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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s Your Erratic #2 Starter?</title>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/10/30/whos-your-erratic-2-starter/#comment-239403</link>
		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[48] Yeah.  It sounds mostly like Earl sticking it to the league for making up such a clumsy rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[48] Yeah.  It sounds mostly like Earl sticking it to the league for making up such a clumsy rule.</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/10/30/whos-your-erratic-2-starter/#comment-239402</link>
		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, okay, now I get it. That&#039;s a pretty slim advantage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, okay, now I get it. That&#8217;s a pretty slim advantage!</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[45] Actually, neither do I, upon re-reading the paragraph. I found this explanation on anotehr site;

&quot;Though, in the early years of the DH rule, some AL managers would try to use it as a tactical advantage by penciling in the previous day’s pitcher, and then pinch-hitting with the &quot;real&quot; DH batter when he first came to bat. This way, the manager could choose between a right- or left-handed batter to get the platoon advantage if, perhaps, the starter had been pulled early from the game. Earl Weaver was reportedly the most aggressive at using this trick. After a few years, the DH rule was modified to stop such nonsense, and the original DH in the lineup must bat at least once (unless injured).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[45] Actually, neither do I, upon re-reading the paragraph. I found this explanation on anotehr site;</p>
<p>&#8220;Though, in the early years of the DH rule, some AL managers would try to use it as a tactical advantage by penciling in the previous day’s pitcher, and then pinch-hitting with the &#8220;real&#8221; DH batter when he first came to bat. This way, the manager could choose between a right- or left-handed batter to get the platoon advantage if, perhaps, the starter had been pulled early from the game. Earl Weaver was reportedly the most aggressive at using this trick. After a few years, the DH rule was modified to stop such nonsense, and the original DH in the lineup must bat at least once (unless injured).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[36] An excellent point on having Melky up with runners on base/in scoring position, instead of Molina.  Though if Molina hits 7th, that eventually becomes Posada in late innings with runners on . . . 

I think that Manuel&#039;s decision to leave Lee in for the 9th on Wednesday night had nothing to do with using Lee later, but rather because Manuel is even more scared of his bullpen than Girardi is, even with a 6 run lead.  I could see him thinking, &quot;Well if Lee comes out, and I put Madson in, and he gets into trouble . . .  Who do I go to?  Eyre, if a lefty is up, but otherwise . . . Lidge?  Screw it, Lee pitches the 9th!&quot;

That said, I agree that it would be a silly move to start Lee on short rest in Game 4.  But Mike Carminati used to call him Charlie &quot;I Need a Friggin&#039;&quot; Manuel, and I feel confident in saying that, if Mike did that, he probably felt very justified.  Thus, he might very well do something crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[36] An excellent point on having Melky up with runners on base/in scoring position, instead of Molina.  Though if Molina hits 7th, that eventually becomes Posada in late innings with runners on . . . </p>
<p>I think that Manuel&#8217;s decision to leave Lee in for the 9th on Wednesday night had nothing to do with using Lee later, but rather because Manuel is even more scared of his bullpen than Girardi is, even with a 6 run lead.  I could see him thinking, &#8220;Well if Lee comes out, and I put Madson in, and he gets into trouble . . .  Who do I go to?  Eyre, if a lefty is up, but otherwise . . . Lidge?  Screw it, Lee pitches the 9th!&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I agree that it would be a silly move to start Lee on short rest in Game 4.  But Mike Carminati used to call him Charlie &#8220;I Need a Friggin&#8217;&#8221; Manuel, and I feel confident in saying that, if Mike did that, he probably felt very justified.  Thus, he might very well do something crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel dumb. I don&#039;t understand the point of Weaver&#039;s tactic. What was the advantage??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel dumb. I don&#8217;t understand the point of Weaver&#8217;s tactic. What was the advantage??</p>
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		<title>By: ms october</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/10/30/whos-your-erratic-2-starter/#comment-239397</link>
		<dc:creator>ms october</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[38] extra credit creative points for you mp on starting a ph -  i am impressed

you are a step ahead of me today - i also think the ph double swith comes into efefct and that is another reason to break them up - course this is all mute if aj doesn&#039;t pitch game 5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[38] extra credit creative points for you mp on starting a ph &#8211;  i am impressed</p>
<p>you are a step ahead of me today &#8211; i also think the ph double swith comes into efefct and that is another reason to break them up &#8211; course this is all mute if aj doesn&#8217;t pitch game 5</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[42] I believe that&#039;s pronounced &quot;identical.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[42] I believe that&#8217;s pronounced &#8220;identical.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[40] Aha!  Not identicle, but I may have been thinking about...

