Comments on: News of the Day – 1/26/09 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:45:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251128 The Hawk Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:19:33 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251128 Most informative thing on the book that' I've read so far is in the NYT. Interesting stuff. I want to read this book. Most informative thing on the book that’ I’ve read so far is in the NYT. Interesting stuff. I want to read this book.

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251127 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:56:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251127 I don't know about the planning of such a thing so far in advance Hawk, even for Torre. However Torre's track record going in certainly contained other bitter ends at other places not nearly as interesting from a book's perspective. What I do know is that it's entirely within the realm of possibility both Torre and Verducci are disgruntled former Yankees employees and what better way to get back at them than a "tell-all" book? I don’t know about the planning of such a thing so far in advance Hawk, even for Torre. However Torre’s track record going in certainly contained other bitter ends at other places not nearly as interesting from a book’s perspective. What I do know is that it’s entirely within the realm of possibility both Torre and Verducci are disgruntled former Yankees employees and what better way to get back at them than a “tell-all” book?

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251126 The Hawk Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:44:51 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251126 [40] Ha, don't you think there's a bit of difference between accepting a bitter end as being in the realm of possibility and accepting that Joe Torre manipulated the clubhouse in order to capitalize with a BOOK when the end came? I'm operating from a place where there is a substantial difference there. If you're not, then it's just what it is, aint it! [40] Ha, don’t you think there’s a bit of difference between accepting a bitter end as being in the realm of possibility and accepting that Joe Torre manipulated the clubhouse in order to capitalize with a BOOK when the end came? I’m operating from a place where there is a substantial difference there. If you’re not, then it’s just what it is, aint it!

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251125 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:15:21 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251125 [37] should read, "If you think a bitter end wasn't within the realm of possibility for Joe Torre at the time he accepted his position with the Yankees, then you simply haven't been paying attention to the George Steinbrenner era... at all." [37] should read, “If you think a bitter end wasn’t within the realm of possibility for Joe Torre at the time he accepted his position with the Yankees, then you simply haven’t been paying attention to the George Steinbrenner era… at all.”

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251124 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:55:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251124 Sorry, I botched those contractions, but you get the idea... ;) Sorry, I botched those contractions, but you get the idea…
;)

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251123 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:50:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251123 If you don't think a bitter end wasn 't within the realm of possibility for Joe Torre at the time he accepted his position with the Yankees, then you simply haven't been paying attention to the George Steinbrenner era... at all. If you don’t think a bitter end wasn ‘t within the realm of possibility for Joe Torre at the time he accepted his position with the Yankees, then you simply haven’t been paying attention to the George Steinbrenner era… at all.

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251122 The Hawk Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:44:16 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251122 [35] So Torre also knew 12 years ago he'd be jilted out of a job? Right: Tell everyone that what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse, because you know in 12 years it will all come to a bitter, bitter end and you want to keep all the juicy tidbits out of the press so you can dramatically reveal them yourself in a tell-all book. Joe Torre is an evil genius! [35] So Torre also knew 12 years ago he’d be jilted out of a job? Right: Tell everyone that what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse, because you know in 12 years it will all come to a bitter, bitter end and you want to keep all the juicy tidbits out of the press so you can dramatically reveal them yourself in a tell-all book. Joe Torre is an evil genius!

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251121 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:25:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251121 [34] Not if you're jilted out of your job the ways Verducci and/or Torre may feel they were... especially with these types of monies at stake. We are talking about folks who weren't always with the Yankees after all. [34] Not if you’re jilted out of your job the ways Verducci and/or Torre may feel they were… especially with these types of monies at stake. We are talking about folks who weren’t always with the Yankees after all.

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251120 The Hawk Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:19:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251120 Look I don't know what the deal is with Torre, and I haven't read the book so I can't say one way or the other about it. On the face of it it does seem unnecessary. But I find comical the idea that Torre asked for clubhouse stuff to stay in the clubhouse in order to be the first to write a book about it a decade later. I mean, that's nuts. Look I don’t know what the deal is with Torre, and I haven’t read the book so I can’t say one way or the other about it. On the face of it it does seem unnecessary. But I find comical the idea that Torre asked for clubhouse stuff to stay in the clubhouse in order to be the first to write a book about it a decade later. I mean, that’s nuts.

