Comments on: News of the Day – 6/30/09 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:57:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The Mick536 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187843 The Mick536 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:43:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187843 I loved the 1961 Yankees. Owned a Cooperstown Collection jacket that had the names of the players on the inside. During a difficult time in my life, news cameras caught me wearing it along with a blue brimmed white Yankee hat from the 20's. Allegedly, according to a friend who spoke with him at a Knicks game and who had come to my defense, George Steinbrenner said in sum or substance, "I don't care if he is a good guy, tell him to take off the Yankee stuff." Yankees won the series 4-1 without the Mick who got shot up with a dirty needle by JFK and Nelson Rockefeller's doctor. Maris batted .105. Amazing. After the greatest home run race anyone had ever seen, neither figured in the outcome. Whitey Ford won the MVP setting the record for scoreless innings in the Series held previously by Babe Ruth. He won two games, including a two hit shutout in the opening game. Game three is one of my favorite WS games of all time. Check it out. I loved the 1961 Yankees. Owned a Cooperstown Collection jacket that had the names of the players on the inside. During a difficult time in my life, news cameras caught me wearing it along with a blue brimmed white Yankee hat from the 20′s. Allegedly, according to a friend who spoke with him at a Knicks game and who had come to my defense, George Steinbrenner said in sum or substance, “I don’t care if he is a good guy, tell him to take off the Yankee stuff.”

Yankees won the series 4-1 without the Mick who got shot up with a dirty needle by JFK and Nelson Rockefeller’s doctor. Maris batted .105. Amazing. After the greatest home run race anyone had ever seen, neither figured in the outcome. Whitey Ford won the MVP setting the record for scoreless innings in the Series held previously by Babe Ruth. He won two games, including a two hit shutout in the opening game. Game three is one of my favorite WS games of all time. Check it out.

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187842 rbj Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:40:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187842 [8] Thanks. Great line in the Goldman article: "even if Matsui returns to Godzilla-style smashing in the second half (not that Matsui has been above Rodan-level in the U.S.)" [8] Thanks. Great line in the Goldman article:
“even if Matsui returns to Godzilla-style smashing in the second half (not that Matsui has been above Rodan-level in the U.S.)”

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187841 Shaun P. Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:40:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187841 [5] [7] Steven Goldman <a href="http://pinstripedbible.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/appreciating_the_mo_masterpiec.html" rel="nofollow">looked at the top 200 single seasons of BP's WXRL over the last 55 years</a> (that's as far as the BP database goes back). One guess who appeared on the list more than anyone else (9 times, to be precise). I'd bet Mo has more WXRL than Hoffman as well, though I'm not sure if BP has an all-time leaderboard for that kind of stuff. [5] [7] Steven Goldman looked at the top 200 single seasons of BP’s WXRL over the last 55 years (that’s as far as the BP database goes back).

One guess who appeared on the list more than anyone else (9 times, to be precise).

I’d bet Mo has more WXRL than Hoffman as well, though I’m not sure if BP has an all-time leaderboard for that kind of stuff.

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187840 rbj Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:53:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187840 [2] Yup. Just consider that almost all of those 1000 innings has been in a high-leverage situation, where success means that you've contributed to a win, but failure means that you cost your team a win. [6] Amazing. Also consider this: http://tinyurl.com/lsm3y3 paying attention to Toledo Top 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th. (yup, the Mudhens are that bad this year) [2] Yup. Just consider that almost all of those 1000 innings has been in a high-leverage situation, where success means that you’ve contributed to a win, but failure means that you cost your team a win.

[6] Amazing. Also consider this:
http://tinyurl.com/lsm3y3

paying attention to Toledo Top 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th.
(yup, the Mudhens are that bad this year)

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187839 OldYanksFan Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:02:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187839 aaaaaahhh, Minor League baseball: http://tinyurl.com/lzrhel aaaaaahhh, Minor League baseball: http://tinyurl.com/lzrhel

]]> By: Rich http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187838 Rich Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:00:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187838 Using WPA, which i think it is the best stat for relievers: Hoffman: 34.18 (IP: 1011.1 Games: 954) Rivera: 46.09 (IP: 1054.1 Games: 881) Using WPA, which i think it is the best stat for relievers:

Hoffman: 34.18 (IP: 1011.1 Games: 954)

