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		<title>By: Yankster</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163958</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[14] [16] 
Diane,
Thanks for the great links into Gardner&#039;s Baseball Reference data. 

Just using Gardner&#039;s 2009 stats (which results in numbers with basically no statistical significance because there are so few PA at each count) Gardner is better with two strikes than he is without two strikes with the exception of being 0-2.

After having each of the following counts, these are his numbers:*
0-2: PA 8 BA .143 OBP .250 OPS .536
1-2: PA 17 BA .267 OBP .294 OPS .694
2-2: PA 18 BA .294 OBP .333 OPS .686
3-2: PA 9 BA .250 OBP .333 OPS .583

Compared to his 2009 Season Average: 
PA 65 BA .220 OBP .254 OPS .525

And for a little fun comparison, two strike BA
A-rod&#039;s for 2008: .228
Gardner&#039;s season to date .212
Melky&#039;s 2008 .158
Jeter&#039;s season to date: .263

* The &quot;after two strikes&quot; stat apparently gets counted repeatedly in the same at bat, so if I&#039;m 0-2 and then it becomes 1-2 the PA gets counted again, so you can&#039;t total the plate appearances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[14] [16]<br />
Diane,<br />
Thanks for the great links into Gardner&#8217;s Baseball Reference data. </p>
<p>Just using Gardner&#8217;s 2009 stats (which results in numbers with basically no statistical significance because there are so few PA at each count) Gardner is better with two strikes than he is without two strikes with the exception of being 0-2.</p>
<p>After having each of the following counts, these are his numbers:*<br />
0-2: PA 8 BA .143 OBP .250 OPS .536<br />
1-2: PA 17 BA .267 OBP .294 OPS .694<br />
2-2: PA 18 BA .294 OBP .333 OPS .686<br />
3-2: PA 9 BA .250 OBP .333 OPS .583</p>
<p>Compared to his 2009 Season Average:<br />
PA 65 BA .220 OBP .254 OPS .525</p>
<p>And for a little fun comparison, two strike BA<br />
A-rod&#8217;s for 2008: .228<br />
Gardner&#8217;s season to date .212<br />
Melky&#8217;s 2008 .158<br />
Jeter&#8217;s season to date: .263</p>
<p>* The &#8220;after two strikes&#8221; stat apparently gets counted repeatedly in the same at bat, so if I&#8217;m 0-2 and then it becomes 1-2 the PA gets counted again, so you can&#8217;t total the plate appearances.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163957</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] I find it highly ironic that his lauding and magnifying the &quot;genius&quot; within the Red Sox in recent years, in addition to the &quot;tragedy&quot; that is the Yankees FO, has been met with a faulty microphone...

Randy Levine really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; quite powerful, isn&#039;t he?

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] I find it highly ironic that his lauding and magnifying the &#8220;genius&#8221; within the Red Sox in recent years, in addition to the &#8220;tragedy&#8221; that is the Yankees FO, has been met with a faulty microphone&#8230;</p>
<p>Randy Levine really <i>is</i> quite powerful, isn&#8217;t he?<br />
 <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163956</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Francesa sure took this weekend hard. Usually he poo-poos panic, but he&#039;s hit that button himself it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Francesa sure took this weekend hard. Usually he poo-poos panic, but he&#8217;s hit that button himself it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: newbs</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163955</link>
		<dc:creator>newbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A disappointing weekend, for sure, but at least we get the Emma Span recap.  That brightened up my Monday a little bit.  Plus my son went to his first MLB game and got to see Giambi&#039;s first HR of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A disappointing weekend, for sure, but at least we get the Emma Span recap.  That brightened up my Monday a little bit.  Plus my son went to his first MLB game and got to see Giambi&#8217;s first HR of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163954</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[24] It&#039;s the &quot;George Carlin&quot; in me. It can also be a defense mechanism I have, as I try desperately to follow this Yankees team in a positive and productive fashion.

Also, when I was much younger, I helped to raise &lt;i&gt;four&lt;/i&gt; litters of dogs (Doberman Pinschers), including a litter of &lt;i&gt;ten&lt;/i&gt;...

