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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248507</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda reminds me of Bernardo O&#039; Reilly&#039;s quote in &quot;The Magnificent Seven&quot;

&quot;Don&#039;t you ever say that again about your fathers, because they are not cowards. You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there&#039;s nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery. That&#039;s why I never even started anything like that... that&#039;s why I never will.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda reminds me of Bernardo O&#8217; Reilly&#8217;s quote in &#8220;The Magnificent Seven&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t you ever say that again about your fathers, because they are not cowards. You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there&#8217;s nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery. That&#8217;s why I never even started anything like that&#8230; that&#8217;s why I never will.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[17] Indeed, thank you, Chyll.  Beautiful.  Beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[17] Indeed, thank you, Chyll.  Beautiful.  Beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248505</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[17]

I have a new level of respect for you .... thank you for sharing that.</description>
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<p>I have a new level of respect for you &#8230;. thank you for sharing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248504</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yunnow, my initial reaction to reading all of the comments was to not even bother; but then I read Diane&#039;s link and I started to write a post on my blog.  But halfway through, I realized how complicated my own past is, so I return here to just share some thoughts.  

I am not a father, and chances are I will never have children of my own.  I was brought up in a home that was minus a father in the literal sense, so I had to find a replacement in my mother, my brother and various other men in my family and where I grew up.  It&#039;s not ideal, but depending on what kind of person you want to be when you grow up, it can either prepare you to be a great father or destroy you as a person.  I&#039;m still on the fence...

When I read articles like the one Diane linked to, I see many reasons for me to not even be in a relationship, never mind being married and/or have kids.  I&#039;ve grown cynical about the options, so I choose not to engage in any of them as the safest path.  Maybe I&#039;ve deprived myself of a certain level of humanity, but I am not contributing to the depravity of another.  And believe me, it&#039;s very hard on me to be this way.  I see examples of men who have overcome great odds to be good men and great fathers, and I&#039;ve seen people who have it all and throw it away because of their complacence. And it hurts inside when people ask me if I have kids, then react with shock and wonder why I don&#039;t.  It&#039;s because I don&#039;t believe in anything where I am not in a position to try and do my best.  And if I were lucky enough to have kids and they grow up to have issues of their own, I want to know that I did everything I could to be a real father, not just someone who has kids.    But I&#039;m not in any place where I would want to bring souls into the world armed with a way to make things better. 

With that in mind, I can&#039;t say a thing about Tiger or any of the litany of athletes who have publicly failed their family.  Who am I to judge? What on earth could I possibly say to these men?  I&#039;m not a father, nor did I have one that I could draw experiences from.  I don&#039;t expect perfection of anyone, but I do expect that the people I deal with on a regular basis can be respectful to me as I to them, and if they can&#039;t?  Let us not be bothered by each other and live our own lives without each others&#039; interference.  I don&#039;t expect anyone to agree with my point, but I do hope you understand the things which brought me and others to this conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yunnow, my initial reaction to reading all of the comments was to not even bother; but then I read Diane&#8217;s link and I started to write a post on my blog.  But halfway through, I realized how complicated my own past is, so I return here to just share some thoughts.  </p>
<p>I am not a father, and chances are I will never have children of my own.  I was brought up in a home that was minus a father in the literal sense, so I had to find a replacement in my mother, my brother and various other men in my family and where I grew up.  It&#8217;s not ideal, but depending on what kind of person you want to be when you grow up, it can either prepare you to be a great father or destroy you as a person.  I&#8217;m still on the fence&#8230;</p>
<p>When I read articles like the one Diane linked to, I see many reasons for me to not even be in a relationship, never mind being married and/or have kids.  I&#8217;ve grown cynical about the options, so I choose not to engage in any of them as the safest path.  Maybe I&#8217;ve deprived myself of a certain level of humanity, but I am not contributing to the depravity of another.  And believe me, it&#8217;s very hard on me to be this way.  I see examples of men who have overcome great odds to be good men and great fathers, and I&#8217;ve seen people who have it all and throw it away because of their complacence. And it hurts inside when people ask me if I have kids, then react with shock and wonder why I don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t believe in anything where I am not in a position to try and do my best.  And if I were lucky enough to have kids and they grow up to have issues of their own, I want to know that I did everything I could to be a real father, not just someone who has kids.    But I&#8217;m not in any place where I would want to bring souls into the world armed with a way to make things better. </p>
<p>With that in mind, I can&#8217;t say a thing about Tiger or any of the litany of athletes who have publicly failed their family.  Who am I to judge? What on earth could I possibly say to these men?  I&#8217;m not a father, nor did I have one that I could draw experiences from.  I don&#8217;t expect perfection of anyone, but I do expect that the people I deal with on a regular basis can be respectful to me as I to them, and if they can&#8217;t?  Let us not be bothered by each other and live our own lives without each others&#8217; interference.  I don&#8217;t expect anyone to agree with my point, but I do hope you understand the things which brought me and others to this conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248503</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[15]
Here&#039;s the link to the article ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012762/index.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[15]<br />
Here&#8217;s the link to the article &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012762/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012762/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[10] That article is ASTOUNDING!
And Larry Bird?
I&#039;ll bet they&#039;re ugly little bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[10] That article is ASTOUNDING!<br />
And Larry Bird?<br />
I&#8217;ll bet they&#8217;re ugly little bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248501</link>
		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[11] If the French are laughing, the joke probably isn&#039;t funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[11] If the French are laughing, the joke probably isn&#8217;t funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking news ---

Uber-athlete has trouble conducting relationship with ordinary human! details at eleven</description>
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<p>Uber-athlete has trouble conducting relationship with ordinary human! details at eleven</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248499</link>
		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8] She&#039;s not a swedish supermodel.  She was Jesper Parnevik&#039;s nanny, who also modeled.  Big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[8] She&#8217;s not a swedish supermodel.  She was Jesper Parnevik&#8217;s nanny, who also modeled.  Big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimelo</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248498</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[0] What a great read.  Loved it.  Love reading stuff like that about Jetes.

