<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Yankee Panky: Roid Rage</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/</link>
	<description>Development site for Bronx Banter Blog&#039;s upcoming look and feel</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 08:11:50 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155603</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155603</guid>
		<description>[2] Will, that&#039;s one of the best posts I&#039;ve ever read, anywhere. In looking at the scope of what&#039;s going on in the newspaper industry, with budgets getting slashed as deficits increase (the Rocky Mountain News just folded), fewer reporters will be traveling abroad to get to the nuts and bolts of stories like the ones described, and it&#039;s a shame. We all lose because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] Will, that&#8217;s one of the best posts I&#8217;ve ever read, anywhere. In looking at the scope of what&#8217;s going on in the newspaper industry, with budgets getting slashed as deficits increase (the Rocky Mountain News just folded), fewer reporters will be traveling abroad to get to the nuts and bolts of stories like the ones described, and it&#8217;s a shame. We all lose because of it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155602</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155602</guid>
		<description>[9] Agreed on journalists taking the long view. I expected more from the investigative groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[9] Agreed on journalists taking the long view. I expected more from the investigative groups.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155601</link>
		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155601</guid>
		<description>[4] really interesting link. I have been arguing that a lot of what is going down now is about the times, the culture, and I agree with Chyll that an industry is being formed to benefit. I also have been saying that this is way too baseball-focused a crusade, that baseball is way ahead of the other sports (under pressure, not by choice) in working on it.

But the question those old articles raise - aside from how shabby the journalists are today, to pretend this is all new (&quot;I&#039;m shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in Rick&#039;s!&quot;) - is why we&#039;d pillory Bonds and McGwire and Sosa for sins that it is almost a dead cert were committed (with amphetamines, primarily, but not only) by our heroes of the 60s and 70s. Read the link to the quote from the SURGEON (he uses caps too, Alex, forgive me!) of the Cardinals, and think about Gibson, then Mays and Aaron, and what about Koufax, who was in such brutal pain all the time? Think he passed on what Denny McLain admits he used?

What we need, seems to me, is some journalists to step up and take that long view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] really interesting link. I have been arguing that a lot of what is going down now is about the times, the culture, and I agree with Chyll that an industry is being formed to benefit. I also have been saying that this is way too baseball-focused a crusade, that baseball is way ahead of the other sports (under pressure, not by choice) in working on it.</p>
<p>But the question those old articles raise &#8211; aside from how shabby the journalists are today, to pretend this is all new (&#8220;I&#8217;m shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in Rick&#8217;s!&#8221;) &#8211; is why we&#8217;d pillory Bonds and McGwire and Sosa for sins that it is almost a dead cert were committed (with amphetamines, primarily, but not only) by our heroes of the 60s and 70s. Read the link to the quote from the SURGEON (he uses caps too, Alex, forgive me!) of the Cardinals, and think about Gibson, then Mays and Aaron, and what about Koufax, who was in such brutal pain all the time? Think he passed on what Denny McLain admits he used?</p>
<p>What we need, seems to me, is some journalists to step up and take that long view.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rbj</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155600</link>
		<dc:creator>rbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155600</guid>
		<description>Re: 42/104, I think it is that 104 players tested positive, and now I assume that 42 were Latino.  Still doesn&#039;t answer the question of how does the reporter know that there were 42 Latinos on the list.  Obviously someone knows who all the players are, but decided to release only one name.

Good post Will, I agree with it.  There were lots of players using lots of PEDs (and not just steroids) for a long time, with complicity between players and management.  And the media.  And even fans to a degree.
increase in steroid use came about with increased attendance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 42/104, I think it is that 104 players tested positive, and now I assume that 42 were Latino.  Still doesn&#8217;t answer the question of how does the reporter know that there were 42 Latinos on the list.  Obviously someone knows who all the players are, but decided to release only one name.</p>
<p>Good post Will, I agree with it.  There were lots of players using lots of PEDs (and not just steroids) for a long time, with complicity between players and management.  And the media.  And even fans to a degree.<br />
increase in steroid use came about with increased attendance.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: CountZero</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155599</link>
		<dc:creator>CountZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155599</guid>
		<description>[2] Terrific analysis. 

&quot;In fact, a lot more people will increase their financial/political wealth on the chase than by the end result.&quot;

Insightful, and undoubtedly true.

