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		<title>By: The Mick536</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mick536</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18] Winfield won a title  with the Jays in 1992.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way late here, catching up on the Banter..

Gammons..that interview is almost hard to believe..I don&#039;t mean this in a nasty way at all but I wonder if he has not been the &quot;same&quot; since his illness..?? I know from some family members that post-illness their comments seem to come out with little filter..can&#039;t think of any other explanation for that comment on Tex&#039;s wife, that was just bizarre...not familiar with the &quot;defective baseball&quot; incident though..

Giambi...not the best, not the worst signing, but see little value in even discussing it now, is the Hot Stove that boring that the tabloids need to get into that??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way late here, catching up on the Banter..</p>
<p>Gammons..that interview is almost hard to believe..I don&#8217;t mean this in a nasty way at all but I wonder if he has not been the &#8220;same&#8221; since his illness..?? I know from some family members that post-illness their comments seem to come out with little filter..can&#8217;t think of any other explanation for that comment on Tex&#8217;s wife, that was just bizarre&#8230;not familiar with the &#8220;defective baseball&#8221; incident though..</p>
<p>Giambi&#8230;not the best, not the worst signing, but see little value in even discussing it now, is the Hot Stove that boring that the tabloids need to get into that??</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[27] &quot;Actually, I would say that no free agent signings “worked out” as perfectly as those of Boggs and Key. They were brought on to be veteran role models to guide a young team toward a championship, and they did exactly that.&quot;

I believe that your memory is at least partially mistaken.  The Yankees signed Key when negotiations with Maddux (and also Bonds!) fell through. Key was NOT signed for his veteran leadership.  Rather, he was the big signing for the team in 1992/1993, whose role was to be the anchor of the pitching staff.  That the team around him happened to get better by 1996 so that, as his skills declined after a major injury, the team won, says little about his initial contract. His contract &quot;paid off&quot; not because the happened to win the WS, but because e was a very good pitcher for three out of four years with the team (the other lost to injury).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[27] &#8220;Actually, I would say that no free agent signings “worked out” as perfectly as those of Boggs and Key. They were brought on to be veteran role models to guide a young team toward a championship, and they did exactly that.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that your memory is at least partially mistaken.  The Yankees signed Key when negotiations with Maddux (and also Bonds!) fell through. Key was NOT signed for his veteran leadership.  Rather, he was the big signing for the team in 1992/1993, whose role was to be the anchor of the pitching staff.  That the team around him happened to get better by 1996 so that, as his skills declined after a major injury, the team won, says little about his initial contract. His contract &#8220;paid off&#8221; not because the happened to win the WS, but because e was a very good pitcher for three out of four years with the team (the other lost to injury).</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[28] Then it was a bad contract.  Really, your expectations are, IMO, unrealistic. The dude was not going to OPS+ near 200 for the length of the contract.  The Yankees will always overpay in years and $$$ to get what they want.  If you expect Giambi or CC or Teixera, etc, to produce at their MVP/Cy Young peak for the whole contracts you will have to get used to disappointment. 

I, on the other hand, recognize that the Yankees will always pay too much to get the big fish.  Therefore, I adjust my expectations accordingly.  As for good contracts or bad contracts--I think that this is largely an irrelevant issue.

[27] &quot;Essential part of their business model&quot;...and yet, they are making money hand over fist despite a relative drought in WS championships.  I think your understanding of the Yankee business model is perhaps flawed.

From the standpoint of competition on the field, it is IMO deeply wrongheaded to &quot;blame&quot; (essentially) one player for a team&#039;s failings.  The Yankees did not win the WS from 1979 through 1996.  However, this was not the &quot;fault&quot; of Winfield (for example), who was more years than not the best player on the team.  The Yankees got what they paid for from Winfield.  That they screwed up with the rest of the roster is independent of the goodness or badness or paidoffness of his individual contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[28] Then it was a bad contract.  Really, your expectations are, IMO, unrealistic. The dude was not going to OPS+ near 200 for the length of the contract.  The Yankees will always overpay in years and $$$ to get what they want.  If you expect Giambi or CC or Teixera, etc, to produce at their MVP/Cy Young peak for the whole contracts you will have to get used to disappointment. </p>
<p>I, on the other hand, recognize that the Yankees will always pay too much to get the big fish.  Therefore, I adjust my expectations accordingly.  As for good contracts or bad contracts&#8211;I think that this is largely an irrelevant issue.</p>
<p>[27] &#8220;Essential part of their business model&#8221;&#8230;and yet, they are making money hand over fist despite a relative drought in WS championships.  I think your understanding of the Yankee business model is perhaps flawed.</p>
<p>From the standpoint of competition on the field, it is IMO deeply wrongheaded to &#8220;blame&#8221; (essentially) one player for a team&#8217;s failings.  The Yankees did not win the WS from 1979 through 1996.  However, this was not the &#8220;fault&#8221; of Winfield (for example), who was more years than not the best player on the team.  The Yankees got what they paid for from Winfield.  That they screwed up with the rest of the roster is independent of the goodness or badness or paidoffness of his individual contract.</p>
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		<title>By: MichiganYankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichiganYankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[26] If a 25% drop in production (197 to 148) in his first two years (and continued decline from there) was perfectly predictable, then it was a bad contract.  The Yankees&#039; expectations were probably for an arc that hit the &quot;good spots&quot; (172 at 31, 161 at 34, 148 at 35, 128 at 37).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[26] If a 25% drop in production (197 to 148) in his first two years (and continued decline from there) was perfectly predictable, then it was a bad contract.  The Yankees&#8217; expectations were probably for an arc that hit the &#8220;good spots&#8221; (172 at 31, 161 at 34, 148 at 35, 128 at 37).</p>
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		<title>By: MichiganYankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichiganYankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[20] Winning the World Series is more than just the goal of the Yankee organization.  It&#039;s an essential part of their business model, especially when there is another team playing across the Triboro.  When the Yankees invest in a big-ticket free agent, they expect either a sustenance of World Series glory (in the cases of Gossage and Mussina) or a return to World Series glory (in the cases of Jackson, Winfield, Boggs, Key and Giambi) as the return on their investment.  

