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		<title>By: Sliced Bread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sliced Bread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[20] &quot;The Good,Bad, &amp; Ugly&quot; vs.  &quot;High Noon&quot;,  pick &#039;em.  The former might win in a quick draw gunfight, but the latter has stayed with me longer.  The Gunfighter I don&#039;t remember as much, but Peck is always excellent.

re:  Wayne.  The Searchers &amp; Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance are probably his best Westerns, so you could argue they&#039;re his best performances.  I just think his character in Quiet Man was his most interesting, and I loved the story, the setting and Maureen O&#039;Hara (I&#039;m a sucker for a pretty redhead)  in that one. I agree with you that Ward Bond was great in that too, and Barry Fitzgerald (another regular sidekick and Duke drinking buddy)  but I maintain Wayne showed bonafide leading man chops here.

Wayne&#039;s Westerns and World War II movies sorta blur together for me.  Seen one, seen &#039;em all.  Quiet Man stands alone.

I&#039;ve made a note to check out Viva Zapata.  Early Brando&#039;s a ham, but I like his brand of ham.

[22] and on a tip from pugzilla sounds like I gotta hunt down Will Penny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[20] &#8220;The Good,Bad, &amp; Ugly&#8221; vs.  &#8220;High Noon&#8221;,  pick &#8216;em.  The former might win in a quick draw gunfight, but the latter has stayed with me longer.  The Gunfighter I don&#8217;t remember as much, but Peck is always excellent.</p>
<p>re:  Wayne.  The Searchers &amp; Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance are probably his best Westerns, so you could argue they&#8217;re his best performances.  I just think his character in Quiet Man was his most interesting, and I loved the story, the setting and Maureen O&#8217;Hara (I&#8217;m a sucker for a pretty redhead)  in that one. I agree with you that Ward Bond was great in that too, and Barry Fitzgerald (another regular sidekick and Duke drinking buddy)  but I maintain Wayne showed bonafide leading man chops here.</p>
<p>Wayne&#8217;s Westerns and World War II movies sorta blur together for me.  Seen one, seen &#8216;em all.  Quiet Man stands alone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made a note to check out Viva Zapata.  Early Brando&#8217;s a ham, but I like his brand of ham.</p>
<p>[22] and on a tip from pugzilla sounds like I gotta hunt down Will Penny.</p>
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		<title>By: pugzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>pugzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although tangential, may I present for your consideration my favorite Western: Will Penny (Charlton Heston was superb as this loner).  Saw it one night in the &#039;60&#039;s with a colleague on the house staff at a NYC Hospital on a rare night off, completely unaware of how good this movie was and we were both blown away.  To be considered IMO on a level with High Noon, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although tangential, may I present for your consideration my favorite Western: Will Penny (Charlton Heston was superb as this loner).  Saw it one night in the &#8217;60&#8217;s with a colleague on the house staff at a NYC Hospital on a rare night off, completely unaware of how good this movie was and we were both blown away.  To be considered IMO on a level with High Noon, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John Wayne, was a hero to most but he never meant &quot;#$% to me...&quot;

Any movie with Alec Guinness in those days is worth seeing! Especially &quot;Kind Hearts &amp; Coronoets&quot; where he plays 7 characters...amazing black comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;John Wayne, was a hero to most but he never meant &#8220;#$% to me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Any movie with Alec Guinness in those days is worth seeing! Especially &#8220;Kind Hearts &amp; Coronoets&#8221; where he plays 7 characters&#8230;amazing black comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sliced, I would argue that John Wayne was better in both &lt;i&gt;The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;The Searchers&lt;/i&gt;; not because I consider him a great or even a very good actor, but because both of those movies highlighted his strengths without being overbearingly typecast (especially with the former; he was paired with an excellent actor in Jimmy Stewart and a great ensemble supporting cast. 

