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	<title>Comments on: News of the Day &#8211; 1/28/09</title>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/28/news-of-the-day-12809/comment-page-2/#comment-90706</link>
		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.s.. Kemp is still a prospect. Unless you can tell me whether he&#039;ll slug .520 or .460 in 2009. Because he&#039;s headed in the wrong direction and with another year of the latter any value he might have will be destined for fourth OF status. I think he&#039;ll develop. But that&#039;s far from certain especially if he puts up another 150 K&#039;s in 150 games. 

So why do I want to deal for him? 

Because one or two years of Kemp in CF is vastly better than what the Yanks currently have and his upside as a corner just might be realized IF he develops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.s.. Kemp is still a prospect. Unless you can tell me whether he&#8217;ll slug .520 or .460 in 2009. Because he&#8217;s headed in the wrong direction and with another year of the latter any value he might have will be destined for fourth OF status. I think he&#8217;ll develop. But that&#8217;s far from certain especially if he puts up another 150 K&#8217;s in 150 games. </p>
<p>So why do I want to deal for him? </p>
<p>Because one or two years of Kemp in CF is vastly better than what the Yanks currently have and his upside as a corner just might be realized IF he develops.</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/01/28/news-of-the-day-12809/comment-page-2/#comment-90704</link>
		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any one calling Randy Wolf a #4 has completely destroyed any credibility they think they have.

Meanwhile, Kemp for IPK &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; absurd. It&#039;s very easy to argue against strawmen. However, given the woeful state of the Dodgers&#039; pitching, IPK + McAllister is not. They would both immediate jump to the top of the Dodgers pitching prospects heap. And Kennedy would legitimately be fighting Wolf for a rotation spot.

To prove that point, let&#039;s take a quick look at the two Dodger prospects this &quot;expert&quot; has cited:

Elbert - missed, almost all of 2007 with a &lt;b&gt;shoulder&lt;/b&gt; injury. He came back in 2008 to pitch all of 41 innings with 20 BB and 46 K. in AA at age 22. Those K&#039;s are great. Those walks are horrible. That, by itself, may not be a problem if he develops. Problem is, he&#039;s running out of time and has pitched just 52 innings in the last two years. The best that one can hope is that Elbert becomes useful out of the pen in 2009 or 2010.

MacDonald - At 23 years old, he stretches even the conservative definition of &quot;prospect&quot; especially since he&#039;s thrown just 22 innings in AAA. The problem is a sore arm has pushed him back and forth between the OF and the mound and so delayed his early development. Last year, he put up a good K rate in AA, but against  too many walks to ever really be effective. Worse, he did it as a 23 year old in AA. Did I mention he&#039;s 23 with only 22 innings in AAA? If he arrives at all this year it will be to prop up Randy Wolfs body. At best, right now he&#039;s a long reliever who may be forced into starting duty.

Bottom line: There&#039;s room for a deal. Most tellingly, none of these self-anointed experts, not even the one from France, has disputed a Hughes for Kemp deal with Melky thrown in for good measure. If Nifty Ned were put in a similar position, I don&#039;t see how he could say no given the woeful state of his farm and the back of his rotation. Pierre for Kemp isn&#039;t going to cost that team a playoff spot. 200 innings of Randy Wolf&#039;s dead left arm and uberprospct James McDonald just might. Hughes, and yup, Kennedy too, have already proven they&#039;re better than any arm the Dodgers have in their farm. 

Meanwhile, given the state of the Yankee CF I don&#039;t care if the Yanks had to cough up Hughes and Betances for Kemp. The chances of both becoming successful major league pitchers is exceedingly small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any one calling Randy Wolf a #4 has completely destroyed any credibility they think they have.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Kemp for IPK <b>is</b> absurd. It&#8217;s very easy to argue against strawmen. However, given the woeful state of the Dodgers&#8217; pitching, IPK + McAllister is not. They would both immediate jump to the top of the Dodgers pitching prospects heap. And Kennedy would legitimately be fighting Wolf for a rotation spot.</p>
<p>To prove that point, let&#8217;s take a quick look at the two Dodger prospects this &#8220;expert&#8221; has cited:</p>
<p>Elbert &#8211; missed, almost all of 2007 with a <b>shoulder</b> injury. He came back in 2008 to pitch all of 41 innings with 20 BB and 46 K. in AA at age 22. Those K&#8217;s are great. Those walks are horrible. That, by itself, may not be a problem if he develops. Problem is, he&#8217;s running out of time and has pitched just 52 innings in the last two years. The best that one can hope is that Elbert becomes useful out of the pen in 2009 or 2010.</p>
<p>MacDonald &#8211; At 23 years old, he stretches even the conservative definition of &#8220;prospect&#8221; especially since he&#8217;s thrown just 22 innings in AAA. The problem is a sore arm has pushed him back and forth between the OF and the mound and so delayed his early development. Last year, he put up a good K rate in AA, but against  too many walks to ever really be effective. Worse, he did it as a 23 year old in AA. Did I mention he&#8217;s 23 with only 22 innings in AAA? If he arrives at all this year it will be to prop up Randy Wolfs body. At best, right now he&#8217;s a long reliever who may be forced into starting duty.</p>
<p>Bottom line: There&#8217;s room for a deal. Most tellingly, none of these self-anointed experts, not even the one from France, has disputed a Hughes for Kemp deal with Melky thrown in for good measure. If Nifty Ned were put in a similar position, I don&#8217;t see how he could say no given the woeful state of his farm and the back of his rotation. Pierre for Kemp isn&#8217;t going to cost that team a playoff spot. 200 innings of Randy Wolf&#8217;s dead left arm and uberprospct James McDonald just might. Hughes, and yup, Kennedy too, have already proven they&#8217;re better than any arm the Dodgers have in their farm. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, given the state of the Yankee CF I don&#8217;t care if the Yanks had to cough up Hughes and Betances for Kemp. The chances of both becoming successful major league pitchers is exceedingly small.</p>
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		<title>By: underdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>underdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all, I think I was summoned here by dog whistle. (a whistle that sounds like &quot;Dodgersssss....&quot;) ;-)    Anyhoo,  yes, we at Dodger Thoughts would laugh at an IPK for Matt Kemp trade proposal, or frankly most trade proposals involving Kemp (who is definitely no longer a &quot;prospect.&quot;)  But it&#039;s still a free country, you&#039;re free to make silly trade proposals!  As long as we can laugh at them.    Anyway, doesn&#039;t matter, Kemp is considered untouchable by Dodger management at this point.