&quot;As a fan, these people do not speak to me or for me.&quot;

Me either. Thanks for putting that so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] Terrific analysis. </p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, a lot more people will increase their financial/political wealth on the chase than by the end result.&#8221;</p>
<p>Insightful, and undoubtedly true.</p>
<p>&#8220;As a fan, these people do not speak to me or for me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me either. Thanks for putting that so well.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Just Fair</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155598</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155598</guid>
		<description>[2] Hear, Hear.  If 99% of today&#039;s columnists had to toil away in some 3rd world country scratching their nonsense in the dirt with sticks, I am quite sure they might pop a pill or two if they knew they would have a better chance of writing something coherent.  And in a cozy office no less.  With pay.  And fame.  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] Hear, Hear.  If 99% of today&#8217;s columnists had to toil away in some 3rd world country scratching their nonsense in the dirt with sticks, I am quite sure they might pop a pill or two if they knew they would have a better chance of writing something coherent.  And in a cozy office no less.  With pay.  And fame.  etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155597</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155597</guid>
		<description>[4] To quote Bill Cosby, &lt;i&gt;&quot;We are dumb, but we are not so dumb...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  &gt;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] To quote Bill Cosby, <i>&#8220;We are dumb, but we are not so dumb&#8230;&#8221;</i>  &gt;;)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155596</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155596</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536&amp;cp=1#comment-92914&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt; Chyll, that was, wow.  One of the best-written comments I&#039;ve ever seen on the Banter.

I would like to know when all the people who spent hours and content space on A-Rod are going to discuss &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2009/02/20/history-lesson-3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what John Perricone uncovered from 1969 (simply by doing a search in SI&#039;s archives!)&lt;/a&gt;, which has not been widely reported or commented on.  Though, to his credit, &lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3926544&amp;name=gammons_peter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Gammons&lt;/a&gt; put it in front of his audience, and added some nuanced analysis too.

After reading Perricone, and Gilbert&#039;s article, I think its safe to say the so-called &quot;Steriods Era&quot; extends back a lot further than 1993.  I have no real evidence, or even any suspicions to go on in saying this - but how do we know that, just to a pick a name from history - I&#039;ll use a guy with unreal longevity and health, who was a noted workout fiend, and did amazing things at an advanced baseball age, things that few, if any, others in history have done - Nolan Ryan never used steroids?  The circumstantial evidence and arguments - including the ridiculous ones - that many use and used to indict Barry Bonds could be applied to Ryan as well.  Its not like steroids were non-existent or unknown at the time.

But then again, the all-time strikeout record isn&#039;t quite as revered as the all-time home run record, and everybody loved Nolan (well, except for maybe Robin Ventura).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536&amp;cp=1#comment-92914" rel="nofollow">[2]</a> Chyll, that was, wow.  One of the best-written comments I&#8217;ve ever seen on the Banter.</p>
<p>I would like to know when all the people who spent hours and content space on A-Rod are going to discuss <a href="http://www.onlybaseballmatters.com/archives/2009/02/20/history-lesson-3/" rel="nofollow">what John Perricone uncovered from 1969 (simply by doing a search in SI&#8217;s archives!)</a>, which has not been widely reported or commented on.  Though, to his credit, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3926544&amp;name=gammons_peter" rel="nofollow">Peter Gammons</a> put it in front of his audience, and added some nuanced analysis too.</p>
<p>After reading Perricone, and Gilbert&#8217;s article, I think its safe to say the so-called &#8220;Steriods Era&#8221; extends back a lot further than 1993.  I have no real evidence, or even any suspicions to go on in saying this &#8211; but how do we know that, just to a pick a name from history &#8211; I&#8217;ll use a guy with unreal longevity and health, who was a noted workout fiend, and did amazing things at an advanced baseball age, things that few, if any, others in history have done &#8211; Nolan Ryan never used steroids?  The circumstantial evidence and arguments &#8211; including the ridiculous ones &#8211; that many use and used to indict Barry Bonds could be applied to Ryan as well.  Its not like steroids were non-existent or unknown at the time.</p>
<p>But then again, the all-time strikeout record isn&#8217;t quite as revered as the all-time home run record, and everybody loved Nolan (well, except for maybe Robin Ventura).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155595</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155595</guid>
		<description>[1]  Actually, I agree.  And why not lock these guys in gated communities and control their every movement with compulsory fines for not following the most stringent of rules, like they do in the NBA, NFL and the Army (actually, they lock you up or shoot you in the Army).  The physical risks include an aspect that makes them a danger to the public, so quarantine might be the answer.  The athletes can live in a Park Hill biodome and have their needs met, as long as they are kept a safe distance from the general public for each others&#039; sake.  Hey, gotta sacrifice to get to the top, right?  &gt;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1]  Actually, I agree.  And why not lock these guys in gated communities and control their every movement with compulsory fines for not following the most stringent of rules, like they do in the NBA, NFL and the Army (actually, they lock you up or shoot you in the Army).  The physical risks include an aspect that makes them a danger to the public, so quarantine might be the answer.  The athletes can live in a Park Hill biodome and have their needs met, as long as they are kept a safe distance from the general public for each others&#8217; sake.  Hey, gotta sacrifice to get to the top, right?  &gt;;)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155594</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155594</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m afraid we might see a lot more commentary at first from journalists, good and not so good, who because of size restrictions, a lack of perspective, lack of initiative, lack of access or even laziness (perhaps prejudice) who will write about the Dominican Republic in generalized terms, misinforming or understating the issues that surround the prevalence in their country and it&#039;s relation to today&#039;s so-called scandal.  I anticipate at least a couple of weeks of shrill, embarrassing commentary from certain outlets before the serious investigation begins, either by someone in Congress or by a media outlet willing to invest the time and money it will take to really explore it.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8150&amp;cp=1#comment-92369&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I wondered in one of Diane&#039;s posts &lt;/a&gt; what many journalists thought about countries that pretty much allowed steroids and steroid use. Maybe we&#039;re about to find out, but it&#039;s obviously much trickier an issue than one would suspect, because as O&#039;Keefe said, some if not many Dominican athletes will do anything to get off the island; and to be honest with you, the U.S. does encourage the mindset that only the strong survive and kinda remains mum on how many people who reach the top actually get there (until someone finds out it was by major crook).  Even in those cases, history usually vindicates even those individuals (The robber barons of the 19-20th century, for example) and the common man is nothing more than dust. Ponzi is practically folklore now, what will be said about Madoff?

