I saw the semi-final game between Japan and Korea at Petco park (that Japan won, salvaging Ichiro’s honor) and it was easily one of the best baseball experiences I’ve ever had.

The Korean and Japanese fans were intense without being at all aggressive towards the other team. During a late rain delay, which drove most of the non-partisan fans from the stadium (it *was* a cold night) the Korean fans swarmed into the seats along the 1st base line, where they proceeded to chant and bang thunder sticks, IN THE RAIN, for 45 minutes.

I thoroughly enjoyed the last WBC and I’ll go to either the finals or semi’s again this year.

In the end, I don’t have a problem with sports on an international level. I don’t think they engender the worst aspects of nationalism and jingoism, or cut against the unitive and integrative power of sports anymore than sporting events at lower levels engender the worst aspects of parochialism and regionalised partisanship.

Every Dodger-Giants game I go to, I witness fights and abuse and insults between opposing fans, usually breaking down along racial lines. A Giants fan was knifed and killed by a group of Dodger fans in the parking lot within the last couple of years. That doesn’t sound very supportive of the unitive and integrative power of sports to me, maybe we should ban sporting events between inter and intra state rivals, after all we wouldn’t want to promote the escalation of tension between Northern and Southern California …

Given that athletes are doing a better job of keeping themselves in shape, I’m not surprised that they would be in game shape by the time the WBC rolls around. Even if they didn’t, they have more than enough time to prepare for the tournament beforehand.

Besides, watching the enthusiasm of Japan and Korea as well as being able to watch the Cuba Nat’l team play, is worth the price of admission to me.

This argument I don’t really understand. Baseball is already on a “world stage” inasmuch as it is popular in many countries (not as many as basketball or soccer, but baseball is far less a parochial sport than many critics say). Looking at the 16 nations, most of them are already “good” baseball countries–it is difficult to imagine that the WBC will “grow the game” in the US or Canada or Japan or the Latin countries. Maybe in Italy, which has a very interesting history with baseball, or the Netherlands.

But overall, I don’t see how a tournament played between countries where baseball is already popular is any more a world stage than pro and semi-pro baseball already possesses. It’s comparable to a Cricket tournament whose participants are Australia, UK, India, Pakistan, and the like.

Trying to change his luck, maybe?

As for the WBC specifically, I think it is a terrific event because it gives me the chance to watch high level baseball played by people who really want to win the game. As fun as the laid back atmosphere of spring games can be, I much prefer competitively driven games. Also, while I am sure there are heightened injury risks, it’s not like injuries never occur in Spring Training.

Ultimately, the WBC is a chance for baseball to get on a world stage, and that can only be a good thing. Sure, it could probably be set up better (I would have one week of pool play toward the END of spring training followed by one week of championship round play in lieu of the All Star Game every 4 years), but that doesn’t make it a bad thing.

i almost mentioned in in your write up on the candidates for the bullpen, but robertson couldn’t hit 95 if you shot him from a cannon.

supposedly he was mid-90′s in college, but he consistently sat low 90′s (90-92) in the games i watched last year (almost all of them) last year and that’s pretty much where he’d been scouted.

http://nyyankeesnews.blogspot.com/2008/06/prospect-profile-rhp-david-robertson-24.html

or this quote from a NY Post article last summer.

“It’s interesting to note how Robertson perfected his curve ball. Robertson is on the small side – “I’m 6-foot in spikes,” he says with a laugh – but he is sneaky fast in the 91-92 range. Opposing hitters say it looks more like 97-98.”

I find there to be a line between pride in one’s nation and excessive jingoism, so the organization of the WBC along national boundaries doesn’t bother me. In fact, I can see it promoting some goodwill between some of the participants, as opposed to encouraging hostilities.

Of all the dumb stuff Bud has done, the WBC doesn’t bother me. I kind of like it. Its neat to learn about some of the guys who play in their home nation’s leagues, and those leagues. As long as no Yankee starting pitcher takes part, I have no qualms with it. FWIW, I think playing in the WBC increases the risk of a starting pitcher getting hurt some significant amount.

