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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/27/news-of-the-day-12709/#comment-251194</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry... Post [24] was in reply to post [23], not [21]. We posters really need an edit feature around here!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry&#8230; Post [24] was in reply to post [23], not [21]. We posters really need an edit feature around here!<br />
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[21] Vanderbilt University is in Nashville, TN. It&#039;s known as &quot;The Harvard of the South&quot;. It&#039;s a great college and very expensive to attend. Also very near the campus, there is a restaurant called The Noshville Deli and it&#039;s a traditional New York style deli, with the best sandwiches this side of Carnegie and it&#039;s about eight miles from my home!

I thought you&#039;d like to know!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[21] Vanderbilt University is in Nashville, TN. It&#8217;s known as &#8220;The Harvard of the South&#8221;. It&#8217;s a great college and very expensive to attend. Also very near the campus, there is a restaurant called The Noshville Deli and it&#8217;s a traditional New York style deli, with the best sandwiches this side of Carnegie and it&#8217;s about eight miles from my home!</p>
<p>I thought you&#8217;d like to know!<br />
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[21] I noticed that!! Perhaps Buster is posting here under an alias?? Perhaps as Evil Empire or thelarmis? After all, they are down south, and didn&#039;t Olney go to Vanderbilt (which if memory serves me, is in Georgia or Alabama...? ah&#039;s it&#039;s all the sticks once you cross the Verazano.. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[21] I noticed that!! Perhaps Buster is posting here under an alias?? Perhaps as Evil Empire or thelarmis? After all, they are down south, and didn&#8217;t Olney go to Vanderbilt (which if memory serves me, is in Georgia or Alabama&#8230;? ah&#8217;s it&#8217;s all the sticks once you cross the Verazano.. <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s refreshing to hear Andy Pettitte speak so highly of A-Rod even though he wasn&#039;t there in &#039;04 at the beginning, when A-Rod struggled to find acceptance with the Yankees. I gladly take that as a sign of solidarity heading into ST!

[21] My favorite part of Wells&#039; book was when he and Cecil Fielder, while with Detroit and playing in the Fall League, slept with the roaches. Bugged the hell out of Wells literally, while Fielder took it all in stride.

I surely hope we here at Banter are somewhat within the vacinity of the pulse of all that is Yankees Universe! I mean my wife and I have our shirts from Sloan-Kettering... don&#039;t you?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s refreshing to hear Andy Pettitte speak so highly of A-Rod even though he wasn&#8217;t there in &#8217;04 at the beginning, when A-Rod struggled to find acceptance with the Yankees. I gladly take that as a sign of solidarity heading into ST!</p>
<p>[21] My favorite part of Wells&#8217; book was when he and Cecil Fielder, while with Detroit and playing in the Fall League, slept with the roaches. Bugged the hell out of Wells literally, while Fielder took it all in stride.</p>
<p>I surely hope we here at Banter are somewhat within the vacinity of the pulse of all that is Yankees Universe! I mean my wife and I have our shirts from Sloan-Kettering&#8230; don&#8217;t you?<br />
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, did anyone get a sense of deja vu reading Olney. His post seemed like a good summary of some of the same arguments given here, not only the general points, but pointed references like my David Wells quote from 2003 and Dimelo&#039;s mention of the McClellan quote. Maybe Buster reads BB for inspiration? He could do much worse!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, did anyone get a sense of deja vu reading Olney. His post seemed like a good summary of some of the same arguments given here, not only the general points, but pointed references like my David Wells quote from 2003 and Dimelo&#8217;s mention of the McClellan quote. Maybe Buster reads BB for inspiration? He could do much worse!</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that you have to read the entire book to form an opinion about is absurd. From all the excerpts I&#039;ve read, I am more than comfortable in coming to the conclusion that Torre showed very poor judgment contributing to this book. Context is important if you want to break down all of his statements, but as far as judging the motivation and type of content, all you really need to do is look at what the publisher has sought to promote.

