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	<title>Comments on: Joba! Joba! We Accept You! We Accept You! One Of Us!</title>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/07/30/joba-joba-we-accept-you-we-accept-you-one-of-us/#comment-197116</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow..one innocent comment about not liking Steinbrenner and all hell breaks loose! 

But we should all refrain from criticizing Dick Cheney, no matter what our political beliefs. After all, as some have commented here, he was instrumental in defending our country throughout his career. I for one slept better as a wee lad knowing that men like Cheney were sending our boys into Grenada back in the 1980s. Likewise, when voted against sanctions against apartheid-era South Africa. How lucky he stood up for our economic interests in Africa! And of course, his leadership after 9/11 when he led to the charge to fight Saddam Hussein, who was an Arab just like Osama bin Laden, an obvious connection! No, it&#039;s very wrong to compare Dick Cheney to Steinbrenner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow..one innocent comment about not liking Steinbrenner and all hell breaks loose! </p>
<p>But we should all refrain from criticizing Dick Cheney, no matter what our political beliefs. After all, as some have commented here, he was instrumental in defending our country throughout his career. I for one slept better as a wee lad knowing that men like Cheney were sending our boys into Grenada back in the 1980s. Likewise, when voted against sanctions against apartheid-era South Africa. How lucky he stood up for our economic interests in Africa! And of course, his leadership after 9/11 when he led to the charge to fight Saddam Hussein, who was an Arab just like Osama bin Laden, an obvious connection! No, it&#8217;s very wrong to compare Dick Cheney to Steinbrenner!</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do a significant number of fans actually like--or even prefer--announcers such as Kay and Sterling?  Or do networks simply enjoy mocking their audience, knowing that we&#039;ll watch/listen no matter how bad the announcers are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do a significant number of fans actually like&#8211;or even prefer&#8211;announcers such as Kay and Sterling?  Or do networks simply enjoy mocking their audience, knowing that we&#8217;ll watch/listen no matter how bad the announcers are?</p>
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		<title>By: Start Spreading the News</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/07/30/joba-joba-we-accept-you-we-accept-you-one-of-us/#comment-197114</link>
		<dc:creator>Start Spreading the News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[95] Ha. Ha. No doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[95] Ha. Ha. No doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[91] No, I am still not embarrassed because the list of good things he has done would probably crash the Word Press servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[91] No, I am still not embarrassed because the list of good things he has done would probably crash the Word Press servers.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[93] Just read that now...RSN must not be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[93] Just read that now&#8230;RSN must not be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sliced Bread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sliced Bread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy shit, this just in on ESPN.com:

Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.

The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit, this just in on ESPN.com:</p>
<p>Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.</p>
<p>The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007</p>
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		<title>By: Start Spreading the News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Start Spreading the News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we have Steinbrenner to thank for the &quot;God Bless America&quot; at the Stadium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we have Steinbrenner to thank for the &#8220;God Bless America&#8221; at the Stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: Start Spreading the News</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/07/30/joba-joba-we-accept-you-we-accept-you-one-of-us/#comment-197109</link>
		<dc:creator>Start Spreading the News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[42] &quot;He would usually forgive and forget and then rehire them.&quot;

And then fire them and then rehire them and then fire them and rehire them and fire them and .....

Since we all know Steinbrenner positives (he spent on the team and charities), let&#039;s also consider some of the ways he embarrassed us as Yankee fans:
1. He donated illegally to Nixon and became a felon. This led him to being kicked out of baseball by Commissioner Kuhn.
2. Pissed off many players and coaches. See Yogi Berra for example. 
3. Implemented a dumb policy on hair that led to the bench of Don Mattingly and an ensuing media frenzy.
4. Winfield/Spira which led to his 2nd ban from baseball
5. Held a press conference during the 1981 World Series claiming he was in a fight with Dodger fans in an elevator. The claim was never validated, nor the injuries for which he wore a cast.
6. While the Yanks were rolling in money and signing players to record contracts, he threatened to cut a $100,000 dental plan for all his employees.

