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		<title>By: Bruce68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do representatives of MLB (the umps) get to IGNORE the rules and only the teams get to suffer?  If rules are optional in one direction, they should be optional both ways.  My own choice for the rules of choice for us to ignore would be the Revenue Sharing and Luxury Tax rules.  That would surely get MLB&#039;s attention, unlike the distressingly one-sided umpiring of today.  

When I saw Mick or Yogi called out on close plays in the fifties I (from a Jr High Schooler&#039;s perspective) was convinced that we were being jobbed, but after umping little league games in the eighties and nineties (because few other parents knew the rules) I took a more balanced view of the whole question, and thought that the Boss&#039;s reactions to bad calls was not very evenhanded, with screwups being more or less even in terms of impacting us and the opposition.  Recently, however, I am feeling more and more put upon by the umpiring, with this years being the most unprofessional and the worst in memory.  I am not sure that my sample size is large enough for this to be a valid conclusion because I have missed blacked-out games, but I still feel jobbed again (after 50 years).

Do any others feel the same???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do representatives of MLB (the umps) get to IGNORE the rules and only the teams get to suffer?  If rules are optional in one direction, they should be optional both ways.  My own choice for the rules of choice for us to ignore would be the Revenue Sharing and Luxury Tax rules.  That would surely get MLB&#8217;s attention, unlike the distressingly one-sided umpiring of today.  </p>
<p>When I saw Mick or Yogi called out on close plays in the fifties I (from a Jr High Schooler&#8217;s perspective) was convinced that we were being jobbed, but after umping little league games in the eighties and nineties (because few other parents knew the rules) I took a more balanced view of the whole question, and thought that the Boss&#8217;s reactions to bad calls was not very evenhanded, with screwups being more or less even in terms of impacting us and the opposition.  Recently, however, I am feeling more and more put upon by the umpiring, with this years being the most unprofessional and the worst in memory.  I am not sure that my sample size is large enough for this to be a valid conclusion because I have missed blacked-out games, but I still feel jobbed again (after 50 years).</p>
<p>Do any others feel the same???</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[36] 

Aren&#039;t you blaming the whole umpiring system? And if the whole umpiring system is guilty, then isn&#039;t this an indictment of our baseball institutions in general? I put it to you, Horace - isn&#039;t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want, but I&#039;m not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

/Animal House

Would he at least publicly acknowledge the extent of his insubordination, voluntarily suspend himself, and vow never to do it again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[36] </p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t you blaming the whole umpiring system? And if the whole umpiring system is guilty, then isn&#8217;t this an indictment of our baseball institutions in general? I put it to you, Horace &#8211; isn&#8217;t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want, but I&#8217;m not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!</p>
<p>/Animal House</p>
<p>Would he at least publicly acknowledge the extent of his insubordination, voluntarily suspend himself, and vow never to do it again?</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, [30], [31] and [12 + 32] all offer at least an alternative reading of what happened there. You certainly don&#039;t have to buy it, but we certainly don&#039;t have to all the way to agreeing with &#039;Foster lost his standing to be an umpire.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, [30], [31] and [12 + 32] all offer at least an alternative reading of what happened there. You certainly don&#8217;t have to buy it, but we certainly don&#8217;t have to all the way to agreeing with &#8216;Foster lost his standing to be an umpire.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: seamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ack, the ump pissed me off but I didn&#039;t take it personally.  A bad day at the office or whatever.  Move on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ack, the ump pissed me off but I didn&#8217;t take it personally.  A bad day at the office or whatever.  Move on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umpires are teh suk!

Always have been, always will be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umpires are teh suk!</p>
<p>Always have been, always will be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] &lt;b&gt;People say stupid things under stress, and umps blow calls. Pissed off as I am by two calls that truly altered that game, my sense is that Foster was essentially saying, ‘If the ball beats you and I don’t SEE clearly that you did some Housini escape, I’m going to call you out.’&lt;/b&gt;

To describe what Foster did as stupid is to rob the word of its commonly understood definition, which according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dictionary.com&lt;/a&gt; is &quot;lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.&quot;  

That isn&#039;t what Foster did. To the contrary, Foster arrogated to himself the ability to make up his own rules because he lacked the integrity to follow those prescribed by MLB. 