Think of it this way...if someone sends you a 10-page letter, included in which is an excerpt explicitly insulting you, do you really need to read the whole thing to be insulted.

As for Arod, I doubt he&#039;ll care much or even be surprised by this book. Torre already sold him out to Verducci in an SI article during the season! If Torre was willing to do that to a player while still managing, why wouldn&#039;t he do the same in a book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that you have to read the entire book to form an opinion about is absurd. From all the excerpts I&#8217;ve read, I am more than comfortable in coming to the conclusion that Torre showed very poor judgment contributing to this book. Context is important if you want to break down all of his statements, but as far as judging the motivation and type of content, all you really need to do is look at what the publisher has sought to promote.</p>
<p>Think of it this way&#8230;if someone sends you a 10-page letter, included in which is an excerpt explicitly insulting you, do you really need to read the whole thing to be insulted.</p>
<p>As for Arod, I doubt he&#8217;ll care much or even be surprised by this book. Torre already sold him out to Verducci in an SI article during the season! If Torre was willing to do that to a player while still managing, why wouldn&#8217;t he do the same in a book?</p>
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		<title>By: krad</title>
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		<dc:creator>krad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Though the book isn’t supposed to be released for another week, the Times already has a review of it&quot;

That&#039;s not unusual. Publishers generally send out advanced reader copies of books (usually the unproofread galley pages bound together) in advance to review sources so that they can publish reviews just prior to the book&#039;s release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Though the book isn’t supposed to be released for another week, the Times already has a review of it&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not unusual. Publishers generally send out advanced reader copies of books (usually the unproofread galley pages bound together) in advance to review sources so that they can publish reviews just prior to the book&#8217;s release.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[16] Rhetoric... &gt;;)  

[17] All things considered, if the worst thing that can be said about A-Rod is that he&#039;s insecure and likes to bring attention to himself by parading around with older women, then I can deal with that.  The alcohol can hurt a lot more people than the broads, in a manner of speaking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[16] Rhetoric&#8230; &gt;;)  </p>
<p>[17] All things considered, if the worst thing that can be said about A-Rod is that he&#8217;s insecure and likes to bring attention to himself by parading around with older women, then I can deal with that.  The alcohol can hurt a lot more people than the broads, in a manner of speaking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[7] Oh I agree that it is a &quot;Torre book&quot;, it&#039;s just that Verducci made it sound like it&#039;s mostly his own book.

And as for A-Rod&#039;s insecurities, that&#039;s well know, heck it&#039;s already out there that he sees a psychologist.  It reminds me of another Yankee who had insecurities:  Billy Martin, who treated it by fighting and drinking.  I&#039;d rather Alex want to be liked by Jeter than to become an alcoholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[7] Oh I agree that it is a &#8220;Torre book&#8221;, it&#8217;s just that Verducci made it sound like it&#8217;s mostly his own book.</p>
<p>And as for A-Rod&#8217;s insecurities, that&#8217;s well know, heck it&#8217;s already out there that he sees a psychologist.  It reminds me of another Yankee who had insecurities:  Billy Martin, who treated it by fighting and drinking.  I&#8217;d rather Alex want to be liked by Jeter than to become an alcoholic.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point of order...

Mike Francesa is going to have either Hal or Hank on his radio show at 1:05 P.M. EST today!

While I hope most of the time is devoted to the &#039;09 Yankees and the signing of Pettitte, which is really all I want to hear about, we all just know the 800-pound gorilla in the room will be discussed as well!

