Comments on: Yankee Panky: Offseason? You Want To Talk Offseason? http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/ Baseball Blog by Alex Belth about the Yankees Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:47:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: ny2ca2dc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279597 ny2ca2dc Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:02:59 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279597 I love Granderson. The article speculated that it would take A-Jax, IPK, and Z-Mac. Maybe I'd go for that. For Jackson and just one of the pitchers (maybe plus a K. Texeira) I would probably be down. However: why not just sign Mike Cameron, and keep the kids? I'd like to see: Cameron CF Damon LF Matsui DH DeRosa UT Hinkse (or similar) Bench Bat Zaunn BUC Andy P one of the fragile aces (Beddard, Sheets, Harden, Duchscherer), whichever takes the most flexible contract Wang re-signed I think you could get Cam + Mats + Damon at $26 mil. (the cost of Damon & Mats alone last year), all for 1, 1+option years (maybe 2+ for Damon). I love Granderson. The article speculated that it would take A-Jax, IPK, and Z-Mac. Maybe I’d go for that. For Jackson and just one of the pitchers (maybe plus a K. Texeira) I would probably be down. However: why not just sign Mike Cameron, and keep the kids? I’d like to see:

Cameron CF
Damon LF
Matsui DH

DeRosa UT
Hinkse (or similar) Bench Bat
Zaunn BUC

Andy P
one of the fragile aces (Beddard, Sheets, Harden, Duchscherer), whichever takes the most flexible contract
Wang re-signed

I think you could get Cam + Mats + Damon at $26 mil. (the cost of Damon & Mats alone last year), all for 1, 1+option years (maybe 2+ for Damon).

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279596 Diane Firstman Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:26:24 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279596 Submitted without comment: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/royals-expected-to-sign-betemit.html Submitted without comment:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/royals-expected-to-sign-betemit.html

]]> By: Horace Clarke Era http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279595 Horace Clarke Era Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:26:03 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279595 The Tigers were on their way to a possible union grievance as they were sitting Maggs to get out of that 18 million lunacy. Then he started hitting better and the grievance started looming more (you can sit a guy playing terribly, not one hitting that well). Now they have Maggs at 18 next year and that is a killer for their roster. So, yes, I think they are in trade mode and talent can be gotten. I'd be surprised if they punt in the Central, though. That division remains so winnable. KC in 2010! (Not.) The Tigers were on their way to a possible union grievance as they were sitting Maggs to get out of that 18 million lunacy. Then he started hitting better and the grievance started looming more (you can sit a guy playing terribly, not one hitting that well). Now they have Maggs at 18 next year and that is a killer for their roster. So, yes, I think they are in trade mode and talent can be gotten.

I’d be surprised if they punt in the Central, though. That division remains so winnable. KC in 2010!

(Not.)

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279594 williamnyy23 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:19:35 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279594 The Detroit Tigers owe $100mn to 10 players in 2010, including $65mn to Magglio, Guillen, Bonderman, Willis and Robertson. It is not only possible, but likely that no one from that group will have a significantly positive impact on the team. Detroit may have to just punt 2010, which actually is one reason they shouldn't dump Granderson. At 5, 8 and 10 million over the next three years, he has a very reasonable deal. With so much money coming off the Tigers books in 2011, it would wise for them to tighten their belt this year and look ahead. The Detroit Tigers owe $100mn to 10 players in 2010, including $65mn to Magglio, Guillen, Bonderman, Willis and Robertson. It is not only possible, but likely that no one from that group will have a significantly positive impact on the team. Detroit may have to just punt 2010, which actually is one reason they shouldn’t dump Granderson. At 5, 8 and 10 million over the next three years, he has a very reasonable deal. With so much money coming off the Tigers books in 2011, it would wise for them to tighten their belt this year and look ahead.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279592 williamnyy23 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:10:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279592 [10] Swisher and Granderson might have similar offensive value, but Granderson has played gold glove CF in the past. That's a big difference. Dombrowski has already come out and said the Tigers aren't holding a fire sale, so it's probably a moot point. Having said that, I do think they would consider dealing Granderson, just not for a package as light as IPK-plus. The Swisher deal was a huge fleecing by Cashman, but you can't expect that every year. Also, I think Kenny Williams had his hand forced by Ozzie on that deal. I doubt Granderson is in a similar situation. As for the Tigers payroll, they do have a collection of some of the worst contracts you'll ever find. My only fear with them is that they don't get desperate and dump Cabrera to the Red Sox. [10] Swisher and Granderson might have similar offensive value, but Granderson has played gold glove CF in the past. That’s a big difference.

Dombrowski has already come out and said the Tigers aren’t holding a fire sale, so it’s probably a moot point. Having said that, I do think they would consider dealing Granderson, just not for a package as light as IPK-plus.

The Swisher deal was a huge fleecing by Cashman, but you can’t expect that every year. Also, I think Kenny Williams had his hand forced by Ozzie on that deal. I doubt Granderson is in a similar situation.

As for the Tigers payroll, they do have a collection of some of the worst contracts you’ll ever find. My only fear with them is that they don’t get desperate and dump Cabrera to the Red Sox.