What a nice guy!

ESPN even made a list:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1568568&amp;type=page2Story

Still not embarrassed by Steinbrenner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[42] &#8220;He would usually forgive and forget and then rehire them.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then fire them and then rehire them and then fire them and rehire them and fire them and &#8230;..</p>
<p>Since we all know Steinbrenner positives (he spent on the team and charities), let&#8217;s also consider some of the ways he embarrassed us as Yankee fans:<br />
1. He donated illegally to Nixon and became a felon. This led him to being kicked out of baseball by Commissioner Kuhn.<br />
2. Pissed off many players and coaches. See Yogi Berra for example.<br />
3. Implemented a dumb policy on hair that led to the bench of Don Mattingly and an ensuing media frenzy.<br />
4. Winfield/Spira which led to his 2nd ban from baseball<br />
5. Held a press conference during the 1981 World Series claiming he was in a fight with Dodger fans in an elevator. The claim was never validated, nor the injuries for which he wore a cast.<br />
6. While the Yanks were rolling in money and signing players to record contracts, he threatened to cut a $100,000 dental plan for all his employees.</p>
<p>What a nice guy!</p>
<p>ESPN even made a list:<br />
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1568568&#038;type=page2Story" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1568568&#038;type=page2Story</a></p>
<p>Still not embarrassed by Steinbrenner?</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[83] Ah, good. Can be used for small-ball and landscaping.

Now the fleet is all set. Let&#039;s roll!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[83] Ah, good. Can be used for small-ball and landscaping.</p>
<p>Now the fleet is all set. Let&#8217;s roll!</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I just can’t buy the argument that suggests that action permanently smears GS as a villain.&lt;/b&gt;

Neither can I.  Having said that, it isn&#039;t that action that GS is smeared as a villian.  It is that action combined with others that had him permanently smeared as a villian.

[81] It was a tongue in cheek question referencing a since banned member :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I just can’t buy the argument that suggests that action permanently smears GS as a villain.</b></p>
<p>Neither can I.  Having said that, it isn&#8217;t that action that GS is smeared as a villian.  It is that action combined with others that had him permanently smeared as a villian.</p>
<p>[81] It was a tongue in cheek question referencing a since banned member <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[82] Again, I&#039;m sorry. It was a poor analogy, especially here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[82] Again, I&#8217;m sorry. It was a poor analogy, especially here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bama Yankee</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/07/30/joba-joba-we-accept-you-we-accept-you-one-of-us/#comment-197105</link>
		<dc:creator>Bama Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[84] Get your replica Score Trucks while you can...they&#039;re selling like hot cakes (die cast hot cakes)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[84] Get your replica Score Trucks while you can&#8230;they&#8217;re selling like hot cakes (die cast hot cakes)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[80] The problem is you were exactly excusing it, and him, earlier in the thread. The other problem is Spira was the tip of the iceberg. They disciplined him then because he clearly crossed the line and publicly. But it wasn&#039;t an isolated incident. It was par. He just got caught doing it to a well-known player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[80] The problem is you were exactly excusing it, and him, earlier in the thread. The other problem is Spira was the tip of the iceberg. They disciplined him then because he clearly crossed the line and publicly. But it wasn&#8217;t an isolated incident. It was par. He just got caught doing it to a well-known player.</p>
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		<title>By: Bama Yankee</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/07/30/joba-joba-we-accept-you-we-accept-you-one-of-us/#comment-197103</link>
		<dc:creator>Bama Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[79] I saw the Wang Truck...it made me sad when I saw it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[79] I saw the Wang Truck&#8230;it made me sad when I saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to distract from the great political discussion going on, but damn the Yankees offense is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to distract from the great political discussion going on, but damn the Yankees offense is awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Bama Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bama Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[79] Here&#039;s the Ford pickup:
http://www.amazon.com/York-Yankees-F-100-Pickup-Truck/dp/B000ICIG4W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[79] Here&#8217;s the Ford pickup:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/York-Yankees-F-100-Pickup-Truck/dp/B000ICIG4W" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/York-Yankees-F-100-Pickup-Truck/dp/B000ICIG4W</a></p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[70] &lt;i&gt;I had no idea his apologists here.&lt;/i&gt;

Cripes, man, it&#039;s not about &quot;apologists&quot; for the man. It&#039;s that one should not introduce blatant political statements into the discussion to begin with. I&#039;m not taking one side or another, and I&#039;m not apologizing for anyone or any party. Nor should I here, in the BASEBALL blog, with clear guidelines for commenting.  

