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		<title>By: Yankster</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/31/how-humiliatin/#comment-175502</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] My question exactly. I thought the general idea was to lengthen Wang a bit in preparation for a start at some point? Pitching three after his two inning outing last time seems reasonable. On the other hand, he did use 42 pitches to go two innings, which is more like three innings of work than two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] My question exactly. I thought the general idea was to lengthen Wang a bit in preparation for a start at some point? Pitching three after his two inning outing last time seems reasonable. On the other hand, he did use 42 pitches to go two innings, which is more like three innings of work than two.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was out so I didn&#039;t see the game, but was there any reason why CMW couldn&#039;t go another inning?  Aceves is available as a long man/starter if Pettitte&#039;s back is acting up.  Wang would have enough to go a couple of innings if needed as well, since Pettitte&#039;s start is on Wednesday.  Worse comes to worst, they could fashion a start from the 7 guys they have in the pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was out so I didn&#8217;t see the game, but was there any reason why CMW couldn&#8217;t go another inning?  Aceves is available as a long man/starter if Pettitte&#8217;s back is acting up.  Wang would have enough to go a couple of innings if needed as well, since Pettitte&#8217;s start is on Wednesday.  Worse comes to worst, they could fashion a start from the 7 guys they have in the pen.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[28]

An addendum--

The only reason that anyone was talking about Gardner is because Melky had regressed for two straight seasons and was shit awful last year.  All any reasonable person expected was for Gardner to be better than Melky 2008, and so far he has been.

That Melky 2009 has been even better--perhaps because the organization lit a fire under his ass??--is even better for the team.</description>
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<p>An addendum&#8211;</p>
<p>The only reason that anyone was talking about Gardner is because Melky had regressed for two straight seasons and was shit awful last year.  All any reasonable person expected was for Gardner to be better than Melky 2008, and so far he has been.</p>
<p>That Melky 2009 has been even better&#8211;perhaps because the organization lit a fire under his ass??&#8211;is even better for the team.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[26] &lt;b&gt;I’ve been intrigued by all the Brett Gardner talk... &lt;/b&gt;

Good heavens, man, what do you want?  If you have heard &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; of the talk, then you would know that he is a marginal prospect with a couple of strong assets (OBP and speed).  He is hitting about .730 OPS, which is just about the best that could be hoped for, and he&#039;s stolen 9 out of 11 bases.

I didn&#039;t see the game, nor did I hear his comments, so it is hard to read the context of what he said.  I don&#039;t know how much leeway the Yankees staff gives to players to &quot;opt out&quot; of signs depending on the situation--is the steal sign 100%, or does it mean steal unless you see the pitcher make a move to 1B?  If he screwed up, I assume that he will be talked to and or chastised.  If not, that is on the coaching staff. 

From my vantage--i.e., in another country and not following very closely the last couple of weeks--this entire discussion seems a bit overwrought. 

For the record, BTW, I am not convinced either Melky or Gardner should be starting, and neither can be considered the &quot;best option.&quot;  But I guess someone has to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[26] <b>I’ve been intrigued by all the Brett Gardner talk&#8230; </b></p>
<p>Good heavens, man, what do you want?  If you have heard <b>all</b> of the talk, then you would know that he is a marginal prospect with a couple of strong assets (OBP and speed).  He is hitting about .730 OPS, which is just about the best that could be hoped for, and he&#8217;s stolen 9 out of 11 bases.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the game, nor did I hear his comments, so it is hard to read the context of what he said.  I don&#8217;t know how much leeway the Yankees staff gives to players to &#8220;opt out&#8221; of signs depending on the situation&#8211;is the steal sign 100%, or does it mean steal unless you see the pitcher make a move to 1B?  If he screwed up, I assume that he will be talked to and or chastised.  If not, that is on the coaching staff. </p>
<p>From my vantage&#8211;i.e., in another country and not following very closely the last couple of weeks&#8211;this entire discussion seems a bit overwrought. </p>
<p>For the record, BTW, I am not convinced either Melky or Gardner should be starting, and neither can be considered the &#8220;best option.&#8221;  But I guess someone has to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Robertson is shown patience, he will be fine.</description>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/31/how-humiliatin/#comment-175497</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[25] I had this same exact conversation with my father. I didn&#039;t understand it at all. Coke has proven time and time again that he can&#039;t deliver in a tight spot (the homers to lefty power hitters Mauer, Morneau and Chris Davis in the last two weeks notwithstanding). I don&#039;t understand the logic. Mo would have been in the game with a one-run lead had the Yankees converted in their half of the ninth. The game remained tied. Why not have the Indians lineup beat your best? It&#039;s baffling. 

