Comments on: The Rub http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sat, 25 May 2013 05:23:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248090 williamnyy23 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:35:21 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248090 [11] Not very often. In fact, the 2009 Yankees are the only team in history to have four age-35+ batters produce an OPS+ of 115 or greater (in at least 400 PAs). In fact, only one other team (1998 Padres) had three (Ken Caminiti / Tony Gwynn / Wally Joyner). The pitching side isn't as historic because Rivera was really the only 35+ pitcher who had a very productive season (Andy's ERA was a very pedestrian 103). 178 different teams had at least two age-35+ pitchers post an ERA+ of 103 or better. [11] Not very often. In fact, the 2009 Yankees are the only team in history to have four age-35+ batters produce an OPS+ of 115 or greater (in at least 400 PAs). In fact, only one other team (1998 Padres) had three (Ken Caminiti / Tony Gwynn / Wally Joyner).

The pitching side isn’t as historic because Rivera was really the only 35+ pitcher who had a very productive season (Andy’s ERA was a very pedestrian 103). 178 different teams had at least two age-35+ pitchers post an ERA+ of 103 or better.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248089 Diane Firstman Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:37:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248089 [11] this group popped to mind first .... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1120630/index.htm [11]

this group popped to mind first ….
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1120630/index.htm

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248088 Alex Belth Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:09:54 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248088 How many times in baseball history has a team had so many productive seasons out of guys who are over 35? How many times in baseball history has a team had so many productive seasons out of guys who are over 35?

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248087 Raf Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248087 <b>We need to set the stage for a run (like when Jeter, Posada, Mariano and Andy came up together). Whether it’s all from inside, or with judicious trade/signing of under 25 talent, we need to get younger fast.</b> Average age of the 1996 team: 29.6 Average age of the 1998 team: 30.3 Average age of the 2008 team: 30.8 Average age of the 2009 team: 29.7 We need to set the stage for a run (like when Jeter, Posada, Mariano and Andy came up together). Whether it’s all from inside, or with judicious trade/signing of under 25 talent, we need to get younger fast.

Average age of the 1996 team: 29.6
Average age of the 1998 team: 30.3
Average age of the 2008 team: 30.8
Average age of the 2009 team: 29.7

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248086 williamnyy23 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:33:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248086 I don't think I would classify good seasons from Rivera, Posada, Pettitte, Jeter, Damon and Matsui as lightining in a bottle. Those are all excellent players who, when healthy, regularly post good to great seasons. [8] Agree with alot of what you stated. Youth is great in theory, but when push comes to shove, I'll take talent. Now, if you can obtain young, but proven talent (e.g., Evan Longoria). I don’t think I would classify good seasons from Rivera, Posada, Pettitte, Jeter, Damon and Matsui as lightining in a bottle. Those are all excellent players who, when healthy, regularly post good to great seasons.

[8] Agree with alot of what you stated. Youth is great in theory, but when push comes to shove, I’ll take talent. Now, if you can obtain young, but proven talent (e.g., Evan Longoria).

]]> By: Horace Clarke Era http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248085 Horace Clarke Era Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:58:12 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248085 The whole Old Timers Gang thing is interesting. In March last year it was widly thought we were hopelessly geriatric. I remember some people hating the Tex signing because he'd be old near the end. You can say 'lightning in a bottle' yes, or you can step back just a bit from the wild 'go young, my man' chorus that started after Tampa Bay won the AL two years ago. I'd say, all things being equal, that younger teams are likely to be healthier and almost certain to be cheaper. But all things aren't invariably equal. I'd bet a bit on Lincecum being likelier to have a major arm issue in next 2-3 years than Roy Halladay. It doesn't actually help the team the next 2 years to chase youth, since our core WILL be old. Fact of life. And we won the WS with those old-timers, as everyone here knows. Nor, honestly, is NY these days the place to patiently bring along 22 year olds. Joba and Hughes are the only ones I think likely to get that patience - and maybe they won't. This is the town that can let Montero go and take him back for his inflated salary in 6 years, at 26, if he's as good as rumour says he will be, eventually. A reason other teams and fans get frustrated or bitter, but it is a reality given the Yankee revenue stream. Were we that healthy last year? Has anyone got the injury games for the AL linked? Wang, Arod, Kennedy, Marte, Nady ... I'd like youth, too. It is just fun to cheer for young players. But I'm a bit contrarian about how urgent it is as a priority. The whole Old Timers Gang thing is interesting. In March last year it was widly thought we were hopelessly geriatric. I remember some people hating the Tex signing because he’d be old near the end.

