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		<title>By: Dockside Courtesies</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/03/12/disturbia/comment-page-1/#comment-93981</link>
		<dc:creator>Dockside Courtesies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this anecdote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;...Bobby Botz, a soft, white, plump little man who resembled &quot;Spanky&quot; in &quot;Our Gang,&quot; and was just as abrasive. Botz was 26 years old and a proven Triple-A pitcher, although his best fastball would not bruise a baby&#039;s skin. He compensated for his lack of speed by developing pinpoint control, which was sufficient to bring him to the major leagues for a month... before he returned permanently to the minors.  Botz would learn nothing at Bradenton... nor did he expect to. He had come only to give his wife a vacation, which, he hoped, would help her forget her recent miscarriage. Bobby never talked about the miscarriage, although he never tired of telling us about his and his wife&#039;s sexual encounters, which he detailed so graphically in the clubhouse each morning that it never failed to embarass me. Bobby took nothing seriously. His humor was acerbic and mostly carnal in nature. He equated the deficiency of his fastball with a deficiency in the length of his penis. He would point to a well-endowed teammate stepping from the shower and say, to our delight and that teammate&#039;s blushes, &quot;Jesus, if only I had one like &#039;The Snake&#039; there -- what a fastball I&#039;d have!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s from p. 210 of an old edition of Pat Jordan&#039;s &lt;i&gt;A False Spring&lt;/i&gt;, which has more than a few biting comments about minor league players, coaches and managers.

I wonder if Alex&#039;s friend, Mr. Jordan, has an opinion about the McCarthy-&lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; dust-up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this anecdote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;Bobby Botz, a soft, white, plump little man who resembled &#8220;Spanky&#8221; in &#8220;Our Gang,&#8221; and was just as abrasive. Botz was 26 years old and a proven Triple-A pitcher, although his best fastball would not bruise a baby&#8217;s skin. He compensated for his lack of speed by developing pinpoint control, which was sufficient to bring him to the major leagues for a month&#8230; before he returned permanently to the minors.  Botz would learn nothing at Bradenton&#8230; nor did he expect to. He had come only to give his wife a vacation, which, he hoped, would help her forget her recent miscarriage. Bobby never talked about the miscarriage, although he never tired of telling us about his and his wife&#8217;s sexual encounters, which he detailed so graphically in the clubhouse each morning that it never failed to embarass me. Bobby took nothing seriously. His humor was acerbic and mostly carnal in nature. He equated the deficiency of his fastball with a deficiency in the length of his penis. He would point to a well-endowed teammate stepping from the shower and say, to our delight and that teammate&#8217;s blushes, &#8220;Jesus, if only I had one like &#8216;The Snake&#8217; there &#8212; what a fastball I&#8217;d have!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s from p. 210 of an old edition of Pat Jordan&#8217;s <i>A False Spring</i>, which has more than a few biting comments about minor league players, coaches and managers.</p>
<p>I wonder if Alex&#8217;s friend, Mr. Jordan, has an opinion about the McCarthy-<i>Times</i> dust-up?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, is it true that Schwarz is a baseball statisitcs guy and that he wrote a book on the subject?...In his review of Odd Man Out he failed to reveal this conflict of interest. Now I understand professional jealousy, but using the New York Times as a bullypulpit for ones perspective is over the top... By the tone of his review it is obvious he never snapped a towel in a locker room...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, is it true that Schwarz is a baseball statisitcs guy and that he wrote a book on the subject?&#8230;In his review of Odd Man Out he failed to reveal this conflict of interest. Now I understand professional jealousy, but using the New York Times as a bullypulpit for ones perspective is over the top&#8230; By the tone of his review it is obvious he never snapped a towel in a locker room&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jason17</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this guy Kotchman was tough based on what McCarthy wrote about him in the book, but outside of the book, he&#039;s proven to be a big baby, crying just like McCarthy says Reagins did.  The whole Angels organization just seems to be crying about stuff that&#039;s not even a big deal at all.  I honestly thought the Angels were cool based on the stuff in the book, but now they just seem like a loser organization.  Now I&#039;m really wondering why Kotchman has that &quot;rally penis.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this guy Kotchman was tough based on what McCarthy wrote about him in the book, but outside of the book, he&#8217;s proven to be a big baby, crying just like McCarthy says Reagins did.  The whole Angels organization just seems to be crying about stuff that&#8217;s not even a big deal at all.  I honestly thought the Angels were cool based on the stuff in the book, but now they just seem like a loser organization.  Now I&#8217;m really wondering why Kotchman has that &#8220;rally penis.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[17] yes, wayyyy beyond &quot;careless&quot; mistakes here..but where were the editors on this?? i don&#039;t know much about the publishing industry but seems someone fell asleep on this..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[17] yes, wayyyy beyond &#8220;careless&#8221; mistakes here..but where were the editors on this?? i don&#8217;t know much about the publishing industry but seems someone fell asleep on this..</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is even further afield from the Yankees than we have been getting lately, but ...