]]> By: Will Weiss http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279591 Will Weiss Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:04:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279591 [1] Sherman didn't mention Yankee centerpieces. IPK, Chien-Ming Wang, Melky Cabrera or maybe even Montero would be in there. I wouldn't discount Austin Jackson, either. ...[6] Gary, you're right. Granderson only hit .183 against lefties and his OBP wasn't what it probably could have been. I still think he'd be a great addition, though. Put him in CF, Melky in LF and deal with Swisher in right and you have something. Brett Gardner's choppy-hack swings that elicit popups have no business seeing the light of day ever again. [1] Sherman didn’t mention Yankee centerpieces. IPK, Chien-Ming Wang, Melky Cabrera or maybe even Montero would be in there. I wouldn’t discount Austin Jackson, either. …[6] Gary, you’re right. Granderson only hit .183 against lefties and his OBP wasn’t what it probably could have been. I still think he’d be a great addition, though. Put him in CF, Melky in LF and deal with Swisher in right and you have something. Brett Gardner’s choppy-hack swings that elicit popups have no business seeing the light of day ever again.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279589 Shaun P. Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:51:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279589 [9] No, but their payroll in 2009 was $115M. Even if they sign no new players, the payroll will go up by $13M, and that's before arbitration awards to Verlander and Jackson. And we all know Detroit (the region) is not exactly doing great financially now. If they have to drop payroll, and they still want to contend, who are they going to trade outside of Granderson? And if they are dropping offense, one way to pick it up to add pitching. A run saved = a run scored. And Granderson is younger than 30, but he's not "young". He's 29 in 2010. That is, he's older than Swisher was when the White Sox sold low on him. In fact, I find the parallels to Swisher and Granderson very similar, except that (as far as I know), Chicago was not facing a money crunch, Ozzie just didn't care for Swisher. Granderson hit 30 HR, but he did not have a good year: .249/.327/.453, 100 OPS+. And the aforementioned can't hit lefties problem. [9] No, but their payroll in 2009 was $115M. Even if they sign no new players, the payroll will go up by $13M, and that’s before arbitration awards to Verlander and Jackson. And we all know Detroit (the region) is not exactly doing great financially now.

If they have to drop payroll, and they still want to contend, who are they going to trade outside of Granderson? And if they are dropping offense, one way to pick it up to add pitching. A run saved = a run scored.

And Granderson is younger than 30, but he’s not “young”. He’s 29 in 2010. That is, he’s older than Swisher was when the White Sox sold low on him.

In fact, I find the parallels to Swisher and Granderson very similar, except that (as far as I know), Chicago was not facing a money crunch, Ozzie just didn’t care for Swisher. Granderson hit 30 HR, but he did not have a good year: .249/.327/.453, 100 OPS+. And the aforementioned can’t hit lefties problem.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279584 williamnyy23 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:25:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279584 [8] I'd be shocked if the Tigers (or anyone) took IPK as the centerpiece in a major deal. Granderson is still young, so selling him that low would be borderline incompetence on the part of Dombromski. The Tigers are thin in the minors (many of their prospects were traded two years ago), but dumping Granderson doesn't solve that problem. [8] I’d be shocked if the Tigers (or anyone) took IPK as the centerpiece in a major deal. Granderson is still young, so selling him that low would be borderline incompetence on the part of Dombromski. The Tigers are thin in the minors (many of their prospects were traded two years ago), but dumping Granderson doesn’t solve that problem.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279582 Shaun P. Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:20:54 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279582 [1] Cripes, I don't know. I know very little about the Tigers' farm system. Where's rbj, I bet he does. Pitching would be my guess. Would an IPK+____ package do it? We got Swisher for less than that . . . guess it depends on whether Detroit has soured on him, or if its salary-related. I read something about the Tigers needing to decrease their payroll, and possibly needing to track Edwin Jackson away to do it. The problem is they have 3 pitchers getting raises for 2010 (Willis, Robertson, and Bonderman), none of who may contribute anything next year, plus they've got Ordonez's $18M, Guillen due an extra $3M, Miggy due an extra $5M, and I believe Verlander is arb-eligible . . . Outside of Miggy, or obviously Verlander, none of those guys is tradeable. But Granderson - who's big bucks don't kick in until 2011 - sure would be! If it was a salary dump+they've soured on him, I have to think an IPK+lower minors' arm would do it. Dombrowski (the Tigers' GM) does love pitching prospects. [1] Cripes, I don’t know. I know very little about the Tigers’ farm system. Where’s rbj, I bet he does. Pitching would be my guess. Would an IPK+____ package do it? We got Swisher for less than that . . . guess it depends on whether Detroit has soured on him, or if its salary-related.

I read something about the Tigers needing to decrease their payroll, and possibly needing to track Edwin Jackson away to do it. The problem is they have 3 pitchers getting raises for 2010 (Willis, Robertson, and Bonderman), none of who may contribute anything next year, plus they’ve got Ordonez’s $18M, Guillen due an extra $3M, Miggy due an extra $5M, and I believe Verlander is arb-eligible . . . Outside of Miggy, or obviously Verlander, none of those guys is tradeable. But Granderson – who’s big bucks don’t kick in until 2011 – sure would be!

If it was a salary dump+they’ve soured on him, I have to think an IPK+lower minors’ arm would do it. Dombrowski (the Tigers’ GM) does love pitching prospects.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/12/yankee-panky-offseason-you-want-to-talk-offseason/comment-page-1/#comment-279575 williamnyy23 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:54:33 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26164#comment-279575 I love the early Hot Stove (it's not really early...the post season just ended late) talk. In no way do I see it as distracting from the championship. #27 is in the vault forever and can be enjoyed at will. Baseball is a 365 day a year sport whose popularity has never been greater. It makes perfect sense that the Hot Stove would start firing immediately after the post season. I love the early Hot Stove (it’s not really early…the post season just ended late) talk. In no way do I see it as distracting from the championship. #27 is in the vault forever and can be enjoyed at will. Baseball is a 365 day a year sport whose popularity has never been greater. It makes perfect sense that the Hot Stove would start firing immediately after the post season.

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