: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[24] It&#8217;s the &#8220;George Carlin&#8221; in me. It can also be a defense mechanism I have, as I try desperately to follow this Yankees team in a positive and productive fashion.</p>
<p>Also, when I was much younger, I helped to raise <i>four</i> litters of dogs (Doberman Pinschers), including a litter of <i>ten</i>&#8230;</p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163953</link>
		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This weekend was exactly what I feared. I don&#039;t think it means anything in the long run, but when everyone was trumpeting the Yanks record and saying, &quot;look, they are three games over despite not having A-Rod and 3 of the losses being Wang&#039;s,&quot; I was pointing out how bad everyone else was basically playing too.

And here we are, back at .500 yet again. Ahh, the joys of April Yankee baseball</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This weekend was exactly what I feared. I don&#8217;t think it means anything in the long run, but when everyone was trumpeting the Yanks record and saying, &#8220;look, they are three games over despite not having A-Rod and 3 of the losses being Wang&#8217;s,&#8221; I was pointing out how bad everyone else was basically playing too.</p>
<p>And here we are, back at .500 yet again. Ahh, the joys of April Yankee baseball</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163952</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt Melky had a terrible year last year, or else we wouldn&#039;t be contending with Gardner now (most likely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt Melky had a terrible year last year, or else we wouldn&#8217;t be contending with Gardner now (most likely).</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163951</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankee CFs OPS+ for single season, minimum 100 games played in season:
http://www.bb-ref.com/play-index/shareit/F5eZ

(You&#039;ll notice Melky&#039;s 2008 at the bottom of that list)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankee CFs OPS+ for single season, minimum 100 games played in season:<br />
<a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/play-index/shareit/F5eZ" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/play-index/shareit/F5eZ</a></p>
<p>(You&#8217;ll notice Melky&#8217;s 2008 at the bottom of that list)</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163950</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[23]

You are weird ...

(Fortunately, I find that a wonderful attribute) :-)</description>
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<p>You are weird &#8230;</p>
<p>(Fortunately, I find that a wonderful attribute) <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163949</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[5] I&#039;d be more inclined to teach Hank how to play catch with and retrieve a Frisbee, which can be easily done by feeding him out of one. As he ages however, his permanent teeth and increased jaw strength will create jagged marks and holes in them, which make the edges too sharp to handle and catch, and the toys have to be replaced more often.

Fun has &lt;i&gt;it&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; price too, I&#039;m afraid.

Besides, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s even housebroken yet...

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[5] I&#8217;d be more inclined to teach Hank how to play catch with and retrieve a Frisbee, which can be easily done by feeding him out of one. As he ages however, his permanent teeth and increased jaw strength will create jagged marks and holes in them, which make the edges too sharp to handle and catch, and the toys have to be replaced more often.</p>
<p>Fun has <i>it&#8217;s</i> price too, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>Besides, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s even housebroken yet&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163948</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPS+ for CFers age 25 or younger, in their first or second seasons, since 1961.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/Cbu2

FYI, Gardner&#039;s OPS+ for his career is 48.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPS+ for CFers age 25 or younger, in their first or second seasons, since 1961.<br />
<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/Cbu2" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/Cbu2</a></p>
<p>FYI, Gardner&#8217;s OPS+ for his career is 48.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163947</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t sit here and pretend I&#039;m objective. I don&#039;t like him. He bugs me. Of course he wouldn&#039;t so much  if he were effective. 

But even allowing for my bias, I think there&#039;s an easier con argument than pro in regards to the &quot;gritty&quot; lad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t sit here and pretend I&#8217;m objective. I don&#8217;t like him. He bugs me. Of course he wouldn&#8217;t so much  if he were effective. </p>
<p>But even allowing for my bias, I think there&#8217;s an easier con argument than pro in regards to the &#8220;gritty&#8221; lad.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163946</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18]

For comparison sake, here is the American League 2009 season-to-date splits based on count:
http://tinyurl.com/d7bhrx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18]</p>
<p>For comparison sake, here is the American League 2009 season-to-date splits based on count:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/d7bhrx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/d7bhrx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163945</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18]

You&#039;re sort of right .... when his AB is decided on the pitch IMMEDIATELY AFTER an 0-2 count, he&#039;s 0-17.