Alex I honestly don&#039;t see why you worry that McCarthy&#039;s fables set some unreasonably high bar for other writers. I&#039;d say unmasking him as dishonest a fiction writer reaffirms the standards that ought to apply to all non-fiction writers. I&#039;d also think that &#039;carelessness&#039; is a very generous word to use. Was he truly careless, or was he sexing up a story to get to the bestseller list? If the latter, then the analogy to Frey is closer than it looks at first.

I admit I also find it a bit unfair to go after the reporter here because the newspaper has had issues in the past of ... well, let&#039;s say more than carelessness! 

In fact, as I think about it, those attacking Schwartz this way are kind of making Alex&#039;s point ... the lies of some end up reducing the credibility of all. 

There is no real reason to doubt Schwartz&#039;s indignation and even outrage at McCarthy (and his publicist&#039;s) &#039;handling&#039; of the post-interview sequence. In fact, I believe the reporter on this flat-out, simply because it is so basic a process. He loses nothing by allowing the interview subject to offer additions or clarifications here ... the interview is done, the heart of the story (which is in the book and the facts that refute it) isn&#039;t going to change at that late hour. McCarthy saying he was denied a chance to rebut AFTER the interview based on his misrepresentations is really lame, and suggests spinning, big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is even further afield from the Yankees than we have been getting lately, but &#8230;</p>
<p>Alex I honestly don&#8217;t see why you worry that McCarthy&#8217;s fables set some unreasonably high bar for other writers. I&#8217;d say unmasking him as dishonest a fiction writer reaffirms the standards that ought to apply to all non-fiction writers. I&#8217;d also think that &#8216;carelessness&#8217; is a very generous word to use. Was he truly careless, or was he sexing up a story to get to the bestseller list? If the latter, then the analogy to Frey is closer than it looks at first.</p>
<p>I admit I also find it a bit unfair to go after the reporter here because the newspaper has had issues in the past of &#8230; well, let&#8217;s say more than carelessness! </p>
<p>In fact, as I think about it, those attacking Schwartz this way are kind of making Alex&#8217;s point &#8230; the lies of some end up reducing the credibility of all. </p>
<p>There is no real reason to doubt Schwartz&#8217;s indignation and even outrage at McCarthy (and his publicist&#8217;s) &#8216;handling&#8217; of the post-interview sequence. In fact, I believe the reporter on this flat-out, simply because it is so basic a process. He loses nothing by allowing the interview subject to offer additions or clarifications here &#8230; the interview is done, the heart of the story (which is in the book and the facts that refute it) isn&#8217;t going to change at that late hour. McCarthy saying he was denied a chance to rebut AFTER the interview based on his misrepresentations is really lame, and suggests spinning, big time.</p>
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		<title>By: randym77</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, having read the Times article and this post again...I don&#039;t see anything wrong with the tone of the article.  I really didn&#039;t see where it got personal or anything.  

I think McCarthy is being seriously disingenuous, trying to cast this as just mistakes in remembering box scores.  It&#039;s a lot more than that.  Claiming that the manager ordered retaliation for two HBPs...when the box score showed no batters were hit on either team, in the entire series?  That&#039;s not a misremembered box score, that&#039;s totally made up.