I did see some of those movies; &lt;i&gt;Viva Zapata&lt;/i&gt; was interesting, as Brando was always interesting when he was young, &lt;i&gt;The Bad &amp; The Beautiful&lt;/i&gt; was excellent and Jose Ferrer is riveting in just about anything, so don&#039;t run away from this &lt;i&gt;Moulin Rouge&lt;/i&gt;.  I don&#039;t quite remember &lt;i&gt;The Lavender Hill Gang&lt;/i&gt;, so I reserve comment.  &lt;i&gt;High Noon&lt;/i&gt; is top shelf Gary Cooper and indeed one of the best westerns straight up and down. Still, I prefer Sergio Leone&#039;s spaghetti westerns, so in terms of the top shelf, I include it with them, but don&#039;t think it&#039;s better than &lt;i&gt;The Good, The Bad &amp; The Ugly.&lt;/i&gt;  

&lt;i&gt;The Quiet Man&lt;/i&gt;?  I think he&#039;s done better; I seem to remember Ward Bond more in that movie than John Wayne...

Another good western of the vein of High Noon, if not the same echelon, is &lt;i&gt;The Gunfighter&lt;/i&gt; with Gregory Peck.  I would love to do a modern adaption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sliced, I would argue that John Wayne was better in both <i>The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance</i> and <i>The Searchers</i>; not because I consider him a great or even a very good actor, but because both of those movies highlighted his strengths without being overbearingly typecast (especially with the former; he was paired with an excellent actor in Jimmy Stewart and a great ensemble supporting cast. </p>
<p>I did see some of those movies; <i>Viva Zapata</i> was interesting, as Brando was always interesting when he was young, <i>The Bad &amp; The Beautiful</i> was excellent and Jose Ferrer is riveting in just about anything, so don&#8217;t run away from this <i>Moulin Rouge</i>.  I don&#8217;t quite remember <i>The Lavender Hill Gang</i>, so I reserve comment.  <i>High Noon</i> is top shelf Gary Cooper and indeed one of the best westerns straight up and down. Still, I prefer Sergio Leone&#8217;s spaghetti westerns, so in terms of the top shelf, I include it with them, but don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s better than <i>The Good, The Bad &amp; The Ugly.</i>  </p>
<p><i>The Quiet Man</i>?  I think he&#8217;s done better; I seem to remember Ward Bond more in that movie than John Wayne&#8230;</p>
<p>Another good western of the vein of High Noon, if not the same echelon, is <i>The Gunfighter</i> with Gregory Peck.  I would love to do a modern adaption.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[17] Great equals within the top 2% in history for the position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[17] Great equals within the top 2% in history for the position.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought all the fielding metrics suggested Teixeira&#039;s D was another of those &#039;mostly rep&#039; things. Am I wrong? I think he scooped a lot of balls, has a nice glove on bouncers, even can be said to play a role in DJ&#039;s improved stats (fewer throwing errors) but why, WHY is anyone citing a Golden Glove in this sage and sapient website?

I mean, Toriiii Huunter? Golden Glove. Oy.

For what it is worth, I didn&#039;t think Tex was being dissed in the piece, I thought Goldman was (rightly) suggesting Jeter&#039;s season, in overall context was a more valuable one. I&#039;d have put Tex 4th, myself, behind Cabrera until the last weekend. Think Cabrera got hurt by the drinking disaster? I do. And I think he deserved to be. This is &#039;most valuable&#039; not &#039;best&#039;... you don&#039;t show up on the last weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought all the fielding metrics suggested Teixeira&#8217;s D was another of those &#8216;mostly rep&#8217; things. Am I wrong? I think he scooped a lot of balls, has a nice glove on bouncers, even can be said to play a role in DJ&#8217;s improved stats (fewer throwing errors) but why, WHY is anyone citing a Golden Glove in this sage and sapient website?</p>
<p>I mean, Toriiii Huunter? Golden Glove. Oy.</p>
<p>For what it is worth, I didn&#8217;t think Tex was being dissed in the piece, I thought Goldman was (rightly) suggesting Jeter&#8217;s season, in overall context was a more valuable one. I&#8217;d have put Tex 4th, myself, behind Cabrera until the last weekend. Think Cabrera got hurt by the drinking disaster? I do. And I think he deserved to be. This is &#8216;most valuable&#8217; not &#8216;best&#8217;&#8230; you don&#8217;t show up on the last weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all about the definition.

If &quot;great&quot; is defined as one of the 15 best 1B seasons of all time, (then one cannot call Tex&#039;s season &quot;great&quot;, because there are at least 15 other, better seasons at first base (such as Pujols, 2009, among others).  Thus, viewed in such a way - or that is to say, comparing what Tex 2009 did against all 1B across all time - Tex&#039;s 2009 season was not great, and Goldman is absolutely correct.

