn&#039;t refuse for Hanley Ramirez and snatch another player away that Boston covets. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick thought. We could make Florida an offer they couldn&#8217;t refuse for Hanley Ramirez and snatch another player away that Boston covets. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, it&#039;s a little early to speculate, but any ideas on who would replace Derek at ss? Free agents to be, trade possibilities, up and coming whiz kids in the minors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, it&#8217;s a little early to speculate, but any ideas on who would replace Derek at ss? Free agents to be, trade possibilities, up and coming whiz kids in the minors?</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Was he ever asked? Or is this simply a perpetuation of the unsubstantiated charge that Jeter was “too selfish” to move?&lt;/b&gt;

The trade was made after Rodriguez agreed to move to 3b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Was he ever asked? Or is this simply a perpetuation of the unsubstantiated charge that Jeter was “too selfish” to move?</b></p>
<p>The trade was made after Rodriguez agreed to move to 3b.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[5] Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[5] Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Declaring the decline and fall of Jeter based on last year’s numbers may be premature. &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but speculating on what to do with a 35 yo SS and captain of the team when the inevitable happens is justifiable.  Particularly after watching Bernie nose-dive and have to be pulled off the field.

I don&#039;t think anything will happen during this contract, but if the slow erosion of Jeter&#039;s skills continues or speeds up, that next contract negotiation could be, uh, interesting.  I have no doubt the Yankees will reward Jeter for being the trouble-free face of the Yankees for 14 years, but I&#039;m not sure they&#039;re going to roll over for him either.  If he wants 4-5 years/$100 million, Cashman might balk.  He could always get the George Brett treatment and just sign a &quot;life-time&quot; contract after this one expires.  Then he slides into either management or  vice-presidency of something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Declaring the decline and fall of Jeter based on last year’s numbers may be premature. </i></p>
<p>Yes, but speculating on what to do with a 35 yo SS and captain of the team when the inevitable happens is justifiable.  Particularly after watching Bernie nose-dive and have to be pulled off the field.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anything will happen during this contract, but if the slow erosion of Jeter&#8217;s skills continues or speeds up, that next contract negotiation could be, uh, interesting.  I have no doubt the Yankees will reward Jeter for being the trouble-free face of the Yankees for 14 years, but I&#8217;m not sure they&#8217;re going to roll over for him either.  If he wants 4-5 years/$100 million, Cashman might balk.  He could always get the George Brett treatment and just sign a &#8220;life-time&#8221; contract after this one expires.  Then he slides into either management or  vice-presidency of something.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Things really can’t get worse than the past few years regarding SP innings, can they?&lt;/b&gt;

Nothing good will come from... &lt;i&gt;thaaat!&lt;/i&gt;   &gt;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Things really can’t get worse than the past few years regarding SP innings, can they?</b></p>
<p>Nothing good will come from&#8230; <i>thaaat!</i>   &gt;;)</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] &quot;If he didn’t move for Rodriguez, a better shortstop in all aspects of the game, he isn’t going to move for anyone.&quot;

Was he ever asked?  Or is this simply a perpetuation of the unsubstantiated charge that Jeter was &quot;too selfish&quot; to move?

[0] Declaring the decline and fall of Jeter based on last year&#039;s numbers may be premature. He was hurt and yet still posted reasonable numbers (indeed, River Ave Blues ran a post yesterday pointing out that Jeter&#039;s relative value/cost was among the highest on the team).  Last season may be the anomaly, and this year may see a return to something more along the lines of 2007.  

On the other hand, if his numbers continue to dip, or even just remain the same, the we are probably looking at the end game.  

This year is the important one for deciding what to do with Jeter, not last season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] &#8220;If he didn’t move for Rodriguez, a better shortstop in all aspects of the game, he isn’t going to move for anyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was he ever asked?  Or is this simply a perpetuation of the unsubstantiated charge that Jeter was &#8220;too selfish&#8221; to move?</p>
<p>[0] Declaring the decline and fall of Jeter based on last year&#8217;s numbers may be premature. He was hurt and yet still posted reasonable numbers (indeed, River Ave Blues ran a post yesterday pointing out that Jeter&#8217;s relative value/cost was among the highest on the team).  Last season may be the anomaly, and this year may see a return to something more along the lines of 2007.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, if his numbers continue to dip, or even just remain the same, the we are probably looking at the end game.  </p>
<p>This year is the important one for deciding what to do with Jeter, not last season.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] Right on all counts. When the Yankees got A-Rod, Bernie was on the decline and it was the season before the Yankees picked up Johnny Damon. There was a movement in the blogosphere -- and Steven Goldman advocated this in his many posts at YES -- to have Jeter pull a Robin Yount and move to CF. We know how that turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] Right on all counts. When the Yankees got A-Rod, Bernie was on the decline and it was the season before the Yankees picked up Johnny Damon. There was a movement in the blogosphere &#8212; and Steven Goldman advocated this in his many posts at YES &#8212; to have Jeter pull a Robin Yount and move to CF. We know how that turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Yanks have to pry Jeter off SS.  If he didn&#039;t move for Rodriguez, a better shortstop in all aspects of the game, he isn&#039;t going to move for anyone.

As for Pete Abe, does he know about the arms in the minors?  Anyway, whatever innings the starters don&#039;t throw will be made up by the bullpen.  Don&#039;t discount the Yanks picking up a starter during the season either.  Things really can&#039;t get worse than the past few years regarding SP innings, can they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Yanks have to pry Jeter off SS.  If he didn&#8217;t move for Rodriguez, a better shortstop in all aspects of the game, he isn&#8217;t going to move for anyone.</p>
<p>As for Pete Abe, does he know about the arms in the minors?  Anyway, whatever innings the starters don&#8217;t throw will be made up by the bullpen.  Don&#8217;t discount the Yanks picking up a starter during the season either.  Things really can&#8217;t get worse than the past few years regarding SP innings, can they?</p>
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