And he wouldn&#039;t show his supposed journals to the reporter.  Why not?  If it was an honest mistake, why not put your cards on the table?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, having read the Times article and this post again&#8230;I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with the tone of the article.  I really didn&#8217;t see where it got personal or anything.  </p>
<p>I think McCarthy is being seriously disingenuous, trying to cast this as just mistakes in remembering box scores.  It&#8217;s a lot more than that.  Claiming that the manager ordered retaliation for two HBPs&#8230;when the box score showed no batters were hit on either team, in the entire series?  That&#8217;s not a misremembered box score, that&#8217;s totally made up.</p>
<p>And he wouldn&#8217;t show his supposed journals to the reporter.  Why not?  If it was an honest mistake, why not put your cards on the table?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe in the minority here but I thought McCarthy comes off very weak in the interview with Alex..also,  the Times&#039; past transgressions (Blair, Judith Miller, etc) has no relevance here. (note: I don&#039;t think it&#039;s bringing partisan politics into it to say that many newspapers and tv networks wish they could have a do-over on the events leading up to the Iraq-war, not just the Times..)

also, i don&#039;t see any personal attacks by Schwarz in his comments...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe in the minority here but I thought McCarthy comes off very weak in the interview with Alex..also,  the Times&#8217; past transgressions (Blair, Judith Miller, etc) has no relevance here. (note: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s bringing partisan politics into it to say that many newspapers and tv networks wish they could have a do-over on the events leading up to the Iraq-war, not just the Times..)</p>
<p>also, i don&#8217;t see any personal attacks by Schwarz in his comments&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: randym77</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[13] Uh, boy.  I have to agree.  That is not what I would call a nitpicky error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[13] Uh, boy.  I have to agree.  That is not what I would call a nitpicky error.</p>
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		<title>By: Dockside Courtesies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[9] jonnystrongleg wrote: &lt;blockquote&gt;re: the Larry King incident.

The Times made it seem like McCarthy quoted Matt Brown (a player who wasn&#039;t there) making profane threats to King&#039;s kid. McCarthy makes it seem like he included him in a list of people who got punched in the nads.

If it&#039;s the latter, I agree that could be seen as nit-picking.

But, if it&#039;s the former, and this is all McCarthy has to offer to clear the air, I&#039;d be disappointed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The punching incident is on p. 173 of the book, where McCarthy writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A few of my teammates were brought to their knees just minutes before game time.

&quot;That little bastard!&quot; mumbled Matt Brown, a baby-faced third baseman from Idaho, as he lay doubled over on the dugout floor. &quot;I&#039;m gonna kill that little shit.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


On this point, at least, the Times has it right.  Although probably not slander in the legal sense, McCarthy landed a very low blow indeed (no pun intended) by falsely putting those words in Brown&#039;s mouth.  He owes Brown, at least, an apology, and the passage should be corrected.  

Moreover, McCarthy&#039;s obfuscating defense - admitting a trivial error to divert attention from a much larger mistake - strikes me as really quite slippery, if not downright shady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[9] jonnystrongleg wrote:<br />
<blockquote>re: the Larry King incident.</p>
<p>The Times made it seem like McCarthy quoted Matt Brown (a player who wasn&#8217;t there) making profane threats to King&#8217;s kid. McCarthy makes it seem like he included him in a list of people who got punched in the nads.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s the latter, I agree that could be seen as nit-picking.</p>
<p>But, if it&#8217;s the former, and this is all McCarthy has to offer to clear the air, I&#8217;d be disappointed.</p></blockquote>
<p>The punching incident is on p. 173 of the book, where McCarthy writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>A few of my teammates were brought to their knees just minutes before game time.</p>
<p>&#8220;That little bastard!&#8221; mumbled Matt Brown, a baby-faced third baseman from Idaho, as he lay doubled over on the dugout floor. &#8220;I&#8217;m gonna kill that little shit.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>On this point, at least, the Times has it right.  Although probably not slander in the legal sense, McCarthy landed a very low blow indeed (no pun intended) by falsely putting those words in Brown&#8217;s mouth.  He owes Brown, at least, an apology, and the passage should be corrected.  </p>
<p>Moreover, McCarthy&#8217;s obfuscating defense &#8211; admitting a trivial error to divert attention from a much larger mistake &#8211; strikes me as really quite slippery, if not downright shady.</p>
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		<title>By: Eirias</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this, Alex. I&#039;ve been curious as to what your reaction would be ever since I read the Times piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this, Alex. I&#8217;ve been curious as to what your reaction would be ever since I read the Times piece.</p>
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