In fact, as long as the Yanks keep their starting pitchers out of it, it may be an advantage to them, because not all teams will, and someone is bound to be affected by that increased risk.

Your points about the Olympics are true of course, though surely we could find examples to prove the opposite? I wasn’t around then but perhaps OYF or others could enlighten us about the “ping-pong” diplomacy between China and the US back in 1971/2..

“It is my contention that national sports tournaments only reinforce pre-existing national hostilities and not infrequently exacerbate nationalist fervor, actually increasing the chances of real, ugly nationalist actions.”

I would argue that national sports tournaments can also help end such hostility (which would be there regardless of whether there are sporting events) and help encourage healthy competition, rather than aggresive military posturing.

Of course it’s better that nationalism play out in an athletic contest than in a war, but why bother to reinforce nationalism in the first place? Why even have Japan and Korea compete against each other to stir up those old hostilities? How about this idea: a professional ping-pong league where the teams are mixed, made up of Japanese and Koreans and people from other nations.

I just do not get the desire to organize teams on national lines. We would never think (any more) of having teams organize by race or religion.

BTW, you can keep saying small sample size, but the mixture of nationalism and sports, especially sports events organized into national teams, has long been toxic. This includes the US boycotting Olympics, the Soviets boycotting Olympics, American athletes being booed in Greece, Hitler hoping to use the Olympics as a showcase for his regime and the master race, the murder of Israeli olympians in in Munich, the protests over the recent Olympics in China. And that’s just a sampling, from the Olympics.

Lets turn to the World Cup. What about the 1969 “Football War,” arising from a qualifying match between Honduras and El Salvador, or the riots in China in 2004 arising from the Asia Nation Cup v. Japan,

It is my contention that national sports tournaments only reinforce pre-existing national hostilities and not infrequently exacerbate nationalist fervor, actually increasing the chances of real, ugly nationalist actions.

Yes, there is some element of “nationalism” in rooting for your country’s team, but this is not always a terrible thing. I personally would MUCH rather see passion for one’s country expressed in the sporting realm rather than through B-2 bombers flying over the Super Bowl, if you get my drift..

Also, when Japan plays Korea in anything, history rears it’s ugly head..but again, much better at the ping-pong table, ice rink of ball-park than the way they used to express it..

The problem really stems from US sports being so “domestic” for so many years..thankfully the NBA and MLB are finally embracing the international talent.

Im not sure I agree with this assessment. Baseball has long been an international game, and the foreign talent pool grew just fine without some sort of international tournament. Rather, the very best aspired to play in the big show, and at the same time MLB teams put more resources into wider scouting.

Same with the NBA. The pros never played in the Olympics, for example, and yet the sport grew internationally and the talent pool improved. NBA teams started drafting more international players when they could compete at the highest level.

In fact, you mention the “passion” of World Cup games. Why is there so much “passion,” I wonder? What makes it more exciting to root for the same players reconfigured into national teams? It must be, I think, nationalism.

Let me put it another way. How many MLB players have been killed by their fans for committing even a major blunder? Andres Escobar would like to know.

The problem really stems from US sports being so “domestic” for so many years..thankfully the NBA and MLB are finally embracing the international talent. Hopefully I’ll live to see the MLB expand to an Asia-Pacific division including Japan, Korea and Taiwan!

The religious background to Celtic-Rangers in Scotland, and the fascist-socialist dynamic to many Italian league clubs is disturbing for sure, but don’t let that distort your image of all soccer clubs round the world..

For me it’s baseball that is the “beautiful game”, but soccer has grown on me the more I watch it.

I have not, but I have watched world cup games with friends who love the sport ( i find soccer dreadful, but that’s me). They all joked around about the various nationalist and racist chants traditional sung by fans of various teams, from the national down to the club level. And that was before they got into the religiously bigoted chants.

Good times.