If he had merely misinterpreted or misapplied the MLB rule, that could reasonably be called stupid. Ignoring the rule, however, is to defy established authority, which is insubordination.

It&#039;s as if a lower court judge ruled that the Equal Protection Clause or the First Amendment didn&#039;t exist, which would be an impeachable offense.

Foster has lost the standing to be an umpire. It&#039;s time to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] <b>People say stupid things under stress, and umps blow calls. Pissed off as I am by two calls that truly altered that game, my sense is that Foster was essentially saying, ‘If the ball beats you and I don’t SEE clearly that you did some Housini escape, I’m going to call you out.’</b></p>
<p>To describe what Foster did as stupid is to rob the word of its commonly understood definition, which according to <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupid" rel="nofollow">dictionary.com</a> is &#8220;lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t what Foster did. To the contrary, Foster arrogated to himself the ability to make up his own rules because he lacked the integrity to follow those prescribed by MLB. </p>
<p>If he had merely misinterpreted or misapplied the MLB rule, that could reasonably be called stupid. Ignoring the rule, however, is to defy established authority, which is insubordination.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if a lower court judge ruled that the Equal Protection Clause or the First Amendment didn&#8217;t exist, which would be an impeachable offense.</p>
<p>Foster has lost the standing to be an umpire. It&#8217;s time to go.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] Thank you.  A much better version of what I was trying to say back in [12].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] Thank you.  A much better version of what I was trying to say back in [12].</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[28] I would imagine it has something to do with the difference between actively (or willfully) doing something wrong and simply making an honest mistake. 

The question with Foster, though, is was this an honest mistake.  Which leads to...

[29] I think that a lot of people are misunderstanding what Foster (presumably) meant by what he (presumably) said. I don&#039;t think that he was &quot;flouting the rules&quot; or even a misunderstanding of the rules. Rather, it had long been one of those &quot;unwritten rules&#039; (see [14]), an unfortunate but all too common &quot;courtesy&quot; that when a throw beats the runner by a mile, he will be called out. It is exactly equivalent to the &quot;neighborhood call&quot; at second base (see [26]). 

Rance Mulliniks, the former player and now Jays announcer, basically said the same thing: (paraphrasing) &quot;When the throw beats you [the runner], you&#039;re usually not going to get that call.&quot; 

Hirschbeck said the same thing: &quot;...Nowadays, with the cameras, ESPN and the reporters, I say the media, I actually mean television — it used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”

Now, this does not make what Foster did acceptable--it&#039;s not.  And indeed Hirschbeck&#039;s statement indicates that umps have moved away from this type of call (not because it was wrong. mind you, only because more cameras put them under greater scrutiny). But the reality is that Foster&#039;s bigger mistake made was in being too explicit in admitting that he called Jeter out because the throw beat him.  If he just went through the motions and said &quot;from my view he tagged you,&quot; everyone would have accepted it--even though most would have known deep down that the call was made because the throw arrived well before the runner, not because of the tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[28] I would imagine it has something to do with the difference between actively (or willfully) doing something wrong and simply making an honest mistake. </p>
<p>The question with Foster, though, is was this an honest mistake.  Which leads to&#8230;</p>
<p>[29] I think that a lot of people are misunderstanding what Foster (presumably) meant by what he (presumably) said. I don&#8217;t think that he was &#8220;flouting the rules&#8221; or even a misunderstanding of the rules. Rather, it had long been one of those &#8220;unwritten rules&#8217; (see [14]), an unfortunate but all too common &#8220;courtesy&#8221; that when a throw beats the runner by a mile, he will be called out. It is exactly equivalent to the &#8220;neighborhood call&#8221; at second base (see [26]). </p>
<p>Rance Mulliniks, the former player and now Jays announcer, basically said the same thing: (paraphrasing) &#8220;When the throw beats you [the runner], you&#8217;re usually not going to get that call.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hirschbeck said the same thing: &#8220;&#8230;Nowadays, with the cameras, ESPN and the reporters, I say the media, I actually mean television — it used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”</p>
<p>Now, this does not make what Foster did acceptable&#8211;it&#8217;s not.  And indeed Hirschbeck&#8217;s statement indicates that umps have moved away from this type of call (not because it was wrong. mind you, only because more cameras put them under greater scrutiny). But the reality is that Foster&#8217;s bigger mistake made was in being too explicit in admitting that he called Jeter out because the throw beat him.  If he just went through the motions and said &#8220;from my view he tagged you,&#8221; everyone would have accepted it&#8211;even though most would have known deep down that the call was made because the throw arrived well before the runner, not because of the tag.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People say stupid things under stress, and umps blow calls. Pissed off as I am by two calls that truly altered that game, my sense is that Foster was essentially saying, &#039;If the ball beats you and I don&#039;t SEE clearly that you did some Housini escape, I&#039;m going to call you out.&#039;