Stay tuned!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point of order&#8230;</p>
<p>Mike Francesa is going to have either Hal or Hank on his radio show at 1:05 P.M. EST today!</p>
<p>While I hope most of the time is devoted to the &#8217;09 Yankees and the signing of Pettitte, which is really all I want to hear about, we all just know the 800-pound gorilla in the room will be discussed as well!</p>
<p>Stay tuned!<br />
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[12]Well you know, it&#039;s only one book so I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s like someone who &quot;keeps talking&quot;. You can expect to hear about the ex anyway, near the beginning of a relationship. Gotta get it out of the way and in fact you might want to know. &quot;So ... what went wrong?&quot; haha ... But if the person won&#039;t stop talking about it, yeah it&#039;s a problem. Let&#039;s see how many books Torre has in him. I suspect this is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[12]Well you know, it&#8217;s only one book so I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s like someone who &#8220;keeps talking&#8221;. You can expect to hear about the ex anyway, near the beginning of a relationship. Gotta get it out of the way and in fact you might want to know. &#8220;So &#8230; what went wrong?&#8221; haha &#8230; But if the person won&#8217;t stop talking about it, yeah it&#8217;s a problem. Let&#8217;s see how many books Torre has in him. I suspect this is it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Melky in CF. If he can bounce back to playing at the decent level he played at in 2007, he&#039;s fine. I don&#039;t like the looks of Gardner. Yeah he&#039;s fast but you do need to get the ball out of the infield every once in a while. (I&#039;ll admit I didn&#039;t watch much of his late season re-call-up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Melky in CF. If he can bounce back to playing at the decent level he played at in 2007, he&#8217;s fine. I don&#8217;t like the looks of Gardner. Yeah he&#8217;s fast but you do need to get the ball out of the infield every once in a while. (I&#8217;ll admit I didn&#8217;t watch much of his late season re-call-up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[11] Oh I agree with you, Hawk; it&#039;s the principle that bothers me, if there&#039;s any principle involved at all.  Seems like the authors timed this well in advance for the slowest part of the year to maximize the reaction and stir up a lot of buzz, and what with the clips that have been liberally sprinkled and dissected so far, it comes off as an irritant as opposed to a catharsis or an expose.  I&#039;d just as soon not read the book or talk about it, but I can&#039;t escape from it.  

I&#039;m still wondering if Cash has another trick up his sleeve to settle the CF question; I don&#039;t think they want to go into Opening Day with Melky or Gardner as their starting CF, both having achieved next to nothing offensively.  I am curious to see how well Melky has developed as per Kevin Long, but the trust is still an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[11] Oh I agree with you, Hawk; it&#8217;s the principle that bothers me, if there&#8217;s any principle involved at all.  Seems like the authors timed this well in advance for the slowest part of the year to maximize the reaction and stir up a lot of buzz, and what with the clips that have been liberally sprinkled and dissected so far, it comes off as an irritant as opposed to a catharsis or an expose.  I&#8217;d just as soon not read the book or talk about it, but I can&#8217;t escape from it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still wondering if Cash has another trick up his sleeve to settle the CF question; I don&#8217;t think they want to go into Opening Day with Melky or Gardner as their starting CF, both having achieved next to nothing offensively.  I am curious to see how well Melky has developed as per Kevin Long, but the trust is still an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: The 13th</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 13th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4] To continue on with your marriage/divorce analogy, I wonder how the Dodgers feel about this. To them, it must feel like dating someone who keeps talking about their ex. 
That&#039;s never pleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] To continue on with your marriage/divorce analogy, I wonder how the Dodgers feel about this. To them, it must feel like dating someone who keeps talking about their ex.<br />
That&#8217;s never pleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just ... read the damn book before you form a strong opinion on its contents. Doesn&#039;t that make sense and simplify things? If you don&#039;t like a passage that&#039;s been published, then keep your opinion to that passage without extrapolation as to the rest of the book. You&#039;ll save yourself a lot of sports agita.