By the way, very clever how in your &quot;apology&quot; you got to take a few more political swipes (Darth Paranoid, dismissive tone of surprise that there might be &quot;apologists&quot; on the site--heaven forbid).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[70] <i>I had no idea his apologists here.</i></p>
<p>Cripes, man, it&#8217;s not about &#8220;apologists&#8221; for the man. It&#8217;s that one should not introduce blatant political statements into the discussion to begin with. I&#8217;m not taking one side or another, and I&#8217;m not apologizing for anyone or any party. Nor should I here, in the BASEBALL blog, with clear guidelines for commenting.  </p>
<p>By the way, very clever how in your &#8220;apology&#8221; you got to take a few more political swipes (Darth Paranoid, dismissive tone of surprise that there might be &#8220;apologists&#8221; on the site&#8211;heaven forbid).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cashman? What does any of this have to do with him?

He&#039;s okay, I guess. I wish he&#039;d trade surplus for needs sometimes, and he&#039;s not the greatest baseball mind, but he knows how to handle the NY press. That&#039;s pretty valuable as we&#039;re seeing from Minaya. Plus, he does seem to value prospects and he&#039;s been smart about keeping them by stressing how much money they can save. Good but not great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cashman? What does any of this have to do with him?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s okay, I guess. I wish he&#8217;d trade surplus for needs sometimes, and he&#8217;s not the greatest baseball mind, but he knows how to handle the NY press. That&#8217;s pretty valuable as we&#8217;re seeing from Minaya. Plus, he does seem to value prospects and he&#8217;s been smart about keeping them by stressing how much money they can save. Good but not great.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[74] Who said the color line led to the advent to MLBPA? I just put that forward as something that owners did for which no one was banned.

Also, one more time, I am not excusing what Steinbrenner did in the Spira incident. I&#039;ve called it a reprehensible act, but I won&#039;t go further than that. I just can&#039;t buy the argument that suggests that action permanently smears GS as a villain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[74] Who said the color line led to the advent to MLBPA? I just put that forward as something that owners did for which no one was banned.</p>
<p>Also, one more time, I am not excusing what Steinbrenner did in the Spira incident. I&#8217;ve called it a reprehensible act, but I won&#8217;t go further than that. I just can&#8217;t buy the argument that suggests that action permanently smears GS as a villain.</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A monster truck would be good, for a Teixeira homer especially.

There&#039;s a certain irony to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shop.com/Chien_Ming_Wang_New_York_Yankees_1%3A64_Scale_Plastic_Trailer-86728305-p!.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Score Truck&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shop.com/Derek_Jeter_New_York_Yankees_1996_Rookie_of_the_Year_1%3A64_Scale_Plastic_Trailer-86728470-p!.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt; is more like it!

Though I imagined maybe a Ford pickup for a Jeter opposite-field two-run single.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A monster truck would be good, for a Teixeira homer especially.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a certain irony to <a href="http://www.shop.com/Chien_Ming_Wang_New_York_Yankees_1%3A64_Scale_Plastic_Trailer-86728305-p!.shtml" rel="nofollow">this Score Truck</a>.<br />
<a href="http://www.shop.com/Derek_Jeter_New_York_Yankees_1996_Rookie_of_the_Year_1%3A64_Scale_Plastic_Trailer-86728470-p!.shtml" rel="nofollow">This one</a> is more like it!</p>
<p>Though I imagined maybe a Ford pickup for a Jeter opposite-field two-run single.</p>
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