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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169462</link>
		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit, wrong thread.</description>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169461</link>
		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you&#039;d like if someone was hitting .198 they&#039;d really be pressing.</description>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169460</link>
		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 69

Wahoo motherfuckers!</description>
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<p>Wahoo motherfuckers!</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169459</link>
		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@60

Yeah, philosophy major - go figure.

I understand the point but I have yet to see a positive contribution from that individual that wasn&#039;t somehow aimed at winning an argument.

@ 67

I&#039;ll cop to the insults (I&#039;m both a Bum and a PIA) but you&#039;re the one peddling utter BS, like this:

&lt;i&gt;That doesn’t include the Yankees interest in YES, but the losses are still significant. How many other teams would be willing to take such a bath?&lt;/i&gt;

And worse, you later admit you knew it wasn&#039;t true when you wrote it. So what was the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@60</p>
<p>Yeah, philosophy major &#8211; go figure.</p>
<p>I understand the point but I have yet to see a positive contribution from that individual that wasn&#8217;t somehow aimed at winning an argument.</p>
<p>@ 67</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll cop to the insults (I&#8217;m both a Bum and a PIA) but you&#8217;re the one peddling utter BS, like this:</p>
<p><i>That doesn’t include the Yankees interest in YES, but the losses are still significant. How many other teams would be willing to take such a bath?</i></p>
<p>And worse, you later admit you knew it wasn&#8217;t true when you wrote it. So what was the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169458</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Old Yank Fan, I take it back.  I&#039;m a moron.  I&#039;m so lost in this grand jury duty I &quot;misremembered&quot; our policy.  I thought we had made it a point to tell readers not to curse but Cliff reminded me that we didn&#039;t do that at all.  Cuss away.  My bad.

Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Old Yank Fan, I take it back.  I&#8217;m a moron.  I&#8217;m so lost in this grand jury duty I &#8220;misremembered&#8221; our policy.  I thought we had made it a point to tell readers not to curse but Cliff reminded me that we didn&#8217;t do that at all.  Cuss away.  My bad.</p>
<p>Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169457</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Yank Fan...LOL.  You ARE being argumentative.  Just humor me why don&#039;t you, ya dang ball buster you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Yank Fan&#8230;LOL.  You ARE being argumentative.  Just humor me why don&#8217;t you, ya dang ball buster you.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169456</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[60] Thanks Chyll...I&#039;ve pretty much decided to ignore every Bum Rush post because they are usually laden with insults and misinformation, as evidenced above. Thankfully, the Banter community is intelligent enough to see through such posts without me having to defend myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[60] Thanks Chyll&#8230;I&#8217;ve pretty much decided to ignore every Bum Rush post because they are usually laden with insults and misinformation, as evidenced above. Thankfully, the Banter community is intelligent enough to see through such posts without me having to defend myself.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169455</link>
		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[59] I agree that they both can lead to fan loyalty and aren&#039;t mutually exclusive, but doing one requires sacrificing the other, I think it&#039;s very likely that winning trumps fan friendliness.

If the Yankees are going to market these seats as &quot;Suites&quot; (which they do) and charge premium prices, then exclusive access might be necessary. Again, I am not saying I know this is the case, nor that I think it&#039;s a great idea...just that I can see the Yankees side and don&#039;t think it is an afront to those who can&#039;t afford the tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[59] I agree that they both can lead to fan loyalty and aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive, but doing one requires sacrificing the other, I think it&#8217;s very likely that winning trumps fan friendliness.</p>
<p>If the Yankees are going to market these seats as &#8220;Suites&#8221; (which they do) and charge premium prices, then exclusive access might be necessary. Again, I am not saying I know this is the case, nor that I think it&#8217;s a great idea&#8230;just that I can see the Yankees side and don&#8217;t think it is an afront to those who can&#8217;t afford the tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occasionally, Pete Abe gets it. And I quote:
&quot;Girardi said that Jeter is available for defense, which is like me being available for the 100-yard dash.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occasionally, Pete Abe gets it. And I quote:<br />
&#8220;Girardi said that Jeter is available for defense, which is like me being available for the 100-yard dash.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169453</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; can’t we all find something to agree with, find something of a common cause???&quot;
How about my 2 favorite subjects?
http://tinyurl.com/ofennd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; can’t we all find something to agree with, find something of a common cause???&#8221;<br />
How about my 2 favorite subjects?<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/ofennd" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ofennd</a></p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169452</link>
		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now, now, now ... can&#039;t we all find something to agree with, find something of a common cause???

