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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[5] Oh I agree with you.  My real point was twofold:

1. Big money closers are rarely worth the money they are paid, Mo or otherwise.  Thus it would be very difficult for anyone to live up to Mo&#039;s four year, 40 million contract.

2. More generally, it is unlikely that any of the Yankees&#039; big-money contracts will be worth it.  But this, I think, misses the point to a degree.  I have been fully convinced that, for example, Posada would never be &quot;worth&quot; his four year contract, but I still think that it was a good signing at the time.  Indeed, I think of it a s a very expensive three year contract spread out over four years. If the team gets three productive years out of him, well done.  A fourth year is gravy. Similarly, I for one am not too worried about A-Rod&#039;s age 40 season.  The team overpaid to keep him; this will very likely pay off for the next few seasons at least.  Worry about five years when that time is more proximate.

The Yankees have the type of resources to overpay for veterans (both in dollars and years), and this is as acceptable strategy so long as the contracts are kept manageable.  In other words, they cannot afford to stack too many of these essentially backloaded contracts at the same time. This off season is a perfect example: Giambi&#039;s big contract, which was probably &quot;too long&quot; , ran out in time to sign Sabathia and Teixeira, both of whose contracts are probably &quot;too long.&quot; The Yankees are fortunate to have enough resources to juggle the back ends of these contracts; if they are clever, they can do so almost perpetually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[5] Oh I agree with you.  My real point was twofold:</p>
<p>1. Big money closers are rarely worth the money they are paid, Mo or otherwise.  Thus it would be very difficult for anyone to live up to Mo&#8217;s four year, 40 million contract.</p>
<p>2. More generally, it is unlikely that any of the Yankees&#8217; big-money contracts will be worth it.  But this, I think, misses the point to a degree.  I have been fully convinced that, for example, Posada would never be &#8220;worth&#8221; his four year contract, but I still think that it was a good signing at the time.  Indeed, I think of it a s a very expensive three year contract spread out over four years. If the team gets three productive years out of him, well done.  A fourth year is gravy. Similarly, I for one am not too worried about A-Rod&#8217;s age 40 season.  The team overpaid to keep him; this will very likely pay off for the next few seasons at least.  Worry about five years when that time is more proximate.</p>
<p>The Yankees have the type of resources to overpay for veterans (both in dollars and years), and this is as acceptable strategy so long as the contracts are kept manageable.  In other words, they cannot afford to stack too many of these essentially backloaded contracts at the same time. This off season is a perfect example: Giambi&#8217;s big contract, which was probably &#8220;too long&#8221; , ran out in time to sign Sabathia and Teixeira, both of whose contracts are probably &#8220;too long.&#8221; The Yankees are fortunate to have enough resources to juggle the back ends of these contracts; if they are clever, they can do so almost perpetually.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4] Overrated or not, an ERA+ of 317 in 71 innings goes a long way toward living up to the contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] Overrated or not, an ERA+ of 317 in 71 innings goes a long way toward living up to the contract.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[0] Mantle was Ineffective by his mid- to late-thirties? By ineffective, I guess we mean 170, 150, 142 OPS+ at age 34, 35, 36.

[3] Mo will not live up to his deal because closers are so vastly overrated in general.  Still, I agree with your main point that Mo will come the closest to meeting *expectations* throughout the length of his contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[0] Mantle was Ineffective by his mid- to late-thirties? By ineffective, I guess we mean 170, 150, 142 OPS+ at age 34, 35, 36.</p>
<p>[3] Mo will not live up to his deal because closers are so vastly overrated in general.  Still, I agree with your main point that Mo will come the closest to meeting *expectations* throughout the length of his contract.</p>
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		<title>By: seattleyank</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does make me nervous about Arod&#039;s contract. And the one the Yanks will inevitably give to Captain Jetes in a couple years. Mo seems likely to live up to his deal (and them some). Posada, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does make me nervous about Arod&#8217;s contract. And the one the Yanks will inevitably give to Captain Jetes in a couple years. Mo seems likely to live up to his deal (and them some). Posada, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And speaking of youngsters and great deals....
Josh Hamilton signed for 1 year/$396,830 (2008).
He only has 1 year of MLB experience. Is he becoming a FA anytime in the near future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And speaking of youngsters and great deals&#8230;.<br />
Josh Hamilton signed for 1 year/$396,830 (2008).<br />
He only has 1 year of MLB experience. Is he becoming a FA anytime in the near future?</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Jamie Moyer... what do you do with a 46 year old pitcher? Well, Philly just re-signed him for 2 years/$13M (2009-10). I guess with a 3.71 ERA in 2008, that may not be a bad move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Jamie Moyer&#8230; what do you do with a 46 year old pitcher? Well, Philly just re-signed him for 2 years/$13M (2009-10). I guess with a 3.71 ERA in 2008, that may not be a bad move.</p>
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