Comments on: Unstoppable

By: Boatzilla

Boatzilla — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:50:11 +0000

For the record, I posted the note about Upton’s ankle sprain and the idea that Cadillacing could be a racially charged term. While there is no way to prove the latter, the former was reported in the ESPN notes section on their story of the game. My point is that the YES announcers should have mentioned the injury instead of simply ragging on Upton about loafing. There is simply no way of knowing if he was going all out or if he was hampered by an injury, and I think the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt despite what he may have been accused of in the past. And BTW, if Ichiro was showboating it would be in a Tokyo Crown not a Honda.

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:22:58 +0000

[90] For those who usually don't know what I'm referring to, read the quotes...

By: Yankster

Yankster — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:16:01 +0000

[33] well said, good summary of the other good comments. There are a lot of stats, position adjusted, by which Jeter is already in the top 10 all time or top 1% all time – that’s easily “great.”

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:15:23 +0000

[88] Don’t eat the five bucks! >;)

By: RagingTartabull

RagingTartabull — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:14:26 +0000

Just to be clear, I’m a white guy…but I’ve ridden in a Cadillac more times than Jack Klompus.

By: Bama Yankee

Bama Yankee — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:12:28 +0000

[85] See, I’ve never even heard of “hogmaws”…but, I’m with you on the cornbread. On that note, I’m heading out for lunch…all this talk about food is making me hungry…

By: RagingTartabull

RagingTartabull — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:10:27 +0000

[81] From the link I posted earlier:

“Dreystadt pointed out that since blacks (Negroes in those days) had
limited access to high-status housing and other signs of success,
wealthy blacks had adopted Cadillac as a status symbol. (Packard was
the favored car of the white old-money class.)

“Dreystadt pointed out that blacks paid a premium to white buyers to
front for them. Demand like this should be exploited, he said. The
committee give Dreystadt 18 months to develop the Negro market. By the
end of 1934, Cadillac sales were moving up and the division was making
money.

So I think the link (some would say “stereotype”) existed for at least a while there. Just to be clear, I absolutely do not think Kay or Flaherty were insinuating anything racial at all.

By: Bama Yankee

Bama Yankee — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:09:37 +0000

[77] I agree. That’s one of the great things about this place. For the record, I’ve learned a lot over the years from the diversity of the people here. It helps that, for the most part, people are civil in their discussions and that we all have the common ground of our love for the Yankees to fall back on.

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:09:13 +0000

[83] Show of hands? I do love me some cornbread, though…

By: The Hawk

The Hawk — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:07:11 +0000

It seems clear that “cadillacing” – the slang verb – doesn’t have its roots in anything racial. Maybe it’s an unfortunate choice of words because Upton’s Aftican-Amercian and these associated Cadillac stereotypes, but it appears to be wholly unrelated.

By: RagingTartabull

RagingTartabull — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:05:19 +0000

[82] hey come on, EVERYONE loves hogmaws

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:02:20 +0000

[75] For the record, I don’t like watermelon, collard greens or mac and cheese, sweet potato pie, chitlins, hogmaws, okra, grits, chicken gizzards or malt liquor; I don’t drink or smoke at all and I don’t like a lot of things commonly stereotyped with black folk, but not because I am actively fighting those stereotypes. I just don’t like the taste/effect, and in the case of drinking and smoking I can’t for health reasons.

By: williamnyy23

williamnyy23 — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:58:33 +0000

[75] I understand all that, but still don’t think the link you are suggesting is anywhere near strong enough or lasting to imply what you think it does. So, we will definitely have to disagree on this…at least until I see some compelling evidence.

By: Sliced Bread

Sliced Bread — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:54:31 +0000

[71] hey, I didnt know Luda’s Swedish! He’s a Cadillac man ljust ike my grandfather.

By: Bama Yankee

Bama Yankee — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:52:17 +0000

[76] You are not out of order, Flash is dull as dishwater… (no offense to any dishwashers out there…

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:49:25 +0000

[72] I’m not taking the blame for this one!

; )

By: Raf

Raf — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:48:57 +0000

[72] We certainly are a diverse bunch

I do enjoy the way we are able to keep things civil around here Well, except for certain instances of course, but Alex & Co. do a pretty good job of maintaining this little sandbox, and for the most part we do play well with each other.

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:47:40 +0000

[65] I reiterate my comments then to include Flaherty then and disclude Kay in that context. Am I out of order for thinking that Flash is, well, boring and thus so easy to tune out and forget?

By: Raf

Raf — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:46:42 +0000

[69] Because I’m sure they had puff pieces back then about Negroes/Coloreds and Cadillacs.

While Cadillacs may be a status symbol, it still doesn’t change the stereotype that for whatever reason they’re linked to black people. Like I mentioned before, I know plenty of white people who enjoy fried chicken and watermelon, but it doesn’t change that for whatever reason, that fried chicken and watermelon are stereotypically linked to black people.

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:45:01 +0000

All of you are out of your minds today. I love it, it makes me feel all peanut buttery inside!