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		<title>By: The Mick536</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mick536</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend, Allison Redlich, a photo journalist with the Burlington Free Press, was just laid off. She shot courts, cow milking, and local sports. A graphic designer and news writer were also laid off in the recent cutbacks. Though free lancers will probably fill the image boxes, I fear the quality will fall as their numbers decreases accordingly. Check out the AP images on ESPN.com. Lots of congratulations and celebrations. Not much action. They seem to just point and burst. Few have the climatic moments anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend, Allison Redlich, a photo journalist with the Burlington Free Press, was just laid off. She shot courts, cow milking, and local sports. A graphic designer and news writer were also laid off in the recent cutbacks. Though free lancers will probably fill the image boxes, I fear the quality will fall as their numbers decreases accordingly. Check out the AP images on ESPN.com. Lots of congratulations and celebrations. Not much action. They seem to just point and burst. Few have the climatic moments anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: thelarmis</title>
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		<dc:creator>thelarmis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will - you&#039;ve been on fire since you&#039;re back! 

the only newspaper i read, is Baseball Weekly (now called Sports Weekly and distributed by USA Today). i&#039;ve been reading it religiously, every single week, for a good 13 years now. 

it keeps me company at dinner and i enjoy doing the crossword puzzle in the back. i sure hope it stays in print forever! everything else, i get online. and not by way of the &quot;paper&quot; anymore. mostly blogs. 

i do enjoy flipping through Newsday, when i go visit my parents, but i think it&#039;s more of a childhood tradition/memory kinda thing. sucks that Joe Pos doesn&#039;t get paid for his *amazing* blog. i would hope Pete Abe gets paid for his. i surely know Cliff, Alex and the rest of the gang here, should be compensated for their &#039;above &amp; beyond&#039; efforts.

other than that...Jennie Finch was drop dead breathtaking on the mound for USA tonight in the World Cup of Softball !!! : o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will &#8211; you&#8217;ve been on fire since you&#8217;re back! </p>
<p>the only newspaper i read, is Baseball Weekly (now called Sports Weekly and distributed by USA Today). i&#8217;ve been reading it religiously, every single week, for a good 13 years now. </p>
<p>it keeps me company at dinner and i enjoy doing the crossword puzzle in the back. i sure hope it stays in print forever! everything else, i get online. and not by way of the &#8220;paper&#8221; anymore. mostly blogs. </p>
<p>i do enjoy flipping through Newsday, when i go visit my parents, but i think it&#8217;s more of a childhood tradition/memory kinda thing. sucks that Joe Pos doesn&#8217;t get paid for his *amazing* blog. i would hope Pete Abe gets paid for his. i surely know Cliff, Alex and the rest of the gang here, should be compensated for their &#8216;above &amp; beyond&#8217; efforts.</p>
<p>other than that&#8230;Jennie Finch was drop dead breathtaking on the mound for USA tonight in the World Cup of Softball !!! : o</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[7] After such an embarrassing debacle in L.A., I&#039;ll settle for six of eight.

I think we need a few Banterers to go to some games to win the other two.

As long as Flash doesn&#039;t call any games from the booth, I think we&#039;re golden!

: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[7] After such an embarrassing debacle in L.A., I&#8217;ll settle for six of eight.</p>
<p>I think we need a few Banterers to go to some games to win the other two.</p>
<p>As long as Flash doesn&#8217;t call any games from the booth, I think we&#8217;re golden!</p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4] A notable observation, Mick. I guess the reason I left it out is because the photographers can so easily hook on with a Getty Images or Associated Press and do stringer work that their contributions are lost in the fray of coverage. There are no real &quot;beat photographers.&quot; If there are, I&#039;ve never met them. 

[5] No problem. Joe Pos&#039;s answer to your question was phenomenal. I did NOT see it going in that direction, but it plays right into my intellectual wheelhouse. 

[6] PJ ... at the rate I&#039;m posting this week, going by your theory, I&#039;m thinking an 8-win homestand is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] A notable observation, Mick. I guess the reason I left it out is because the photographers can so easily hook on with a Getty Images or Associated Press and do stringer work that their contributions are lost in the fray of coverage. There are no real &#8220;beat photographers.&#8221; If there are, I&#8217;ve never met them. </p>
<p>[5] No problem. Joe Pos&#8217;s answer to your question was phenomenal. I did NOT see it going in that direction, but it plays right into my intellectual wheelhouse. </p>
<p>[6] PJ &#8230; at the rate I&#8217;m posting this week, going by your theory, I&#8217;m thinking an 8-win homestand is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work Will! You should make a compilation out of these for a book.

Too bad you didn&#039;t return prior to the Angels series, though!

Heh heh

: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work Will! You should make a compilation out of these for a book.</p>
<p>Too bad you didn&#8217;t return prior to the Angels series, though!</p>
<p>Heh heh</p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks Will. I hadn&#039;t thought of our communications in a while. Interesting to me was how Pos made the issue of fragmentation a larger state-of-humanity sociological phenomenon. Well interesting and sad at the same time.

Perhaps what makes BB so compelling is that is brings together people with a common interest ie. the passion of a sports team to create connection, the opposite of fragmentation. Being identified as a banterer made me feel included, also the opposite of fragmentation. I suppose that we&#039;re the modern day book club. 