I mean this aside from if you just think in principle the book shouldn&#039;t exist, or shouldn&#039;t exist now, anyway. Personally I lean toward the latter, if just for the sake of &quot;classiness&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just &#8230; read the damn book before you form a strong opinion on its contents. Doesn&#8217;t that make sense and simplify things? If you don&#8217;t like a passage that&#8217;s been published, then keep your opinion to that passage without extrapolation as to the rest of the book. You&#8217;ll save yourself a lot of sports agita.</p>
<p>I mean this aside from if you just think in principle the book shouldn&#8217;t exist, or shouldn&#8217;t exist now, anyway. Personally I lean toward the latter, if just for the sake of &#8220;classiness&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Fair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Eminem reference, Diane.  Pettitte may be humming, &quot;I wish I had 12 million dollars.....,&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Eminem reference, Diane.  Pettitte may be humming, &#8220;I wish I had 12 million dollars&#8230;..,&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8] man, don&#039;t I sound like an E@#$ Radio soundbyte, ugh...

[5] I think there&#039;s a difference beyond the fact Phil is still coaching the Lakers and Kobe... Phil had a quite different coaching experience than Joe when the book was published.  Having won a handful of rings with Jordan and Chicago, then 3-peating with the Shaq in his prime, Phil had the cache to criticize his own team and star player, who had in effect broken the championship  tandem and assumed the mantle of superstar all for himself (and I&#039;m guessing here, but was Kobe already in a lot of hot water for the incident in Colorado?), so who was gonna step[ to Phil and say, &quot;Wow, that was so wrong&quot; when his record implies he may be right? 

Joe has a smaller cache to back up his credibility; yes he came in a won on his first year with the Yanks and then after missing the WS, proceeded to 3-peat before losing out on a four-of-a-kind by an error and a hit.  But after that, it was a slippery slope to losing his job, especially after the meltdown in 2004 and the brain freeze in 2007.  Torre rode out on bad terms with the organization and a lot of good will from the fans after the way the Yanks handled the process (badly as usual), and fairly or not is perceived as having an axe to grind because he&#039;s not there anymore.  

Torre&#039;s exalted status comes from his victories with one team, the Yanks, and to come out with a book that is perceived as bashing the organization and active players from afar (and in third-person) is to me a bit different from being with the team, already having made your reputation elsewhere and continuing the winning there.  And confronting any controversies head-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[8] man, don&#8217;t I sound like an E@#$ Radio soundbyte, ugh&#8230;</p>
<p>[5] I think there&#8217;s a difference beyond the fact Phil is still coaching the Lakers and Kobe&#8230; Phil had a quite different coaching experience than Joe when the book was published.  Having won a handful of rings with Jordan and Chicago, then 3-peating with the Shaq in his prime, Phil had the cache to criticize his own team and star player, who had in effect broken the championship  tandem and assumed the mantle of superstar all for himself (and I&#8217;m guessing here, but was Kobe already in a lot of hot water for the incident in Colorado?), so who was gonna step[ to Phil and say, &#8220;Wow, that was so wrong&#8221; when his record implies he may be right? </p>
<p>Joe has a smaller cache to back up his credibility; yes he came in a won on his first year with the Yanks and then after missing the WS, proceeded to 3-peat before losing out on a four-of-a-kind by an error and a hit.  But after that, it was a slippery slope to losing his job, especially after the meltdown in 2004 and the brain freeze in 2007.  Torre rode out on bad terms with the organization and a lot of good will from the fans after the way the Yanks handled the process (badly as usual), and fairly or not is perceived as having an axe to grind because he&#8217;s not there anymore.  </p>
<p>Torre&#8217;s exalted status comes from his victories with one team, the Yanks, and to come out with a book that is perceived as bashing the organization and active players from afar (and in third-person) is to me a bit different from being with the team, already having made your reputation elsewhere and continuing the winning there.  And confronting any controversies head-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you know what, people?  How can I objectively read this book, having had a reaction and formed an initial opinion based on all of the excerpts published here and in other media outlets?  Then Verducci goes on a program and undercuts the marketing force behind it (that this is mainly a collection of Joe Torre&#039;s observations) by coming across as though it&#039;s really HIS book, recounting what Torre and others have said &lt;i&gt;about active players and executives&lt;/i&gt;... I don&#039;t care whose book it is at this point, I question the motivation of all those involved. 