I&#039;ve been intrigued by all the Brett Gardner talk. The baserunning issues over the past week have been questionable (trying to score on that late play, I blame Rob Thomson more than Gardner). I&#039;m still waiting for him to hit a ball out of the infield on the fly. I&#039;m sick of all the announcers touting his speed and how he makes a ground ball to second base close. Enough already. I didn&#039;t think I&#039;d believe that Melky Cabrera was the best everyday option in any of the three outfield positions, but that day is here. Brett Gardner is Dave Roberts ... wait, Roberts would have run in that situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[25] I had this same exact conversation with my father. I didn&#8217;t understand it at all. Coke has proven time and time again that he can&#8217;t deliver in a tight spot (the homers to lefty power hitters Mauer, Morneau and Chris Davis in the last two weeks notwithstanding). I don&#8217;t understand the logic. Mo would have been in the game with a one-run lead had the Yankees converted in their half of the ninth. The game remained tied. Why not have the Indians lineup beat your best? It&#8217;s baffling. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been intrigued by all the Brett Gardner talk. The baserunning issues over the past week have been questionable (trying to score on that late play, I blame Rob Thomson more than Gardner). I&#8217;m still waiting for him to hit a ball out of the infield on the fly. I&#8217;m sick of all the announcers touting his speed and how he makes a ground ball to second base close. Enough already. I didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d believe that Melky Cabrera was the best everyday option in any of the three outfield positions, but that day is here. Brett Gardner is Dave Roberts &#8230; wait, Roberts would have run in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: mehmattski</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/05/31/how-humiliatin/#comment-175496</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another topic... remember how we all hated Joe Torre for not bringing in Rivera in tie games on the road? And how everyone thought that Joe Girardi would be a smarter manager and would Do The Right Thing, late in tie games on the road? And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.immaculateinning.com/2007/06/is-torres-fatal-flaw-common.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I got the baseball-reference out and proved&lt;/a&gt;  that very few managers actually do use their closers in this way, especially since Girardi &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; brought in Joe Borowski into a tie game in the 9th? And everyone said that Girardi would be different with the Yankees, with Mo?

Well, what about the 9th inning tonight? The more things change....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another topic&#8230; remember how we all hated Joe Torre for not bringing in Rivera in tie games on the road? And how everyone thought that Joe Girardi would be a smarter manager and would Do The Right Thing, late in tie games on the road? And <a href="http://www.immaculateinning.com/2007/06/is-torres-fatal-flaw-common.html" rel="nofollow">I got the baseball-reference out and proved</a>  that very few managers actually do use their closers in this way, especially since Girardi <i>never</i> brought in Joe Borowski into a tie game in the 9th? And everyone said that Girardi would be different with the Yankees, with Mo?</p>
<p>Well, what about the 9th inning tonight? The more things change&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: randym77</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[21] Agreed.  As long he doesn&#039;t make the same mistake twice, I&#039;m fine with it.

He was probably just waiting for the right moment, and waited too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[21] Agreed.  As long he doesn&#8217;t make the same mistake twice, I&#8217;m fine with it.</p>
<p>He was probably just waiting for the right moment, and waited too long.</p>
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		<title>By: seamus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[22] umm, he didn&#039;t &quot;disregard&quot; so much as get overly cautious.  And yes, part of growing pains for all workers is learning when to follow orders and when to follow their own judgement.  Do all players make this specific mistake? Probably not, but all young players make mistakes and I&#039;m sure Gardner isn&#039;t the first to make this specific mistake and won&#039;t be the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[22] umm, he didn&#8217;t &#8220;disregard&#8221; so much as get overly cautious.  And yes, part of growing pains for all workers is learning when to follow orders and when to follow their own judgement.  Do all players make this specific mistake? Probably not, but all young players make mistakes and I&#8217;m sure Gardner isn&#8217;t the first to make this specific mistake and won&#8217;t be the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattpat11</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[21] Do these kind of things really happen? How often does a young player just completely disregard a manager&#039;s order without harsh consequences? 