It&#039;s definitely true, currently the Dodgers pitching prospects aren&#039;t as high or close as they have been, temporarily at least. Though it depends on how you&#039;re defining prospects; I&#039;d put James McDonald and Scott Elbert (once extremely highly rated, finally made a good comeback after arm surgery last year) up there with most team&#039;s prospects. Both should be on the team this year though so I guess they don&#039;t count as prospects. E Martin and Chris Withrow are talented but def too unproven to put in the conversation anytime soon.   Randy Wolf may only be an average or slightly above avg pitcher (a pretty good #4 imho tho) but he&#039;s also not going to cost them either a draft pick or young player in trade.  Oh yes and Ramon Troncoso is being talked about as a starter, too, he did well in limited action this winter in attempt to convert. The cupboard&#039;s not exactly bare, is the point.

I still like me some Joba, though.

Anyway, we miss you guys over on the Toaster; have to keep reminding myself to stop by here more often.   Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all, I think I was summoned here by dog whistle. (a whistle that sounds like &#8220;Dodgersssss&#8230;.&#8221;) ;-)    Anyhoo,  yes, we at Dodger Thoughts would laugh at an IPK for Matt Kemp trade proposal, or frankly most trade proposals involving Kemp (who is definitely no longer a &#8220;prospect.&#8221;)  But it&#8217;s still a free country, you&#8217;re free to make silly trade proposals!  As long as we can laugh at them.    Anyway, doesn&#8217;t matter, Kemp is considered untouchable by Dodger management at this point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely true, currently the Dodgers pitching prospects aren&#8217;t as high or close as they have been, temporarily at least. Though it depends on how you&#8217;re defining prospects; I&#8217;d put James McDonald and Scott Elbert (once extremely highly rated, finally made a good comeback after arm surgery last year) up there with most team&#8217;s prospects. Both should be on the team this year though so I guess they don&#8217;t count as prospects. E Martin and Chris Withrow are talented but def too unproven to put in the conversation anytime soon.   Randy Wolf may only be an average or slightly above avg pitcher (a pretty good #4 imho tho) but he&#8217;s also not going to cost them either a draft pick or young player in trade.  Oh yes and Ramon Troncoso is being talked about as a starter, too, he did well in limited action this winter in attempt to convert. The cupboard&#8217;s not exactly bare, is the point.</p>
<p>I still like me some Joba, though.</p>
<p>Anyway, we miss you guys over on the Toaster; have to keep reminding myself to stop by here more often.   Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you two get a room .... or six-shooters?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you two get a room &#8230;. or six-shooters?!</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, did you just refer to yourself in the third person!?

BR - out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, did you just refer to yourself in the third person!?</p>
<p>BR &#8211; out!</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 82

And again, you&#039;ve added absolutely nothing of substance.

Any more French words to add, at least?</description>
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<p>And again, you&#8217;ve added absolutely nothing of substance.</p>
<p>Any more French words to add, at least?</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[81]  Like I said, congrats for taking the Banter down a notch.

SHT - out, along with everyone else it would appear.  Have fun talking to yourself.  Too bad there&#039;s no ignore function on this board.

Hey Cliff!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[81]  Like I said, congrats for taking the Banter down a notch.</p>
<p>SHT &#8211; out, along with everyone else it would appear.  Have fun talking to yourself.  Too bad there&#8217;s no ignore function on this board.</p>
<p>Hey Cliff!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@80

Do you ever add anything of substance, or do you just stop by to pretend how smart you are while trying to pick up baseball geeks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@80</p>
<p>Do you ever add anything of substance, or do you just stop by to pretend how smart you are while trying to pick up baseball geeks?</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[76]  Things should get interesting if the Dodger Thoughts crowd are as interested in posting here as they are in reacting volcanically at your trade suggestions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[76]  Things should get interesting if the Dodger Thoughts crowd are as interested in posting here as they are in reacting volcanically at your trade suggestions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again too!</p>
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