&lt;i&gt;During the month of September, 1980, Baltimore Orioles manager Earl Weaver inserted a pitcher into the DH slot but would use a hitting specialist (such as Benny Ayala or Terry Crowley) to pinch-hit when the designated hitter&#039;s first turn came up. There was a game on September 17, 1980, during which the Orioles and the Detroit Tigers both used the short-lived strategy. [9] (Note: Due to the loophole taken advantage of by Earl Weaver, there was a rule change shortly thereafter that states the DH must come to bat at least once, unless the opposing team changes pitchers.&lt;i&gt;

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Designated_hitter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[40] Aha!  Not identicle, but I may have been thinking about&#8230;</p>
<p><i>During the month of September, 1980, Baltimore Orioles manager Earl Weaver inserted a pitcher into the DH slot but would use a hitting specialist (such as Benny Ayala or Terry Crowley) to pinch-hit when the designated hitter&#8217;s first turn came up. There was a game on September 17, 1980, during which the Orioles and the Detroit Tigers both used the short-lived strategy. [9] (Note: Due to the loophole taken advantage of by Earl Weaver, there was a rule change shortly thereafter that states the DH must come to bat at least once, unless the opposing team changes pitchers.</i><i></p>
<p><a href="http://wapedia.mobi/en/Designated_hitter" rel="nofollow">http://wapedia.mobi/en/Designated_hitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[40] &lt;i&gt;Has any manager ever done that?&lt;/i&gt;

I have a feeling that earl Weaver did something like this, maybe when the DH rule was first introduced (which led to a change in the rule, maybe?).  Whomever, I have a sneaking suspicion that I got this idea from someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[40] <i>Has any manager ever done that?</i></p>
<p>I have a feeling that earl Weaver did something like this, maybe when the DH rule was first introduced (which led to a change in the rule, maybe?).  Whomever, I have a sneaking suspicion that I got this idea from someone.</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[38] Good point about double-switching. But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s smart to make the line-up on the assumption that slumping batters will keep slumping. Some of those guys will emerge from their slumps during the Series, and Melky is a whole lot more likely to do so than Molina is to emerge from his seven year slump.

Starting a pinch hitter is an interesting idea! Has any manager ever done that? I guess the problem is that you&#039;re using up a good bat in a very low-leverage situation.

Slump. Slump.
What an excellent word.
Slumping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[38] Good point about double-switching. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s smart to make the line-up on the assumption that slumping batters will keep slumping. Some of those guys will emerge from their slumps during the Series, and Melky is a whole lot more likely to do so than Molina is to emerge from his seven year slump.</p>
<p>Starting a pinch hitter is an interesting idea! Has any manager ever done that? I guess the problem is that you&#8217;re using up a good bat in a very low-leverage situation.</p>
<p>Slump. Slump.<br />
What an excellent word.<br />
Slumping.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[36] Well, manuel is  a bit crazy.  But I think your right...he&#039;s not going to use Lee on short rest unless the situation is dire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[36] Well, manuel is  a bit crazy.  But I think your right&#8230;he&#8217;s not going to use Lee on short rest unless the situation is dire.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[35] et al.  I was also thinking that by breaking up the C and P, the inevitable (?) double switch could be more interesting, as there is a better chance to have the pitcher go into a spot that had already batted (the catcher at 6 or 7) and never have to be PH for.  I think that works anyway.

[29] I had thought about that, but since the entire team seems to be scuffling (except Jeter), I look at spots 6-9 as largely interchangeable. Thus, Molina batting 6th or 7th is not breaking up the good hitters, it&#039;s just rearranging slumping hacktastic hitters. 

I was also playing with some crazy idea of starting Hairston or Hinske at C and batting him second. Then removing him in the bottom of the first for Molina, who would then not bat until an inning or so later than he usually would (his first AB might be the 4th inning). In this way, you could probably get 6 or even 7 innings out of AJ with Molina at C and only one AB, by which time it is likely that AJ has been PH for. If Molina bats more than a couple of times in this arrangement, then the Yankees have likely scored a good number of runs, so it may not matter.