And if the &quot;good&quot; is that he can run, and the &quot;bad&quot; is that he&#039;s afraid to run, that&#039;s sort of hard to live with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[21] Do these kind of things really happen? How often does a young player just completely disregard a manager&#8217;s order without harsh consequences? </p>
<p>And if the &#8220;good&#8221; is that he can run, and the &#8220;bad&#8221; is that he&#8217;s afraid to run, that&#8217;s sort of hard to live with.</p>
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		<title>By: seamus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardner is a youngster.  These kinds of things happen with young guys.  Call it a learning experience and a day.  Gotta live with the good and the bad with the young talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gardner is a youngster.  These kinds of things happen with young guys.  Call it a learning experience and a day.  Gotta live with the good and the bad with the young talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Fair</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can undestand the homeplate play probably took a notch from Gardner&#039;s confidence belt.  But if those words are accurate, I am sincerely annoyed.  If he&#039;s worried, he shouldn&#039;t be playing.  Cripes.  It&#039;s the only gd reason your in the line-up to begin with.  WTF!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can undestand the homeplate play probably took a notch from Gardner&#8217;s confidence belt.  But if those words are accurate, I am sincerely annoyed.  If he&#8217;s worried, he shouldn&#8217;t be playing.  Cripes.  It&#8217;s the only gd reason your in the line-up to begin with.  WTF!</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18] normally, i prefer push-ups for Slappy, but in this case, extra running is truly making the punishment fit the crime ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18] normally, i prefer push-ups for Slappy, but in this case, extra running is truly making the punishment fit the crime &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Brett could sharpen his &quot;steal when the manager damn well tells you to steal&quot; practice down in Charleston.  At the very least, the kangaroo court should weigh in on this.  Extra laps instead of $$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Brett could sharpen his &#8220;steal when the manager damn well tells you to steal&#8221; practice down in Charleston.  At the very least, the kangaroo court should weigh in on this.  Extra laps instead of $$$.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[16] i prefer to call it a shovel. i also prefer to call a hoe a hoe, a trowel a trowel and a pitchfork &quot;my moseying stick&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[16] i prefer to call it a shovel. i also prefer to call a hoe a hoe, a trowel a trowel and a pitchfork &#8220;my moseying stick&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[15] There are often &quot;ifs&quot; involved in a mediocre/bad start. That&#039;s why I said it wasn&#039;t a meltdown. But if Gardner catches that ball, maybe Hughes makes even more bad pitches and gives up six runs. I mean, who knows? You can&#039;t assume everything would be the same other than what you&#039;d like to see changed for the better. I want Phil Hughes to do well but if he doesn&#039;t, I prefer just to call a spade a spade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[15] There are often &#8220;ifs&#8221; involved in a mediocre/bad start. That&#8217;s why I said it wasn&#8217;t a meltdown. But if Gardner catches that ball, maybe Hughes makes even more bad pitches and gives up six runs. I mean, who knows? You can&#8217;t assume everything would be the same other than what you&#8217;d like to see changed for the better. I want Phil Hughes to do well but if he doesn&#8217;t, I prefer just to call a spade a spade.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8] Gardner catches that ball in the 5th and we&#039;re quite possibly looking at 6ip/3er. At the very least, he would have started off the 6th on the mound. Not great, and maybe for the best, if it means CMW takes the next start.

I&#039;d start CMW for Hughes in the next start, keep Phil around as a long relief to piggy back Wang until CMW proves he&#039;s ready to go 6-7 every time out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[8] Gardner catches that ball in the 5th and we&#8217;re quite possibly looking at 6ip/3er. At the very least, he would have started off the 6th on the mound. Not great, and maybe for the best, if it means CMW takes the next start.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d start CMW for Hughes in the next start, keep Phil around as a long relief to piggy back Wang until CMW proves he&#8217;s ready to go 6-7 every time out.</p>
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		<title>By: 51cq24</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i&#039;m glad it was gardner and not girardi, and especially glad that melky will be back soon.</description>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Petey:

&lt;i&gt;Then Gardner failed to steal second as ordered in the ninth inning. He saw the sign, he just didn’t run. Gardner explained he was worried about being picked off.&lt;/i&gt;

Sweet Jesus, &quot;picked off&quot; by Kerry Wood?

Are you kidding me?

Bad, bad case of HUA by Gardner there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Petey:</p>
<p><i>Then Gardner failed to steal second as ordered in the ninth inning. He saw the sign, he just didn’t run. Gardner explained he was worried about being picked off.</i></p>
<p>Sweet Jesus, &#8220;picked off&#8221; by Kerry Wood?</p>
<p>Are you kidding me?</p>
<p>Bad, bad case of HUA by Gardner there.</p>
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		<title>By: randym77</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Gardner&#039;s batting .270.  When did that happen?</description>
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