]]> By: JL25and3 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251119 JL25and3 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:17:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251119 [27] I'm still mad at David Aardsma for bumping Henry Aaron from the #1 spot alphabetically. He should have been forced to change his name to Ardsma before they let him play. [27] I’m still mad at David Aardsma for bumping Henry Aaron from the #1 spot alphabetically. He should have been forced to change his name to Ardsma before they let him play.

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251118 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:10:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251118 [29] Mike Francesa, of all people, made the most damning observation with regards to the hypocrisy of Joe Torre in a question to Verducci earlier today. He noted that at the beginning of Torre's first year, he made it clear to the players he was "Old School" and that what happened in the clubhouse stayed in the clubhouse. This book is obviously in blatant disagreement with this original managerial philosophy. I would even argue it might have even been his plan since day one so his book could be the first and the most successful exposure of those teams and years. If there is anything in those 500 pages verifying what happened in the clubhouse, and Joe Torre made that announcement to his players on day one, he is indeed a hypocrite and will be profiting from divulging or verifying what should stay in the clubhouse. Hmmm... Perhaps "Old School" gets thrown out of the window when you're trying to maintain an estate at Kapalua in this economy in 2009. I am smart enough to know that in this day of modern medicine and stem cell research, Torre can easily survive long enough to blow his $100M there! Maybe A-Rod and Madonna will buy the whole island and evict Torre for the "next chapter"! ;) [29] Mike Francesa, of all people, made the most damning observation with regards to the hypocrisy of Joe Torre in a question to Verducci earlier today. He noted that at the beginning of Torre’s first year, he made it clear to the players he was “Old School” and that what happened in the clubhouse stayed in the clubhouse. This book is obviously in blatant disagreement with this original managerial philosophy. I would even argue it might have even been his plan since day one so his book could be the first and the most successful exposure of those teams and years. If there is anything in those 500 pages verifying what happened in the clubhouse, and Joe Torre made that announcement to his players on day one, he is indeed a hypocrite and will be profiting from divulging or verifying what should stay in the clubhouse. Hmmm…

Perhaps “Old School” gets thrown out of the window when you’re trying to maintain an estate at Kapalua in this economy in 2009. I am smart enough to know that in this day of modern medicine and stem cell research, Torre can easily survive long enough to blow his $100M there! Maybe A-Rod and Madonna will buy the whole island and evict Torre for the “next chapter”!
;)

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251117 The Hawk Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:08:19 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251117 [29] Right but - and I don't mean to be combative - I'm just saying ... Well let me put it this way: We could all spend a long, long time saying that if so-and-so did such-and-such, that would make them a hypocrite. I realize you're not saying he is doing it, but in the absence of any evidence that he has or will, I don't think it's really relevant. It just seems there's a little bias at work there, is all, which I don't understand, given Torre's track record. He's done nothing to earn that kind of suspicion. [29] Right but – and I don’t mean to be combative – I’m just saying … Well let me put it this way: We could all spend a long, long time saying that if so-and-so did such-and-such, that would make them a hypocrite. I realize you’re not saying he is doing it, but in the absence of any evidence that he has or will, I don’t think it’s really relevant. It just seems there’s a little bias at work there, is all, which I don’t understand, given Torre’s track record. He’s done nothing to earn that kind of suspicion.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251116 Chyll Will Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:49:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251116 Gee, bp1 and I noticed that <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-yankees-pettitte&prov=ap&type=lgns" rel="nofollow"> Andy's about to sign</a> for lower than what's been argued about in the press (with incentives that might bring it right back up, of course) and we're arguing the merits of an albeit heralded manager who isn't here anymore? Because of a book that <i>hasn't even come out yet??</i> Wowzers. I can't imagine what will happen when Vernon Wells gets traded to us. Will we be arguing over Clemens? >;) Gee, bp1 and I noticed that
Andy’s about to sign for lower than what’s been argued about in the press (with incentives that might bring it right back up, of course) and we’re arguing the merits of an albeit heralded manager who isn’t here anymore? Because of a book that hasn’t even come out yet?? Wowzers. I can’t imagine what will happen when Vernon Wells gets traded to us. Will we be arguing over Clemens? >;)

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251115 williamnyy23 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:37:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251115 [28] Note the quotes in my statement: something to keep in mind "should Torre back away from some of the contents." Verducci has already laid the groundwork with the whole third-party book idea, so if Torre goes that route too, there would definitely be a certain level of hypocrisy. [28] Note the quotes in my statement: something to keep in mind “should Torre back away from some of the contents.” Verducci has already laid the groundwork with the whole third-party book idea, so if Torre goes that route too, there would definitely be a certain level of hypocrisy.