It&#039;s just a crazy thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[35] et al.  I was also thinking that by breaking up the C and P, the inevitable (?) double switch could be more interesting, as there is a better chance to have the pitcher go into a spot that had already batted (the catcher at 6 or 7) and never have to be PH for.  I think that works anyway.</p>
<p>[29] I had thought about that, but since the entire team seems to be scuffling (except Jeter), I look at spots 6-9 as largely interchangeable. Thus, Molina batting 6th or 7th is not breaking up the good hitters, it&#8217;s just rearranging slumping hacktastic hitters. </p>
<p>I was also playing with some crazy idea of starting Hairston or Hinske at C and batting him second. Then removing him in the bottom of the first for Molina, who would then not bat until an inning or so later than he usually would (his first AB might be the 4th inning). In this way, you could probably get 6 or even 7 innings out of AJ with Molina at C and only one AB, by which time it is likely that AJ has been PH for. If Molina bats more than a couple of times in this arrangement, then the Yankees have likely scored a good number of runs, so it may not matter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a crazy thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[35] Nice that we have the horses we do, eh?</description>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, (a) it probably doesn&#039;t make much difference whether Melk and Molina bat 7 and 8 or 8 and 7. My thought was really that our 5, 6, 7 batters are pretty good at getting on base, and you&#039;d definitely rather have Melky up with those runners on than Molina. And (b) I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way Lee starts Game Four. If Manuel were seriously considering it, Lee wouldn&#039;t have pitched the ninth inning Wednesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, (a) it probably doesn&#8217;t make much difference whether Melk and Molina bat 7 and 8 or 8 and 7. My thought was really that our 5, 6, 7 batters are pretty good at getting on base, and you&#8217;d definitely rather have Melky up with those runners on than Molina. And (b) I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way Lee starts Game Four. If Manuel were seriously considering it, Lee wouldn&#8217;t have pitched the ninth inning Wednesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[19] [29] The matchup matters too.  I read this morning at RiverAveBlues that Lee has never pitched on short rest in his MLB career.  If Manuel uses him in Game 4, Pedro can&#039;t possibly pitch Game 5 on short rest.  If Happ starts Game 5, and so does AJ, using Molina might not be too horrible; for a catcher, &quot;Molina &quot;hits&quot; LHP (career .259/.306/.384) ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[19] [29] The matchup matters too.  I read this morning at RiverAveBlues that Lee has never pitched on short rest in his MLB career.  If Manuel uses him in Game 4, Pedro can&#8217;t possibly pitch Game 5 on short rest.  If Happ starts Game 5, and so does AJ, using Molina might not be too horrible; for a catcher, &#8220;Molina &#8220;hits&#8221; LHP (career .259/.306/.384) ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[21] Nick Swisher - this month, anyway.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[21] Nick Swisher &#8211; this month, anyway.  <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[29] Hmm.  Start CC on short rest, have Gaudin/the pen pitch game 5 . . . I like that idea!

And while Melky &gt;&gt; Molina, for sure, is there really much difference to which one bats 7th and which one bats 8th?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[29] Hmm.  Start CC on short rest, have Gaudin/the pen pitch game 5 . . . I like that idea!</p>
<p>And while Melky &gt;&gt; Molina, for sure, is there really much difference to which one bats 7th and which one bats 8th?</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[20] Re. . .making. . . The. . . Warriors. . .?

God damn you Hollywood, God damn you to Hell.  There is no reason on earth to remake that movie.  It&#039;s a classic.  I don&#039;t even like the dvd that has the cartoon fade outs.

What&#039;s next, redoing Star Wars so that Han doesn&#039;t shoot first?  Oh, wait.

But given that so many in Hollywood support the confessed child rapist Roman Polanski, it shouldn&#039;t be a shock.

Pettitte for the 2-1 advantage tomorrow night.  It&#039;ll be a spooktacular game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[20] Re. . .making. . . The. . . Warriors. . .?</p>
<p>God damn you Hollywood, God damn you to Hell.  There is no reason on earth to remake that movie.  It&#8217;s a classic.  I don&#8217;t even like the dvd that has the cartoon fade outs.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next, redoing Star Wars so that Han doesn&#8217;t shoot first?  Oh, wait.</p>
<p>But given that so many in Hollywood support the confessed child rapist Roman Polanski, it shouldn&#8217;t be a shock.</p>
<p>Pettitte for the 2-1 advantage tomorrow night.  It&#8217;ll be a spooktacular game.</p>
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		<title>By: lroibal</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hard to forgive him for dibbling Zim&#039;s head, but he did expose himself when he smiled like a cheshire cat walking off the mound last night. He plays the villain like a fox. 

Congrats to AJ! ..Masterful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to forgive him for dibbling Zim&#8217;s head, but he did expose himself when he smiled like a cheshire cat walking off the mound last night. He plays the villain like a fox. </p>
<p>Congrats to AJ! ..Masterful.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Fair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this costume.  Avoid if you are PC or easily offended.  : D
http://tinyurl.com/yldmru6</description>
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<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yldmru6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yldmru6</a></p>
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