Rivera: 46.09 (IP: 1054.1 Games: 881)

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187837 The Hawk Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:54:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187837 I liked that Scrabble movie. As a very amateur player I was struck - and somewhat disappointed, since I'm not like this - by the fact that the players at that level are more math-oriented than word-oriented. I liked that Scrabble movie. As a very amateur player I was struck – and somewhat disappointed, since I’m not like this – by the fact that the players at that level are more math-oriented than word-oriented.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187836 OldYanksFan Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:25 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187836 By the by, SG has some very nice summary graphs up: http://www.replacementlevel.com/ on this years Yankee ZR defense. Worth a look. By the by, SG has some very nice summary graphs up: http://www.replacementlevel.com/ on this years Yankee ZR defense. Worth a look.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187835 OldYanksFan Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:29:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187835 Mo is indeed the greatest. He has been cloing for the Yankees now... what... in his 14th year? Has any closer EVER been with the same club this long? The Fish announcers were chatting about Mo last night. They had an interesting and valid point. At every other position, and in most other sports, as athletes age and decline, they can still play their position (or DH) and add counting stats to their resume. Even when Rose was average, he was adding hits to his totals. Old sluggers still get ABs and can add to their HR numbers, even if at a declining rate. Basically, if you are still in the game, you get ABs and can pad your stats, even if at only a fraction of what you compiled in your prime. But not so with closers, ESPECIALLY on a contending team. If Mo were 'just average', he might be the 7th or 8th inning guy, but not closing. To close for the Yankees, you must still be very effective. So there is no padding in Mo's numbers (I wonder about Hoffman?). Every Save has been an important one. Mo was there, because he was the best we had. Every closer gets a few 'gimme', Saves, but basically, Mo has worked for his bread. Hoffman Career: ERA+: 146, WHIP: 1.046, K/9: 9.6 M.Rivera Career: ERA+: 197, WHIP: 1.020 , K/9: 8.3 Actually, you can't take anything away from Hoffman. His numbers are outstanding. He has 2 more years pitching, and is 2 years older then Mo. Although, out of 15 years, Mo has only has one year where his ERA+ (142) was below Hoffmans average (146). And while ERA+ 'adjusts' for league/year/etc, Hoffman's whole career has been in the NL West while Mo has lived in the AL East. Mo is indeed the greatest. He has been cloing for the Yankees now… what… in his 14th year? Has any closer EVER been with the same club this long?

The Fish announcers were chatting about Mo last night. They had an interesting and valid point. At every other position, and in most other sports, as athletes age and decline, they can still play their position (or DH) and add counting stats to their resume. Even when Rose was average, he was adding hits to his totals. Old sluggers still get ABs and can add to their HR numbers, even if at a declining rate. Basically, if you are still in the game, you get ABs and can pad your stats, even if at only a fraction of what you compiled in your prime.

But not so with closers, ESPECIALLY on a contending team. If Mo were ‘just average’, he might be the 7th or 8th inning guy, but not closing. To close for the Yankees, you must still be very effective. So there is no padding in Mo’s numbers (I wonder about Hoffman?). Every Save has been an important one. Mo was there, because he was the best we had. Every closer gets a few ‘gimme’, Saves, but basically, Mo has worked for his bread.

Hoffman Career: ERA+: 146, WHIP: 1.046, K/9: 9.6
M.Rivera Career: ERA+: 197, WHIP: 1.020 , K/9: 8.3

Actually, you can’t take anything away from Hoffman. His numbers are outstanding. He has 2 more years pitching, and is 2 years older then Mo. Although, out of 15 years, Mo has only has one year where his ERA+ (142) was below Hoffmans average (146). And while ERA+ ‘adjusts’ for league/year/etc, Hoffman’s whole career has been in the NL West while Mo has lived in the AL East.

]]> By: RagingTartabull http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/06/30/news-of-the-day-63009/#comment-187834 RagingTartabull Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:07:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=21043#comment-187834 <b>The Yanks decided to give the ‘96 starting SS job to one Derek Jeter. </b> well to be fair to Octavio Antonio Fernandez Castro, they only gave it to DJ after Fernandez cracked his elbow. The Yanks decided to give the ‘96 starting SS job to one Derek Jeter.

well to be fair to Octavio Antonio Fernandez Castro, they only gave it to DJ after Fernandez cracked his elbow.

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