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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, same-ol&#039;, same-ol&#039;... yunnow, winning and such &gt;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, same-ol&#8217;, same-ol&#8217;&#8230; yunnow, winning and such &gt;;)</p>
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		<title>By: wsporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentleman! Glad to be back. So . . .  anything happen over the last year or so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentleman! Glad to be back. So . . .  anything happen over the last year or so?</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] Dude! Whassup! Been hoping you were okay; glad to see you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] Dude! Whassup! Been hoping you were okay; glad to see you.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] Hey!  Long time no see, my fellow Dutchman!  Glad to know you&#039;re still around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] Hey!  Long time no see, my fellow Dutchman!  Glad to know you&#8217;re still around!</p>
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		<title>By: wsporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Thanksgiving all you Banterers!</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[27] Cool. And honestly I was never a huge fan of Damon&#039;s (probably a holdover from 2004) but I&#039;ve come around. He&#039;s stays healthy and mostly productive. If there was a better alternative I could be convinced. I&#039;m just not sure there is.

On Granderson, besides southpaws, it seems he gets hurt by his home park. I&#039;m not going to deny there might be more there, but I just don&#039;t think the Tigers are going to give him away. His contract is actually reasonable even if he never finds his peak self again. Maybe if the Tigers would take a few second tier prospects - guys like Nova and McAllister plus a lower level prospect or two. Still that seems like too much. Why thin the farm for a platoon player? And I&#039;m not convinced the Tigers take that deal. Maybe that package and take on Magglio too? It&#039;s similar money that they would give to Matsui and Damon. Still, I don&#039;t see Illitch giving up on next year so easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[27] Cool. And honestly I was never a huge fan of Damon&#8217;s (probably a holdover from 2004) but I&#8217;ve come around. He&#8217;s stays healthy and mostly productive. If there was a better alternative I could be convinced. I&#8217;m just not sure there is.</p>
<p>On Granderson, besides southpaws, it seems he gets hurt by his home park. I&#8217;m not going to deny there might be more there, but I just don&#8217;t think the Tigers are going to give him away. His contract is actually reasonable even if he never finds his peak self again. Maybe if the Tigers would take a few second tier prospects &#8211; guys like Nova and McAllister plus a lower level prospect or two. Still that seems like too much. Why thin the farm for a platoon player? And I&#8217;m not convinced the Tigers take that deal. Maybe that package and take on Magglio too? It&#8217;s similar money that they would give to Matsui and Damon. Still, I don&#8217;t see Illitch giving up on next year so easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this &quot;Thanksgiving&quot; you all refer to? Does not compute..regular work day here at Acme Investigations, Mr. Spacely just informed me that one of our clients will bring a new, lucrative order in next month..I suppose I should be thankful for that? Oh, and of course that pitchers &amp; catchers is getting closer every day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this &#8220;Thanksgiving&#8221; you all refer to? Does not compute..regular work day here at Acme Investigations, Mr. Spacely just informed me that one of our clients will bring a new, lucrative order in next month..I suppose I should be thankful for that? Oh, and of course that pitchers &amp; catchers is getting closer every day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually a JD backer, Paul. I started the Damon&#039;s Da Mon &#039;chant&#039; here two years ago when people were down on him. So I have little problem with either of your scenarios, actually.

But I think the Granderson thing turns entirely on what &#039;top prospects&#039; means. Detroit, as you probably know, are dying to unload salary - having backed their way into 18 million for Maggs. I suspect that a team willing to take on money doesn&#039;t have to give up so very much. No one will take Ordonez, just as no one will take Wells (worst contract in baseball) so Tigers need money help elsewhere. Grandy vs righties in Yankee Stadium (New) is appealing. NY needs some sense of what&#039;s going on with him. WHY is he trending down young?