However, a little lower down on that chart is &quot;After 0-2&quot;, which encompasses ALL pitches after that count, and he bats .147 in those circumstances (no one does that well down 0-2, though)</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re sort of right &#8230;. when his AB is decided on the pitch IMMEDIATELY AFTER an 0-2 count, he&#8217;s 0-17.</p>
<p>However, a little lower down on that chart is &#8220;After 0-2&#8243;, which encompasses ALL pitches after that count, and he bats .147 in those circumstances (no one does that well down 0-2, though)</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163944</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I read that right, Gardner hasn&#039;t yet gotten on base with an 0-2 count, in 17 ABs. Essentially, two strikes and he&#039;s out. Yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I read that right, Gardner hasn&#8217;t yet gotten on base with an 0-2 count, in 17 ABs. Essentially, two strikes and he&#8217;s out. Yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163943</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Power pitchers have their way with Gardner ...
http://tinyurl.com/cqnoyl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Power pitchers have their way with Gardner &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/cqnoyl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cqnoyl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163942</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[14]

Gardner pitch-by-pitch stats:
http://tinyurl.com/dg5qmp</description>
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<p>Gardner pitch-by-pitch stats:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/dg5qmp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/dg5qmp</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163941</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[14] I haven&#039;t observed what you have necessarily but I think it makes sense that he not be too aggressive, since he isn&#039;t a good hitter and has little power. 

In general, I&#039;ve seen enough of the guy. What few moments he&#039;s had have seemed unconvincing to me. It just appears that he&#039;s maxed out and there&#039;s not much there. Melky at least might have a little room to grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[14] I haven&#8217;t observed what you have necessarily but I think it makes sense that he not be too aggressive, since he isn&#8217;t a good hitter and has little power. </p>
<p>In general, I&#8217;ve seen enough of the guy. What few moments he&#8217;s had have seemed unconvincing to me. It just appears that he&#8217;s maxed out and there&#8217;s not much there. Melky at least might have a little room to grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankster</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/04/27/lost-weekend-2/#comment-163940</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to throw out a theory: 

Gardner is guessing pitches with his first two strikes and when he gets fooled, which is often, his swing and the amount by which he misses is literally viscerally embarrassing to fans. A-Rod actually had several swings with no strikes last year that looked this way - missing a ball with a big swing by three or more inches. On the other hand, with two strikes he totally changes his approach. 

Gardner&#039;s swing becomes much shorter, he shifts his weight less, and he seems to be fully reactive. I know everyone changes their approach with two strikes, but to me Gardner looks like a different player. And, in my opinion, the swings with two strikes play much more to the strengths of his game (such, as as few as they are). He seems to make much better contact, actually fights off a few pitches, and with his infield outs at least gives his legs a chance to make a play (and the defense a chance to botch it).

In other words, what do you think of the idea that Gardner would benefit from defending the plate rather than trying to get a hit?

Newbie stats question: What&#039;s the best place for me to get pitch by pitch stats for Gardner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to throw out a theory: </p>
<p>Gardner is guessing pitches with his first two strikes and when he gets fooled, which is often, his swing and the amount by which he misses is literally viscerally embarrassing to fans. A-Rod actually had several swings with no strikes last year that looked this way &#8211; missing a ball with a big swing by three or more inches. On the other hand, with two strikes he totally changes his approach. </p>
<p>Gardner&#8217;s swing becomes much shorter, he shifts his weight less, and he seems to be fully reactive. I know everyone changes their approach with two strikes, but to me Gardner looks like a different player. And, in my opinion, the swings with two strikes play much more to the strengths of his game (such, as as few as they are). He seems to make much better contact, actually fights off a few pitches, and with his infield outs at least gives his legs a chance to make a play (and the defense a chance to botch it).</p>
<p>In other words, what do you think of the idea that Gardner would benefit from defending the plate rather than trying to get a hit?</p>
<p>Newbie stats question: What&#8217;s the best place for me to get pitch by pitch stats for Gardner?</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8]

The Yanks DID score 11 of those 15 runs in one game .... (just sayin&#039;)</description>
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<p>The Yanks DID score 11 of those 15 runs in one game &#8230;. (just sayin&#8217;)</p>
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