Comments on: Our Lady of Perpetual Agony

By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO

Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:48:41 +0000

[34,48] William, I agree with you on this. Manny led the Sox to TWO championships..and look at his stats when he was supposedly “dogging it” last summer! Players don’t owe management anything..Sox tried to get rid of him several times anyway..

By: williamnyy23

williamnyy23 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:10:28 +0000

[34] I couldn’t disagree with your take anymore. For years, the Red Sox let it be known that they didn’t want Manny, despite the fact that he was their single biggest contributor. After all of his contributions, all he wanted that season was to know for sure whether or not the Sox would pick up the options. In the meantime, all he did was lead the team in most offensive categories. Sure, maybe he exaggerated an injury and missed a game or two, but that wouldn’t exactly be something new in the game. Manny was definitely well paid, but he also was a prolific producer. Loyalty is a two way street.

By: williamnyy23

williamnyy23 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:05:40 +0000

Besides not having to face him anymore, one of the best things about the Red Sox dealing Manny was that I’d now be able to root for a fantastic player. Ironically, I find myself rooting for him even more after the suspension because it’s the best way to thumb my nose at the sanctimonious media and hypocritical MLB executive class.

By: The Hawk

The Hawk — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:01:23 +0000

[31] Down the rabbit hole, my friend!

By: OldYanksFan

OldYanksFan — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:43:55 +0000

One sensitive Jay’s fan on the record:
http://www.drunkjaysfans.com/2009/07/fuck-off-rosenthal.html

By: OldYanksFan

OldYanksFan — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:37:40 +0000

Hoss… the Yankees had 3 position players worth waiting for. Tabata is now gone, so AJax and Montero is all that is left. You want to trade the better of the 2 for a pitcher…. when we already have CC and company? I mean, Halliday is sexy, but do you really think we should trade our prized youth for him? I say throw a NL team $5m to get him out of our division and feel lucky.

(Wow… your take on this is sooooo un-1965)

By: OldYanksFan

OldYanksFan — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:33:44 +0000

We already have a ton of $$$ wrapped up in CC and AJ. Joba and Phil look like SPs to me. We have some other decent arms on the farm, and pitchers are the only thing left in the draft, by the time we get to pick.

Sure, everybody would love a Doc Halliday. The guy is the goods, no question. But as long as he doesn’t go to the Sox, I’m happy to pass. If he goes to the NL, that much the better.

Long term/big dollar contracts are always riskier with a P then a position player. With as inflexible as our roster is, I think the Halliday’s of the world are out of the question. It will be a HUGE buyers market this FA season, and maybe next. Salary dumps will abound. I’d rather we get a sweet deal (meaning cheap) on a reliable #3 or #4, they pay with blood for Halliday.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:32:24 +0000

[41] Well, except for the DL this season. And his limited appearances in 2000 and 2001. So, we are talking about injuries of some form or another in five out of 11 full seasons. Plus, when he has been healthy, he has logged a ton of innings–this can be seen as a good news-bad news observation.

Basically what I am saying is that I have very little faith that he will age well, and he is already 32.

As for what’s a fleecing, I think just about any trade that involves high level prospects will be a lopsided victory in the Jays favor. If anything, I would rather the Yankees sit tight and see if they can’t sign him as a FA (at age 34) to a three year deal, and hang on to their prospects.

By: Horace Clarke Era

Horace Clarke Era — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:25:45 +0000

Well,

a) The FA aspect has to be built-in, he’d be negotiating an extension ith any team that signed him.

b) the injury history is an odd thing to say for a guy who logs 220+ most seasons. In 04-05 he was DLed (one was a broken leg, which is not a ‘history’, one was a tired arm) but since then he has been as Iron Man as any pitcher imaginable. We can get ‘oh, that means he’s due to break down’ but we can also note that guys with 4 (5!) pitches and the size and smarts he has and the durability are as likely to be Ryan-types.

I see no one better than Doc in the game. Age would limit me to a 3-4 year extension, to age 37 or so, but I’d feel pretty secure doing that. Complete class act.

c) Well, yeah, if they get fleeced it is a bad deal. I, um, agree! The question was, what’s a fleecing?

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:13:19 +0000

[35] Doc is 32, has a significant injury history, and he’s a free agent in a year-and-a-half. I want no part of any trade for him because the Jays will be able to extort more than maximum value for him. The Yankees will get fleeced on almost any deal they would make.