Comments on: Observations from Cooperstown: DeRosa, Aceves, and The Classic http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sun, 19 May 2013 06:50:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177337 cult of basebaal Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:55:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177337 man, i hate afternoons without yankees baseball. i was really excited to see CC vs Price tonite. man, i hate afternoons without yankees baseball.

i was really excited to see CC vs Price tonite.

]]> By: PJ http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177336 PJ Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:45:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177336 Bruce, You've been listening to Ken Rosenthal again, haven't you? : ) Bruce,

You’ve been listening to Ken Rosenthal again, haven’t you?

: )

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177335 RIYank Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:30:28 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177335 Yeah, just read that. Damn. Guess I'll go to the movies or something. See you (et al.) tomorrow afternoon... Yeah, just read that. Damn.
Guess I’ll go to the movies or something. See you (et al.) tomorrow afternoon…

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177334 ms october Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:29:13 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177334 [26] according to petey game postponed - no makeup date yet [26] according to petey game postponed – no makeup date yet

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177333 RIYank Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:00:53 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177333 Cliff? Out there? Put up the preview! I want to see your take on Price. Cliff? Out there? Put up the preview! I want to see your take on Price.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177332 Raf Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:43:03 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177332 <b>Kenny Williams can’t be that dumb … I can imagine that Cashman was the first GM that called up and said he’d eat the whole contract … and then he fleeced him.</b> Doesn't make Williams a dumb GM, doesn't make Cashman a smart GM. Maybe Williams saw something, maybe Ozzie got in his ear and said he didn't want Swisher around anymore... Kenny Williams can’t be that dumb … I can imagine that Cashman was the first GM that called up and said he’d eat the whole contract … and then he fleeced him.

Doesn’t make Williams a dumb GM, doesn’t make Cashman a smart GM. Maybe Williams saw something, maybe Ozzie got in his ear and said he didn’t want Swisher around anymore…

]]> By: ChrisS http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177331 ChrisS Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:36:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177331 No one said trading Betemit for Swisher wasn't a good move, but having the deepest pockets in the major leagues certainly helped move that trade forward quickly and few teams other than Yankees can gamble $20 mill on a guy. The Red Sox should have done that, but they were gambling on a 3-4 of Ortiz and Teixeira. Kenny Williams can't be that dumb ... I can imagine that Cashman was the first GM that called up and said he'd eat the whole contract ... and then he fleeced him. No one said trading Betemit for Swisher wasn’t a good move, but having the deepest pockets in the major leagues certainly helped move that trade forward quickly and few teams other than Yankees can gamble $20 mill on a guy. The Red Sox should have done that, but they were gambling on a 3-4 of Ortiz and Teixeira.

Kenny Williams can’t be that dumb … I can imagine that Cashman was the first GM that called up and said he’d eat the whole contract … and then he fleeced him.

]]> By: Bama Yankee http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177330 Bama Yankee Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:23:16 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177330 [10] Yeah, I'm here (been doing more lurking than posting lately, with work getting busy and having a new baby around the house). Before I even got to the comments I knew that you or mehmattski wouldn't let that one sit on the tee for too long before you smashed it into the second deck... ;-) [10] Yeah, I’m here (been doing more lurking than posting lately, with work getting busy and having a new baby around the house). Before I even got to the comments I knew that you or mehmattski wouldn’t let that one sit on the tee for too long before you smashed it into the second deck… ;-)

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177329 The Hawk Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:09:59 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177329 Cashman has made some good deals, and I don't see the point in knocking him because at times they were deals only Yankee money could make happen. Last year, it seemed as though the season was going to be saved when he got Nady, Marte and Pudge, all without giving much up. It ended up not helping, mainly cause Pudge stunk up the joint, but those were very good trades. His problem more often than not has been trading for pitching. Cashman has made some good deals, and I don’t see the point in knocking him because at times they were deals only Yankee money could make happen.

Last year, it seemed as though the season was going to be saved when he got Nady, Marte and Pudge, all without giving much up. It ended up not helping, mainly cause Pudge stunk up the joint, but those were very good trades.

His problem more often than not has been trading for pitching.

]]> By: ChrisS http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177328 ChrisS Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:08:03 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177328 <a href="http://espn.go.com/gammons/s/2001/0111/1007850.html" rel="nofollow">The Natural</a> by Peter Gammons. The Natural by Peter Gammons.

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177327 monkeypants Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:01:33 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177327 [14] Yep. And we need to remember the chronology of the Swisher signing. He was not brought in as a back-up; he was signed before Teix fell into the Yankees' lap, so he projected as the tentative starting 1B--but one who had the potential to play in the OF. It was a brilliant deal that brought a solid and roster-flexible player to the team at great price. Moreover, Cashman still had money leftover to...sign Teix and make Nady/Swisher a bench player (the strongest bench player in years). Cashman has made some poor moves to be sure, and the AJ signing still has me scratching my head, but he deserves major kudos (at least so far) for seeing the value in Swisher. [14] Yep. And we need to remember the chronology of the Swisher signing. He was not brought in as a back-up; he was signed before Teix fell into the Yankees’ lap, so he projected as the tentative starting 1B–but one who had the potential to play in the OF. It was a brilliant deal that brought a solid and roster-flexible player to the team at great price. Moreover, Cashman still had money leftover to…sign Teix and make Nady/Swisher a bench player (the strongest bench player in years).