you know, like Grit Gritner batting &lt;b&gt;7th&lt;/b&gt; in the lineup today???

whether you&#039;re anti-Cashman, or anti-Girardi, surely this affront must unite us all in saying &lt;b&gt;WTF!?!?!?!?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now, now, now &#8230; can&#8217;t we all find something to agree with, find something of a common cause???</p>
<p>you know, like Grit Gritner batting <b>7th</b> in the lineup today???</p>
<p>whether you&#8217;re anti-Cashman, or anti-Girardi, surely this affront must unite us all in saying <b>WTF!?!?!?!?</b></p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169451</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[60] Me Too!!!! (I had to look up PIA also.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[60] Me Too!!!! (I had to look up PIA also.)</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169450</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about you guys, but when I see young kids lined up in the front row, laughing and having fun, with that eager look of anticipation on their faces, incredulous when a player comes over and signs an autograph...
well.. I just get sick to my stomach!

These kids are annoying ME. They have clothes on their backs and food in their bellies..... what else do they need?

Someone should shoot the little bast**ds! People with money shouldn&#039;t have to put up with that crap.

What&#039;s good for capitalism is good for the consumer. Just ask anyone who owned a Ford Pinto.

[45] Alex... not to be argumentative... and my buddy George Carlin isn&#039;t here to back me up... but one day someone will have to explain to me the difference between what I said and &quot;motherf****** &quot;

When you read: motherf****** ....
Just exactly what does your mind say?
Remember: Shoot is just sh*t with two Os.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you guys, but when I see young kids lined up in the front row, laughing and having fun, with that eager look of anticipation on their faces, incredulous when a player comes over and signs an autograph&#8230;<br />
well.. I just get sick to my stomach!</p>
<p>These kids are annoying ME. They have clothes on their backs and food in their bellies&#8230;.. what else do they need?</p>
<p>Someone should shoot the little bast**ds! People with money shouldn&#8217;t have to put up with that crap.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s good for capitalism is good for the consumer. Just ask anyone who owned a Ford Pinto.</p>
<p>[45] Alex&#8230; not to be argumentative&#8230; and my buddy George Carlin isn&#8217;t here to back me up&#8230; but one day someone will have to explain to me the difference between what I said and &#8220;motherf****** &#8221;</p>
<p>When you read: motherf****** &#8230;.<br />
Just exactly what does your mind say?<br />
Remember: Shoot is just sh*t with two Os.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169449</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[48] &lt;b&gt;Solipsism&lt;/b&gt;... a word I had to look up and... &lt;i&gt;HA!&lt;/i&gt; Now I&#039;ve got leisure reading for the next two months!  Thanks, Bum.  And yes... what you see is what you get, and you can believe in that.  Ironically, it&#039;s not a bad thing; he like others before him (Jim Dean, Rob Gee, etc.) add depth to this dimension, which obviously adds to the whole piece and process.  We all have something we stand alone on, right or wrong.  He needs to be here as much as anyone else here, and until he betrays the principles he&#039;s dictated to us for himself, I support his ability to say and defend what he says. For one thing, unlike the ones I&#039;ve mentioned, he&#039;s never made it personal and ugly with anyone.