All umps DO do that. To do the show it-pull it away or any other slick move to beat a waiting tag, you need to have the ump actually see it clearly, and sometimes positioning doesn&#039;t allow that. Foster&#039;s point (if we care to give him any benefit of any doubt as a veteran ump) is that since he didn&#039;t see Jeter dodge the glove, he had to go with the ball arriving first, and Jeter knows that&#039;s what umps will do.

I am aware that this isn&#039;t how he SEEMS to have put it (he doesn&#039;t have to tag you) but since that is so entirely outside the rulebook, it really only makes sense to put this kind of spin on it. So he missed a call, just as Teixeira&#039;s slide to home earlier in the series was missed by an ump in the wrong position (too far up third base line ... hey, was it Foster?) and the ball arriving first ruled the day.

Every player knows he&#039;s taking a chance on his nifty evasion being missed.

The one at 2nd base was just flat-out bad.

[28] Bud, EVERYONE cares. We also mostly know it evens out, and calls will be blown. Sometimes (playoff games, any sport)m it is more painful than others. We all know examples. Jeter got a homer on one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People say stupid things under stress, and umps blow calls. Pissed off as I am by two calls that truly altered that game, my sense is that Foster was essentially saying, &#8216;If the ball beats you and I don&#8217;t SEE clearly that you did some Housini escape, I&#8217;m going to call you out.&#8217;</p>
<p>All umps DO do that. To do the show it-pull it away or any other slick move to beat a waiting tag, you need to have the ump actually see it clearly, and sometimes positioning doesn&#8217;t allow that. Foster&#8217;s point (if we care to give him any benefit of any doubt as a veteran ump) is that since he didn&#8217;t see Jeter dodge the glove, he had to go with the ball arriving first, and Jeter knows that&#8217;s what umps will do.</p>
<p>I am aware that this isn&#8217;t how he SEEMS to have put it (he doesn&#8217;t have to tag you) but since that is so entirely outside the rulebook, it really only makes sense to put this kind of spin on it. So he missed a call, just as Teixeira&#8217;s slide to home earlier in the series was missed by an ump in the wrong position (too far up third base line &#8230; hey, was it Foster?) and the ball arriving first ruled the day.</p>
<p>Every player knows he&#8217;s taking a chance on his nifty evasion being missed.</p>
<p>The one at 2nd base was just flat-out bad.</p>
<p>[28] Bud, EVERYONE cares. We also mostly know it evens out, and calls will be blown. Sometimes (playoff games, any sport)m it is more painful than others. We all know examples. Jeter got a homer on one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[25]  &lt;b&gt;I wouldn’t want a guy losing his job for saying something incredibly stupid,&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s where I disagree. I don&#039;t think it was stupid, I think Foster&#039;s blatant attempt to flout the rules demonstrated such a lack of integrity that he no longer possesses the requisite authority to be a credible umpire. To make matters worse, he didn&#039;t have the guts to face the press after the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[25]  <b>I wouldn’t want a guy losing his job for saying something incredibly stupid,</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s where I disagree. I don&#8217;t think it was stupid, I think Foster&#8217;s blatant attempt to flout the rules demonstrated such a lack of integrity that he no longer possesses the requisite authority to be a credible umpire. To make matters worse, he didn&#8217;t have the guts to face the press after the game.</p>
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