On another note, I hope journalists who are top notch, who do inform and do their research deserve a proper medium to relay information, whatever form it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks Will. I hadn&#8217;t thought of our communications in a while. Interesting to me was how Pos made the issue of fragmentation a larger state-of-humanity sociological phenomenon. Well interesting and sad at the same time.</p>
<p>Perhaps what makes BB so compelling is that is brings together people with a common interest ie. the passion of a sports team to create connection, the opposite of fragmentation. Being identified as a banterer made me feel included, also the opposite of fragmentation. I suppose that we&#8217;re the modern day book club. </p>
<p>On another note, I hope journalists who are top notch, who do inform and do their research deserve a proper medium to relay information, whatever form it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mick536</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mick536</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece. Noticeably absent was any reference to the photojournalists who follow the game. Like the guys who used to read Playboy for the stories, I read the papers for the pictures. And, to paraphrase Duvall in Apocalypse, I love the feeling of print on my hands in the morning. But, I am old, one of the groups expected to read printed matter (books and magazines included). My view doesn&#039;t count, because I won&#039;t be here much longer.

I also have a bookcase filled with baseball books which the library doesn&#039;t want. And what do I do with my Baseball Encyclopedia, Total Baseball, Baseball Timeline; and Neft and Cohen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece. Noticeably absent was any reference to the photojournalists who follow the game. Like the guys who used to read Playboy for the stories, I read the papers for the pictures. And, to paraphrase Duvall in Apocalypse, I love the feeling of print on my hands in the morning. But, I am old, one of the groups expected to read printed matter (books and magazines included). My view doesn&#8217;t count, because I won&#8217;t be here much longer.</p>
<p>I also have a bookcase filled with baseball books which the library doesn&#8217;t want. And what do I do with my Baseball Encyclopedia, Total Baseball, Baseball Timeline; and Neft and Cohen?</p>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] and [2] Thanks for the compliments, guys. I found it fascinating also. I&#039;m planning to make this into a mini-series, lining up different writers each time. I&#039;ll vary the questions depending on the time of year, seeing how things progress. Any suggestions you&#039;d like to offer up, please e-mail me &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:will_weiss@yahoo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] and [2] Thanks for the compliments, guys. I found it fascinating also. I&#8217;m planning to make this into a mini-series, lining up different writers each time. I&#8217;ll vary the questions depending on the time of year, seeing how things progress. Any suggestions you&#8217;d like to offer up, please e-mail me <a href="mailto:will_weiss@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattpat11</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattpat11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who was stupid enough to consider getting into the business these days, this stuff is fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who was stupid enough to consider getting into the business these days, this stuff is fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really thought-provoking stuff.  Thanks, Will.

I wonder if the newspapers&#039; business model was always destined to fail.  They used ad revenue to keep the cost to consumers cheap - did they think ad revenue would never disappear?  That was pretty stupid.  Less ad revenue = higher cost to a product people are used to paying very little for = fewer subscribers and buyers = cycle of doom.  The presence of so much of the content online, for free, just helps it along.

I would gladly pay more for a newspaper than I did before, and I bet many other people would too.  But the real problem is that so much of what&#039;s in newspapers these days is garbage.  Its not actual reporting, its stenographing.  There&#039;s almost no value-added.  Kepner is right - don&#039;t just tell me what&#039;s going on, tell me why, and most importantly, dig into the facts to separate reality from bullshit.  

To use an example we&#039;re all familiar with, if an executive with a sports team that just built a new stadium tells a reporter, the dimensions are the same as the old stadium, don&#039;t just give me the quotes from the exec in the article, and then say that someone else says something different.  Talk to sources - the architects, the construction workers, the maintenance guys - someone knows what those dimensions really are, how tall the wall really is.  Find the blueprints for the place.  Get that information out there in the story - and if it turns out the exec&#039;s quotes are bullshit, report that.  That&#039;s what the reporter can do that I can&#039;t.

I won&#039;t even get into what corporate ownership of the media, and expectation of profits, has done.  I think that&#039;s the root cause of a lot of the problem, but this post is long enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really thought-provoking stuff.  Thanks, Will.</p>
<p>I wonder if the newspapers&#8217; business model was always destined to fail.  They used ad revenue to keep the cost to consumers cheap &#8211; did they think ad revenue would never disappear?  That was pretty stupid.  Less ad revenue = higher cost to a product people are used to paying very little for = fewer subscribers and buyers = cycle of doom.  The presence of so much of the content online, for free, just helps it along.</p>
<p>I would gladly pay more for a newspaper than I did before, and I bet many other people would too.  But the real problem is that so much of what&#8217;s in newspapers these days is garbage.  Its not actual reporting, its stenographing.  There&#8217;s almost no value-added.  Kepner is right &#8211; don&#8217;t just tell me what&#8217;s going on, tell me why, and most importantly, dig into the facts to separate reality from bullshit.  </p>
<p>To use an example we&#8217;re all familiar with, if an executive with a sports team that just built a new stadium tells a reporter, the dimensions are the same as the old stadium, don&#8217;t just give me the quotes from the exec in the article, and then say that someone else says something different.  Talk to sources &#8211; the architects, the construction workers, the maintenance guys &#8211; someone knows what those dimensions really are, how tall the wall really is.  Find the blueprints for the place.  Get that information out there in the story &#8211; and if it turns out the exec&#8217;s quotes are bullshit, report that.  That&#8217;s what the reporter can do that I can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t even get into what corporate ownership of the media, and expectation of profits, has done.  I think that&#8217;s the root cause of a lot of the problem, but this post is long enough.</p>
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