My point being, few people in the next generation or two will care who those 104 players are, and unless the countries involved take a scalpel to their brain-stamped principles, none of this amounts to anything more than a tempest in a teapot. In fact, a lot more people will increase their financial/political wealth on the chase than by the end result.  The stink hanging over the game has as much to do with the journalists and politicians pursuing their own agendas as it does with the principals in MLB.  What&#039;s worse is they won&#039;t accept or even acknowledge their own responsibility, while they demand remorse, remission and repercussions.  As a fan, these people do not speak to me or for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid we might see a lot more commentary at first from journalists, good and not so good, who because of size restrictions, a lack of perspective, lack of initiative, lack of access or even laziness (perhaps prejudice) who will write about the Dominican Republic in generalized terms, misinforming or understating the issues that surround the prevalence in their country and it&#8217;s relation to today&#8217;s so-called scandal.  I anticipate at least a couple of weeks of shrill, embarrassing commentary from certain outlets before the serious investigation begins, either by someone in Congress or by a media outlet willing to invest the time and money it will take to really explore it.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8150&amp;cp=1#comment-92369" rel="nofollow">I wondered in one of Diane&#8217;s posts </a> what many journalists thought about countries that pretty much allowed steroids and steroid use. Maybe we&#8217;re about to find out, but it&#8217;s obviously much trickier an issue than one would suspect, because as O&#8217;Keefe said, some if not many Dominican athletes will do anything to get off the island; and to be honest with you, the U.S. does encourage the mindset that only the strong survive and kinda remains mum on how many people who reach the top actually get there (until someone finds out it was by major crook).  Even in those cases, history usually vindicates even those individuals (The robber barons of the 19-20th century, for example) and the common man is nothing more than dust. Ponzi is practically folklore now, what will be said about Madoff?</p>
<p>My point being, few people in the next generation or two will care who those 104 players are, and unless the countries involved take a scalpel to their brain-stamped principles, none of this amounts to anything more than a tempest in a teapot. In fact, a lot more people will increase their financial/political wealth on the chase than by the end result.  The stink hanging over the game has as much to do with the journalists and politicians pursuing their own agendas as it does with the principals in MLB.  What&#8217;s worse is they won&#8217;t accept or even acknowledge their own responsibility, while they demand remorse, remission and repercussions.  As a fan, these people do not speak to me or for me.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ajax</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/02/27/yankee-panky-roid-rage/#comment-155593</link>
		<dc:creator>ajax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=8536#comment-155593</guid>
		<description>There&#039;s a funny piece on Alex and steroids on The Huffington Post.  A totally different view.  If get a chance check it out.   The link 
www.huffingtonpost.com/john-debellis/a-rod-and-juice-ball_b_168451.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a funny piece on Alex and steroids on The Huffington Post.  A totally different view.  If get a chance check it out.   The link<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-debellis/a-rod-and-juice-ball_b_168451.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-debellis/a-rod-and-juice-ball_b_168451.html</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