Cashman has made some poor moves to be sure, and the AJ signing still has me scratching my head, but he deserves major kudos (at least so far) for seeing the value in Swisher.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177326 RIYank Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:56:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177326 Oh, hey, cut that out, SStheN. Oh, hey, cut that out, SStheN.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177325 RIYank Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:56:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177325 [15] Yeah, I know what you're referring to: <blockquote>When asked about his goals as a ballplayer, he replies, "Be in the Hall of Fame, definitely. Play in Yankee Stadium. Play in the pinstripes. Be considered the greatest baseball player who ever lived. I can't wait."</blockquote> [15] Yeah, I know what you’re referring to:

When asked about his goals as a ballplayer, he replies, “Be in the Hall of Fame, definitely. Play in Yankee Stadium. Play in the pinstripes. Be considered the greatest baseball player who ever lived. I can’t wait.”

]]> By: Start Spreading the News http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177324 Start Spreading the News Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:51:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177324 I like this kid already: "When asked about his goals as a ballplayer, he replies, "Be in the Hall of Fame, definitely. Play in Yankee Stadium. Play in the pinstripes. Be considered the greatest baseball player who ever lived. I can't wait."" He scores from 2nd on wild pitches??? He catches and he pitches??? He's no Bugs Bunny but that's pretty impressive! I like this kid already:
“When asked about his goals as a ballplayer, he replies, “Be in the Hall of Fame, definitely. Play in Yankee Stadium. Play in the pinstripes. Be considered the greatest baseball player who ever lived. I can’t wait.”"

He scores from 2nd on wild pitches??? He catches and he pitches??? He’s no Bugs Bunny but that’s pretty impressive!

]]> By: Horace Clarke Era http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177323 Horace Clarke Era Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:48:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177323 I see that William can stick up for himself (no surprise!) and for Cashman. I am still in my 'bite your tongue, count to ten' mode. I read the Bryce Harper piece. Matt Wieters is now SO yesterday. Sigh. I see that William can stick up for himself (no surprise!) and for Cashman. I am still in my ‘bite your tongue, count to ten’ mode.

I read the Bryce Harper piece. Matt Wieters is now SO yesterday. Sigh.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177322 williamnyy23 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:43:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177322 [13] Whether he is allowed to declare may still be up in the air, but while he is blazing a trail, wouldn't it be nice if he sued MLB for the right to sign with his team of choice? [13] Whether he is allowed to declare may still be up in the air, but while he is blazing a trail, wouldn’t it be nice if he sued MLB for the right to sign with his team of choice?

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177321 williamnyy23 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:41:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177321 [11] Don't bother with facts...they get in the way of a good rant. Regardless, if other GMs didn't recognize that Swisher was a good deal at a net of $19mn (you should probably subtract the Betemit salary) over three years, that's their problem. Thankfully, Cashman wasn't scared away by a subpar 2008 and decided instead to consider his 2005-2007 seasons (during which fangraphs estimates his value was $33.8mn). As a result, the Yankees are already enjoying $5.8mn worth of value on a 2009 annual investment of about $6.3mn. Yep, that Cashman doesn't know what he is doing. [11] Don’t bother with facts…they get in the way of a good rant. Regardless, if other GMs didn’t recognize that Swisher was a good deal at a net of $19mn (you should probably subtract the Betemit salary) over three years, that’s their problem. Thankfully, Cashman wasn’t scared away by a subpar 2008 and decided instead to consider his 2005-2007 seasons (during which fangraphs estimates his value was $33.8mn). As a result, the Yankees are already enjoying $5.8mn worth of value on a 2009 annual investment of about $6.3mn.

Yep, that Cashman doesn’t know what he is doing.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177320 RIYank Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:40:48 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177320 OT, but did anyone see the SI (Verducci) article about Bryce Harper? The <a href="http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1156215/1/index.htm" rel="nofollow">article</a> is called "Basebal's Lebron", which frankly isn't a very good title. He's basically Roy Hobbs at 15. He hit a 500 ft HR at the Trop, for example. The Yankees might consider throwing the rest of their games, because Harper is planning to declare for the draft next year. OT, but did anyone see the SI (Verducci) article about Bryce Harper? The article is called “Basebal’s Lebron”, which frankly isn’t a very good title. He’s basically Roy Hobbs at 15. He hit a 500 ft HR at the Trop, for example.
The Yankees might consider throwing the rest of their games, because Harper is planning to declare for the draft next year.

]]> By: ChrisS http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177319 ChrisS Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:31:24 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177319 DeRosa is also 34 years old, I'd hesitate parting with anything of value for a 34-year old bench guy. It's like spending millions on a 30-something reliever with relievers at AA & AAA bursting at the seams. Oh wait. DeRosa is also 34 years old, I’d hesitate parting with anything of value for a 34-year old bench guy. It’s like spending millions on a 30-something reliever with relievers at AA & AAA bursting at the seams. Oh wait.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/05/observations-from-cooperstown-derosa-aceves-and-the-classic/#comment-177318 Raf Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:27:21 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=20026#comment-177318 <b>And remember coming into the Swisher was the 4th OF…making $20 million over the next three years. </b> Swisher was either going to be the starting RF or 1b at the time the trade was made. And remember coming into the Swisher was the 4th OF…making $20 million over the next three years.

Swisher was either going to be the starting RF or 1b at the time the trade was made.

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