Have fun kids! &gt;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[48] <b>Solipsism</b>&#8230; a word I had to look up and&#8230; <i>HA!</i> Now I&#8217;ve got leisure reading for the next two months!  Thanks, Bum.  And yes&#8230; what you see is what you get, and you can believe in that.  Ironically, it&#8217;s not a bad thing; he like others before him (Jim Dean, Rob Gee, etc.) add depth to this dimension, which obviously adds to the whole piece and process.  We all have something we stand alone on, right or wrong.  He needs to be here as much as anyone else here, and until he betrays the principles he&#8217;s dictated to us for himself, I support his ability to say and defend what he says. For one thing, unlike the ones I&#8217;ve mentioned, he&#8217;s never made it personal and ugly with anyone.</p>
<p>Have fun kids! &gt;;)</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/13/no-fun-zone/#comment-169448</link>
		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[42] Sounds like a false dichotomy to me.  Why cannot access to players *and* a winning team both be factors in loyalty?  And how does denying access facilitate fielding a winning team?  Are you arguing that by denying access they are able to charge more for tickets and thus spend more to field a winning team?

I guess that would be a plausible argument, but I&#039;d need serious proof that the only way they can charge so much for tickets is by denying access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[42] Sounds like a false dichotomy to me.  Why cannot access to players *and* a winning team both be factors in loyalty?  And how does denying access facilitate fielding a winning team?  Are you arguing that by denying access they are able to charge more for tickets and thus spend more to field a winning team?</p>
<p>I guess that would be a plausible argument, but I&#8217;d need serious proof that the only way they can charge so much for tickets is by denying access.</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;weaker position&lt;/i&gt;

So let&#039;s see:

$135 Million from YES
$240 Million in ticket revenues ($75 average ticket x 3.2 million people which is conservative)
$20-30 Million in national TV revenues (Fox, TBS)

That&#039;s $400 MIllion/year and not counting concessions, rights, stadium advertising.

We know the salaries, so even if their other expenses are $50 Million, they&#039;re still clearing $100-150 Million this year. That&#039;s a real weak position, especially in this economy.

Greedy pigs. Oink. Oink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>weaker position</i></p>
<p>So let&#8217;s see:</p>
<p>$135 Million from YES<br />
$240 Million in ticket revenues ($75 average ticket x 3.2 million people which is conservative)<br />
$20-30 Million in national TV revenues (Fox, TBS)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s $400 MIllion/year and not counting concessions, rights, stadium advertising.</p>
<p>We know the salaries, so even if their other expenses are $50 Million, they&#8217;re still clearing $100-150 Million this year. That&#8217;s a real weak position, especially in this economy.</p>
<p>Greedy pigs. Oink. Oink.</p>
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		<title>By: Bum Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bum Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ve seen some estimates for YES’ profit at $150mn, meaning the Yankees make about $55mn from their stake (assuming they remove all the equity from the company, which they definitely don’t).&lt;/i&gt;

Still playing loose with the facts, huh? 

$55 Million + $80 Million in rights, means they&#039;re clearing $135 million/ year from YES alone.

Care to retract #46 yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve seen some estimates for YES’ profit at $150mn, meaning the Yankees make about $55mn from their stake (assuming they remove all the equity from the company, which they definitely don’t).</i></p>
<p>Still playing loose with the facts, huh? </p>
<p>$55 Million + $80 Million in rights, means they&#8217;re clearing $135 million/ year from YES alone.</p>
<p>Care to retract #46 yet?</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[54] [55] Actually, now that I re-read the statement, it looks like Forbes is correctly stating that the increase in revenue will be off set by the deductible expenses, not that the revenue sharing payment will be wiped out. Of course, if the Yankees don&#039;t realize the necessary increase in revenue, the added debt and expenses would put the Yankees in a weaker position than beforehand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[54] [55] Actually, now that I re-read the statement, it looks like Forbes is correctly stating that the increase in revenue will be off set by the deductible expenses, not that the revenue sharing payment will be wiped out. Of course, if the Yankees don&#8217;t realize the necessary increase in revenue, the added debt and expenses would put the Yankees in a weaker position than beforehand.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[54] There&#039;s a mistake in the second paragraph...while the Yankees deductible expenses of $100mn (which are real expenses, including about $55mn in interest payments, the Yankees have to pay) would wipe out the $95mn revenue sharing bill from 2008, a new total will be calculated using the increased revenue from this season. One would have to assume that the Yankees are expecting well over $100mn in increased revenue (otherwise the expenses would simply cancel out the revenue), so the revenue sharing bill could wind up being close the same.