FWIW, I think this is exactly what he was saying, and it makes sense to me.

Now, if one defines &quot;great&quot; as william does in [15], that is, an OPS+ (ugh) of 150 or better while playing gold glove defense at 1B, then being strict Tex is still not great, because his OPS+ was 149. ;)  But in any case, by william&#039;s definition, &quot;great&quot; is much broader than how Steven defined and used it, and he clearly means it to include Tex.

Thus whether or not Tex had a &quot;great&quot; season depends (duh) on how you define 
&quot;great&quot;.

Nothing more to see here, move along . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all about the definition.</p>
<p>If &#8220;great&#8221; is defined as one of the 15 best 1B seasons of all time, (then one cannot call Tex&#8217;s season &#8220;great&#8221;, because there are at least 15 other, better seasons at first base (such as Pujols, 2009, among others).  Thus, viewed in such a way &#8211; or that is to say, comparing what Tex 2009 did against all 1B across all time &#8211; Tex&#8217;s 2009 season was not great, and Goldman is absolutely correct.</p>
<p>FWIW, I think this is exactly what he was saying, and it makes sense to me.</p>
<p>Now, if one defines &#8220;great&#8221; as william does in [15], that is, an OPS+ (ugh) of 150 or better while playing gold glove defense at 1B, then being strict Tex is still not great, because his OPS+ was 149. ;)  But in any case, by william&#8217;s definition, &#8220;great&#8221; is much broader than how Steven defined and used it, and he clearly means it to include Tex.</p>
<p>Thus whether or not Tex had a &#8220;great&#8221; season depends (duh) on how you define<br />
&#8220;great&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nothing more to see here, move along . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lavender Hill Mob was one of the Eiling Studio comedies and is good. Viva Zapata, directed by Elia Kazan, was one of my old man&#039;s five favorite movies of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lavender Hill Mob was one of the Eiling Studio comedies and is good. Viva Zapata, directed by Elia Kazan, was one of my old man&#8217;s five favorite movies of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[13] Teixeira lead ALL 1B in the (better) AL in OPS+ and was fourth overall. Compared to other 1B, I think he did have a great season. But, even if every 1B in the league had an OPS+ of 150, I don&#039;t see why that means they all weren&#039;t great. While it makes sense to compare to 1B to each other to determine who is better, that doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t all be great. Production in the OPS+ 150 level along with gold glove defense  is *great* regardless of how many others perform as well at the same position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[13] Teixeira lead ALL 1B in the (better) AL in OPS+ and was fourth overall. Compared to other 1B, I think he did have a great season. But, even if every 1B in the league had an OPS+ of 150, I don&#8217;t see why that means they all weren&#8217;t great. While it makes sense to compare to 1B to each other to determine who is better, that doesn&#8217;t mean they can&#8217;t all be great. Production in the OPS+ 150 level along with gold glove defense  is *great* regardless of how many others perform as well at the same position.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[12] While I think the BBWAA are far from the most enlightened electorate, I think most of those examples can be explained (not necessarily justified, but explained):

1) Cabrera had a 142 OPS+ on a team with an OPS+ of 93. When considered relative to his team, Cabrera does close the gap on Mauer.

2) Was Arod responsible for Tex&#039; revival and the Yankees surge? If so (reasonable), he is a worthy MVP candidate. If not, missing 5+ weeks is a serious demerit (also reasonable).

3) Mariano Rivera is a closer who pitches high leverage and imparts a psychological advantage to the Yankees (i.e., the game is reduced to 7+ innings). If one believes that statement, he is worthy of MVP votes. If not, they he isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[12] While I think the BBWAA are far from the most enlightened electorate, I think most of those examples can be explained (not necessarily justified, but explained):</p>
<p>1) Cabrera had a 142 OPS+ on a team with an OPS+ of 93. When considered relative to his team, Cabrera does close the gap on Mauer.</p>
<p>2) Was Arod responsible for Tex&#8217; revival and the Yankees surge? If so (reasonable), he is a worthy MVP candidate. If not, missing 5+ weeks is a serious demerit (also reasonable).</p>
<p>3) Mariano Rivera is a closer who pitches high leverage and imparts a psychological advantage to the Yankees (i.e., the game is reduced to 7+ innings). If one believes that statement, he is worthy of MVP votes. If not, they he isn&#8217;t.</p>
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