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251114 The Hawk Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:33:54 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251114 [26] How is that germaine in any way? Is there some evidence that Torre is trying to NOT be accountable for the book with his name on it, and thus the NYT article outs him as a hypocrite on top of everything else? [26] How is that germaine in any way? Is there some evidence that Torre is trying to NOT be accountable for the book with his name on it, and thus the NYT article outs him as a hypocrite on top of everything else?

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251113 rbj Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:31:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251113 Wow, Pres. Obama has amazing powers. Dead horses have risen up. Torre was a great manager for the Yankees. Post season every year. Still, managers are hired to be fired. There was a certain "staleness" to the team so a new manager probably was in order, it's just that the Steinbrenners did it in a low class way. As for A-Rod, I only care about what he does on the field. And with all due respect to Henry Aaron, I would like to see the career HR record back in pinstripes. Wow, Pres. Obama has amazing powers. Dead horses have risen up.

Torre was a great manager for the Yankees. Post season every year. Still, managers are hired to be fired. There was a certain “staleness” to the team so a new manager probably was in order, it’s just that the Steinbrenners did it in a low class way.

As for A-Rod, I only care about what he does on the field. And with all due respect to Henry Aaron, I would like to see the career HR record back in pinstripes.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251112 williamnyy23 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:28:28 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251112 Here's an excerpt from a NYT article about David Wells book...something to keep in mind should Torre back away from some of the contents. Wells did not talk about the book, and his co-author, Chris Kreski, did not respond to an interview request. But Wells has suggested that he was surprised by parts of the book, and may have conveyed that to Torre and Cashman. ''We talked to him about a lot of things today,'' Torre said. ''I just sensed he was bothered by it. Not by what we said, but by how it came out. How much of it is actually what he said and how much isn't exactly what he said, I don't know. But there's no question: it has his name on it, and he has to be accountable for it.'' Here’s an excerpt from a NYT article about David Wells book…something to keep in mind should Torre back away from some of the contents.

Wells did not talk about the book, and his co-author, Chris Kreski, did not respond to an interview request. But Wells has suggested that he was surprised by parts of the book, and may have conveyed that to Torre and Cashman.

”We talked to him about a lot of things today,” Torre said. ”I just sensed he was bothered by it. Not by what we said, but by how it came out. How much of it is actually what he said and how much isn’t exactly what he said, I don’t know. But there’s no question: it has his name on it, and he has to be accountable for it.”

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251111 PJ Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:05:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251111 [17] I find it odd that while Joe Torre refused a lower salary laden with incentives offered because of a lack of success, Andy Pettitte not only took a substantial salary cut, he took a deal laden with incentives after a bad year! I don't believe those calls to Torre this season will have the same meaning, do you? If he pitches like he did during the last half of '08, he won't have a starting job out of Spring Training. [17] I find it odd that while Joe Torre refused a lower salary laden with incentives offered because of a lack of success, Andy Pettitte not only took a substantial salary cut, he took a deal laden with incentives after a bad year! I don’t believe those calls to Torre this season will have the same meaning, do you? If he pitches like he did during the last half of ’08, he won’t have a starting job out of Spring Training.

]]> By: JL25and3 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251110 JL25and3 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:59:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251110 I thought Torre was a very good manager for a long time. I would have rehired him, but it was a perfectly reasonable decision not to. I just didn't like the way the Yankees handled it - either he was the right guy for the job or he wasn't, and if he wasn't, they should just have said so. I cared about that a year ago. I thought Torre was a very good manager for a long time.

I would have rehired him, but it was a perfectly reasonable decision not to. I just didn’t like the way the Yankees handled it – either he was the right guy for the job or he wasn’t, and if he wasn’t, they should just have said so.

I cared about that a year ago.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/26/news-of-the-day-12609/#comment-251109 williamnyy23 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:14:54 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=7415#comment-251109 [21] And, that was my original point in [6]. [21] And, that was my original point in [6].

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