You can say ‘lightning in a bottle’ yes, or you can step back just a bit from the wild ‘go young, my man’ chorus that started after Tampa Bay won the AL two years ago. I’d say, all things being equal, that younger teams are likely to be healthier and almost certain to be cheaper. But all things aren’t invariably equal. I’d bet a bit on Lincecum being likelier to have a major arm issue in next 2-3 years than Roy Halladay.

It doesn’t actually help the team the next 2 years to chase youth, since our core WILL be old. Fact of life. And we won the WS with those old-timers, as everyone here knows. Nor, honestly, is NY these days the place to patiently bring along 22 year olds. Joba and Hughes are the only ones I think likely to get that patience – and maybe they won’t. This is the town that can let Montero go and take him back for his inflated salary in 6 years, at 26, if he’s as good as rumour says he will be, eventually.

A reason other teams and fans get frustrated or bitter, but it is a reality given the Yankee revenue stream. Were we that healthy last year? Has anyone got the injury games for the AL linked? Wang, Arod, Kennedy, Marte, Nady …

I’d like youth, too. It is just fun to cheer for young players. But I’m a bit contrarian about how urgent it is as a priority.

]]> By: gary from chevy chase http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248084 gary from chevy chase Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:10:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248084 Great pic...... As to the Yanks needing to get younger, it's absolutely necessary. Steve Goldman pointed out last April that for the Yanks to win, they'd need unprecedented efforts from the post-35 crowd. They got them. But it was unprecedented. We need to set the stage for a run (like when Jeter, Posada, Mariano and Andy came up together). Whether it's all from inside, or with judicious trade/signing of under 25 talent, we need to get younger fast. It's one reason why we should NOT trade prospects for available starting pitching talent, regardless of how good they might be for 2 or 3 years.. Great pic……
As to the Yanks needing to get younger, it’s absolutely necessary. Steve Goldman pointed out last April that for the Yanks to win, they’d need unprecedented efforts from the post-35 crowd. They got them. But it was unprecedented.

We need to set the stage for a run (like when Jeter, Posada, Mariano and Andy came up together). Whether it’s all from inside, or with judicious trade/signing of under 25 talent, we need to get younger fast.

It’s one reason why we should NOT trade prospects for available starting pitching talent, regardless of how good they might be for 2 or 3 years..

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248083 Diane Firstman Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:01:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248083 I imagine Alex making that same face while watching Cano botch a simple grounder. :-) I imagine Alex making that same face while watching Cano botch a simple grounder. :-)

]]> By: tocho http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248082 tocho Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:51:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248082 great pic. norman rockwell could not have painted it better. your uncle's expression is classic rockwell. great pic. norman rockwell could not have painted it better. your uncle’s expression is classic rockwell.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248081 Sliced Bread Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:44:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248081 [3] Sorry I jumped the gun on your link, Alex. First thing I thought of when I read your opening line. Yeah, great tune -- and great pic of yer Uncle Albert. [3] Sorry I jumped the gun on your link, Alex. First thing I thought of when I read your opening line. Yeah, great tune — and great pic of yer Uncle Albert.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248080 Alex Belth Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:26:35 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248080 Dude, I was going to link to that...GOOD CALL! Love that record, "Ram." Dude, I was going to link to that…GOOD CALL! Love that record, “Ram.”

]]> By: Ben http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248079 Ben Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:00:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248079 Can't tell for sure, but I'd put money on the last boy on the left being Raymond 'the anchor' Bertrand... Can’t tell for sure, but I’d put money on the last boy on the left being Raymond ‘the anchor’ Bertrand…

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/11/24/the-rub-2/#comment-248078 Sliced Bread Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:45:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=26405#comment-248078 We're so sorry, Uncle Albert but the kettle's on the boil and we're so easily called away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsWufNDJl4M We’re so sorry, Uncle Albert but the kettle’s on the boil and we’re so easily called away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsWufNDJl4M

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