Actually, I would say that no free agent signings &quot;worked out&quot; as perfectly as those of Boggs and Key.  They were brought on to be veteran role models to guide a young team toward a championship, and they did exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[20] Winning the World Series is more than just the goal of the Yankee organization.  It&#8217;s an essential part of their business model, especially when there is another team playing across the Triboro.  When the Yankees invest in a big-ticket free agent, they expect either a sustenance of World Series glory (in the cases of Gossage and Mussina) or a return to World Series glory (in the cases of Jackson, Winfield, Boggs, Key and Giambi) as the return on their investment.  </p>
<p>Actually, I would say that no free agent signings &#8220;worked out&#8221; as perfectly as those of Boggs and Key.  They were brought on to be veteran role models to guide a young team toward a championship, and they did exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[24] If I sign the reigning MVP at age 31, I pretty much don&#039;t expect him ever to repeat his MVP performance.  However, if I was asked if I would be satisfied that he would lead his team in nearly every important offensive category at age 32, I&#039;d be pretty satisfied. 

Giambi had OPS+ of 126, 130, 153, 187, 197, 172, 148 at age 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. That is almost a perfect career arc.  148 OPS+ at age 32 was perfectly predictable.  To be disappointed with that is to have unrealistic expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[24] If I sign the reigning MVP at age 31, I pretty much don&#8217;t expect him ever to repeat his MVP performance.  However, if I was asked if I would be satisfied that he would lead his team in nearly every important offensive category at age 32, I&#8217;d be pretty satisfied. </p>
<p>Giambi had OPS+ of 126, 130, 153, 187, 197, 172, 148 at age 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. That is almost a perfect career arc.  148 OPS+ at age 32 was perfectly predictable.  To be disappointed with that is to have unrealistic expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[22] et al...right on!

Gammons is a bitch.

Frankly I&#039;m psyched about Gammons&#039; asinine comments because it will motivate Tex that much more to rake against Boston (not that I doubted his motivation after the introduction!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[22] et al&#8230;right on!</p>
<p>Gammons is a bitch.</p>
<p>Frankly I&#8217;m psyched about Gammons&#8217; asinine comments because it will motivate Tex that much more to rake against Boston (not that I doubted his motivation after the introduction!)</p>
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		<title>By: MichiganYankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichiganYankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[21] If you sign a reigning MVP at age 31, you should expect 3 years of MVP-caliber performance.  An OPS+ of 148 for a first baseman (51.8 VORP) is not an MVP-caliber performance (despite the BBWAA voters who voted for Morneau or Howard this year).  Thus Giambi&#039;s 2003 campaign was indeed a disappointment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[21] If you sign a reigning MVP at age 31, you should expect 3 years of MVP-caliber performance.  An OPS+ of 148 for a first baseman (51.8 VORP) is not an MVP-caliber performance (despite the BBWAA voters who voted for Morneau or Howard this year).  Thus Giambi&#8217;s 2003 campaign was indeed a disappointment.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6794&amp;cp=1#comment-84654&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mattpat&lt;/a&gt;, you&#039;re exactly right, and that&#039;s what makes me so sad.  I met Gammons very briefly at one of his pre-2003 &quot;Hot Stove, Cool Music&quot; events, and he couldn&#039;t have been a nicer guy, or more objective when talking about the Yanks and the Sox (and everything else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6794&amp;cp=1#comment-84654" rel="nofollow">Mattpat</a>, you&#8217;re exactly right, and that&#8217;s what makes me so sad.  I met Gammons very briefly at one of his pre-2003 &#8220;Hot Stove, Cool Music&#8221; events, and he couldn&#8217;t have been a nicer guy, or more objective when talking about the Yanks and the Sox (and everything else).</p>
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