But, as I say, I don&#039;t think Cashman will deal serious talent for him, so the question is ... what about less-than-serious talent? In any assessment, there&#039;s a &#039;that&#039;s worth it&#039; point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually a JD backer, Paul. I started the Damon&#8217;s Da Mon &#8216;chant&#8217; here two years ago when people were down on him. So I have little problem with either of your scenarios, actually.</p>
<p>But I think the Granderson thing turns entirely on what &#8216;top prospects&#8217; means. Detroit, as you probably know, are dying to unload salary &#8211; having backed their way into 18 million for Maggs. I suspect that a team willing to take on money doesn&#8217;t have to give up so very much. No one will take Ordonez, just as no one will take Wells (worst contract in baseball) so Tigers need money help elsewhere. Grandy vs righties in Yankee Stadium (New) is appealing. NY needs some sense of what&#8217;s going on with him. WHY is he trending down young?</p>
<p>But, as I say, I don&#8217;t think Cashman will deal serious talent for him, so the question is &#8230; what about less-than-serious talent? In any assessment, there&#8217;s a &#8216;that&#8217;s worth it&#8217; point.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.s. Goldman says he&#039;d offer Damon arbitration:

&quot;Offering Damon arbitration seems like a good gamble to me on two levels. If he accepts you pay a high price in cash but you&#039;re only committed to him for the season, so if he tanks you can even eat the money and let him go before the year is over. If he leaves, you get a first-round pick from whatever club signs him. Seems like a no-brainer to me.&quot;

So the one &quot;expert&quot; cited in this discussion has no problem with Damon coming back, even on a pricey deal. But for the 14 million for one year, I don&#039;t see why not to extend it to two years and $20 million. Heck offer him arbitration OR a two year $20 million deal. He gets a choice of two really good options, especially if he thinks he&#039;d got a lot left. If he refuses both, the Yanks get the picks and can move on to Cameron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.s. Goldman says he&#8217;d offer Damon arbitration:</p>
<p>&#8220;Offering Damon arbitration seems like a good gamble to me on two levels. If he accepts you pay a high price in cash but you&#8217;re only committed to him for the season, so if he tanks you can even eat the money and let him go before the year is over. If he leaves, you get a first-round pick from whatever club signs him. Seems like a no-brainer to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the one &#8220;expert&#8221; cited in this discussion has no problem with Damon coming back, even on a pricey deal. But for the 14 million for one year, I don&#8217;t see why not to extend it to two years and $20 million. Heck offer him arbitration OR a two year $20 million deal. He gets a choice of two really good options, especially if he thinks he&#8217;d got a lot left. If he refuses both, the Yanks get the picks and can move on to Cameron.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for trying to mediate. Honesty I don&#039;t care about the name calling. It&#039;s juvenile but it doesn&#039;t bother me nearly as much people making stuff up and passing it off as fact. Then when they dig in their heels when they&#039;ve proven to be woefully wrong it just makes it that much worse.
 
&quot;Paul, really, why is Melky/Gardy in CF and Grandy in left so much less ‘inspiring’ than Damon in left?&quot;

Sorry, but platooning someone you&#039;ve acquired for top prospects is exactly my point. And having an average bat in CF and a below average bat in LF, relative to the average at the positions, is not just uninspiring. It&#039;s unacceptable on a championship club. Granderson and his .340 career OBP certainly doesn&#039;t belong in the top two thirds of the lineup.

So now that we&#039;ve agreed that Granderson is unacceptable, the question remains: Who if not Damon? Like I said, I&#039;d be fine with Ajax, Gardner, and Melky fighting for time depending on matchups. But that&#039;s not how the Yankees roll.

Posada, of course, was a red herring in this whole discussion. Sensible people realize he&#039;s not a DH in 2010. And he&#039;s not a full-time DH in 2011 either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for trying to mediate. Honesty I don&#8217;t care about the name calling. It&#8217;s juvenile but it doesn&#8217;t bother me nearly as much people making stuff up and passing it off as fact. Then when they dig in their heels when they&#8217;ve proven to be woefully wrong it just makes it that much worse.</p>
<p>&#8220;Paul, really, why is Melky/Gardy in CF and Grandy in left so much less ‘inspiring’ than Damon in left?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but platooning someone you&#8217;ve acquired for top prospects is exactly my point. And having an average bat in CF and a below average bat in LF, relative to the average at the positions, is not just uninspiring. It&#8217;s unacceptable on a championship club. Granderson and his .340 career OBP certainly doesn&#8217;t belong in the top two thirds of the lineup.</p>
<p>So now that we&#8217;ve agreed that Granderson is unacceptable, the question remains: Who if not Damon? Like I said, I&#8217;d be fine with Ajax, Gardner, and Melky fighting for time depending on matchups. But that&#8217;s not how the Yankees roll.</p>
<p>Posada, of course, was a red herring in this whole discussion. Sensible people realize he&#8217;s not a DH in 2010. And he&#8217;s not a full-time DH in 2011 either.</p>
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