Also, for those don&#039;t know, the Yankees, or rather Yankee Global Enterprises, only own 35% of YES. In 2008, the networks&#039; net U.S. revenue was pegged at $360mn. I&#039;ve seen some estimates for YES&#039; profit at $150mn, meaning the Yankees make about $55mn from their stake (assuming they remove all the equity from the company, which they definitely don&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[54] There&#8217;s a mistake in the second paragraph&#8230;while the Yankees deductible expenses of $100mn (which are real expenses, including about $55mn in interest payments, the Yankees have to pay) would wipe out the $95mn revenue sharing bill from 2008, a new total will be calculated using the increased revenue from this season. One would have to assume that the Yankees are expecting well over $100mn in increased revenue (otherwise the expenses would simply cancel out the revenue), so the revenue sharing bill could wind up being close the same.</p>
<p>Also, for those don&#8217;t know, the Yankees, or rather Yankee Global Enterprises, only own 35% of YES. In 2008, the networks&#8217; net U.S. revenue was pegged at $360mn. I&#8217;ve seen some estimates for YES&#8217; profit at $150mn, meaning the Yankees make about $55mn from their stake (assuming they remove all the equity from the company, which they definitely don&#8217;t).</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the 2009 Forbes article accompanying the breakdown:

&lt;i&gt;
No one is getting richer faster than the No. 1-ranked New York Yankees, whose value shot up 15% this year to $1.5 billion. The Bronx Bombers pulled in $80 million--by far the most in baseball--from their rights fee with the YES Network in 2008 and moved into the most lucrative stadium in baseball this season. (Full disclosure: Forbes has a show on the YES Network.) The new stadium also means the Yankees will have to hand over a lower percentage of their revenue to rivals. 

Yes, the team&#039;s stadium revenue--tickets, suites, advertising, concessions--is likely to go up by more than $100 million this season. But MLB permits teams to deduct stadium-operating and debt expenses from revenue before calculating the amount the league will take from them to subsidize other teams. Last season the Yankees had to hand over $95 million to the league so it could be distributed to teams like the Florida Marlins, Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals and Tampa Bay Rays. In the new stadium the Yankees&#039; deductible expenses will be around $100 million, enough to wipe out the windfall in revenue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the 2009 Forbes article accompanying the breakdown:</p>
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No one is getting richer faster than the No. 1-ranked New York Yankees, whose value shot up 15% this year to $1.5 billion. The Bronx Bombers pulled in $80 million&#8211;by far the most in baseball&#8211;from their rights fee with the YES Network in 2008 and moved into the most lucrative stadium in baseball this season. (Full disclosure: Forbes has a show on the YES Network.) The new stadium also means the Yankees will have to hand over a lower percentage of their revenue to rivals. </p>
<p>Yes, the team&#8217;s stadium revenue&#8211;tickets, suites, advertising, concessions&#8211;is likely to go up by more than $100 million this season. But MLB permits teams to deduct stadium-operating and debt expenses from revenue before calculating the amount the league will take from them to subsidize other teams. Last season the Yankees had to hand over $95 million to the league so it could be distributed to teams like the Florida Marlins, Pittsburgh Pirates, Kansas City Royals and Tampa Bay Rays. In the new stadium the Yankees&#8217; deductible expenses will be around $100 million, enough to wipe out the windfall in revenue.<br />
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