I have questions like these roiling in my mind that can&#039;t be answered objectively until the book comes out, and by then I&#039;ll have already formed a biased opinion about it.  And I can&#039;t pretend that none of the information is out there about the book&#039;s contents because all of it is so &lt;b&gt;&quot;IN YOUR FACE!!!&quot;&lt;/b&gt; in print, the TV and radio.  It&#039;s like hearing that awful song with the catchy hook everywhere you go.  

This is what bothers me more than anything else; if the book had dropped seemingly out of no where, I would be more inclined to see what the hubbub was all about, but the cynical marketing that has pushed this book along the dirty gutters of curiosity have disgusted me nearly enough not to be bothered at all &gt;:&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you know what, people?  How can I objectively read this book, having had a reaction and formed an initial opinion based on all of the excerpts published here and in other media outlets?  Then Verducci goes on a program and undercuts the marketing force behind it (that this is mainly a collection of Joe Torre&#8217;s observations) by coming across as though it&#8217;s really HIS book, recounting what Torre and others have said <i>about active players and executives</i>&#8230; I don&#8217;t care whose book it is at this point, I question the motivation of all those involved. </p>
<p>I have questions like these roiling in my mind that can&#8217;t be answered objectively until the book comes out, and by then I&#8217;ll have already formed a biased opinion about it.  And I can&#8217;t pretend that none of the information is out there about the book&#8217;s contents because all of it is so <b>&#8220;IN YOUR FACE!!!&#8221;</b> in print, the TV and radio.  It&#8217;s like hearing that awful song with the catchy hook everywhere you go.  </p>
<p>This is what bothers me more than anything else; if the book had dropped seemingly out of no where, I would be more inclined to see what the hubbub was all about, but the cynical marketing that has pushed this book along the dirty gutters of curiosity have disgusted me nearly enough not to be bothered at all &gt;:&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4] Yeah, but Buster is right - Torre&#039;s name is on the book as an author.  He&#039;s being paid.  He&#039;s going on the promotion tour (it seems Verducci is not).  He seemingly had editorial control over the content.  That makes the words in the book his, whatever person the book is written in, whoever did the actual writing.

The stuff about Wells&#039;s book that Olney brings up is damning for Torre.  I hate to see a person I respect be a hypocrite, but I&#039;m afraid that is how Torre is coming off.  The September &#039;07 SI article was bad enough; this is worse.

And while you are right, OYF [3], that context is important, for now I&#039;m not talking about what&#039;s actually in the book.  I&#039;m just saying that the book is clearly Torre&#039;s as much as it is anyone&#039;s, and for Torre or Verducci to claim otherwise, given all of the stuff Olney points out, is just plain disingenuous.

This whole thing makes me very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] Yeah, but Buster is right &#8211; Torre&#8217;s name is on the book as an author.  He&#8217;s being paid.  He&#8217;s going on the promotion tour (it seems Verducci is not).  He seemingly had editorial control over the content.  That makes the words in the book his, whatever person the book is written in, whoever did the actual writing.</p>
<p>The stuff about Wells&#8217;s book that Olney brings up is damning for Torre.  I hate to see a person I respect be a hypocrite, but I&#8217;m afraid that is how Torre is coming off.  The September &#8217;07 SI article was bad enough; this is worse.</p>
<p>And while you are right, OYF [3], that context is important, for now I&#8217;m not talking about what&#8217;s actually in the book.  I&#8217;m just saying that the book is clearly Torre&#8217;s as much as it is anyone&#8217;s, and for Torre or Verducci to claim otherwise, given all of the stuff Olney points out, is just plain disingenuous.</p>
<p>This whole thing makes me very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattpat11</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That excerpt was not kind to Cashman.</description>
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