[9] I don&#039;t know why people are so outraged, the guy has been greatest golfer in the history of the sport, everywhere he goes there&#039;s some voluptuous woman throwing herself at him.  His wife is beautiful, but there&#039;s no way any person can deal with all that attention and not crack.  It&#039;s hard not to.  There are some that can resist that kind of temptation, but those people are few and far between.  

I&#039;ll definitely never get that kind of attention in my lifetime, being Tiger Woods is not as simple as being a great golfer.  It also means having to manage the attention, and with that attention comes a lot of decisions that may hurt others closest to you - whether intentionally or not, it&#039;s not something I&#039;ll ever pretend to understand.

He made his (burning) bed and he&#039;s definitely laying on it now,

The French probably laugh at all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[0] What a great read.  Loved it.  Love reading stuff like that about Jetes.</p>
<p>[9] I don&#8217;t know why people are so outraged, the guy has been greatest golfer in the history of the sport, everywhere he goes there&#8217;s some voluptuous woman throwing herself at him.  His wife is beautiful, but there&#8217;s no way any person can deal with all that attention and not crack.  It&#8217;s hard not to.  There are some that can resist that kind of temptation, but those people are few and far between.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll definitely never get that kind of attention in my lifetime, being Tiger Woods is not as simple as being a great golfer.  It also means having to manage the attention, and with that attention comes a lot of decisions that may hurt others closest to you &#8211; whether intentionally or not, it&#8217;s not something I&#8217;ll ever pretend to understand.</p>
<p>He made his (burning) bed and he&#8217;s definitely laying on it now,</p>
<p>The French probably laugh at all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248497</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8]
re: Bird
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1998/weekly/980504/insidelook.html</description>
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re: Bird<br />
<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1998/weekly/980504/insidelook.html" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1998/weekly/980504/insidelook.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248496</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[8]

Well, what do Tiger and Elin really have in common?  I highly doubt their respective worlds were THAT compatible when they met.

And then again, stories are bouncing around that Tiger was a bed-jumper from an early age ... some habits are hard to break.</description>
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<p>Well, what do Tiger and Elin really have in common?  I highly doubt their respective worlds were THAT compatible when they met.</p>
<p>And then again, stories are bouncing around that Tiger was a bed-jumper from an early age &#8230; some habits are hard to break.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/04/i-call-you-son-cause-you-shine-like-one/#comment-248495</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6] Kemp and Garvey I knew about, but Bird!?  That&#039;s horrible - and as far as we know, Jeter hasn&#039;t done that.

As for Tiger&#039;s infidelities, this is as strange as when Mutt Lange cheated on Shania Twain with their ugly housekeeper or whoever it was.  Elin is a gorgeous &lt;b&gt;Swedish supermodel&lt;/b&gt; - is he insane?  Was that not good enough for him?  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[6] Kemp and Garvey I knew about, but Bird!?  That&#8217;s horrible &#8211; and as far as we know, Jeter hasn&#8217;t done that.</p>
<p>As for Tiger&#8217;s infidelities, this is as strange as when Mutt Lange cheated on Shania Twain with their ugly housekeeper or whoever it was.  Elin is a gorgeous <b>Swedish supermodel</b> &#8211; is he insane?  Was that not good enough for him?  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget Grandma ma Larry Johnson.</description>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4]

How about athletes who spread their genetic material to multiple partners, and/or abandon the resulting kids?

(I&#039;m looking at you, Larry Bird, Shawn Kemp, Steve Garvey)</description>
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<p>How about athletes who spread their genetic material to multiple partners, and/or abandon the resulting kids?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m looking at you, Larry Bird, Shawn Kemp, Steve Garvey)</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh .... my ... G-d .... (ROFLMAO)
http://tinyurl.com/ykptu3m

(warning ... it involves Tiger&#039;s alleged mistress and Derek, and an actor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8230;. my &#8230; G-d &#8230;. (ROFLMAO)<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/ykptu3m" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ykptu3m</a></p>
<p>(warning &#8230; it involves Tiger&#8217;s alleged mistress and Derek, and an actor)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Brett never married while he was a player either. Know who else didn&#039;t? Joe Willie....</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[2] I think Jeter not getting married has been absolutely brilliant on his part.  As a friend reminded me, George Clooney is also brilliant in this way.

I think the Jeter we see, that he allows us to see, is who he is when the cameras and writers and spotlights aren&#039;t there.  Thus, there&#039;s no constructed image that will fall to pieces, a la Tiger (or even A-Rod), because there&#039;s nothing hidden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] I think Jeter not getting married has been absolutely brilliant on his part.  As a friend reminded me, George Clooney is also brilliant in this way.</p>
<p>I think the Jeter we see, that he allows us to see, is who he is when the cameras and writers and spotlights aren&#8217;t there.  Thus, there&#8217;s no constructed image that will fall to pieces, a la Tiger (or even A-Rod), because there&#8217;s nothing hidden.</p>
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		<title>By: ms october</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms october</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i was reading the article i was thinking, &quot;please let all of this be so,&quot; a fall from grace is hard as hell.  
perhaps one of the smartest things jeter has done is not get married.
jeter seems to have a really great rep around the league too - which i think speaks very well for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i was reading the article i was thinking, &#8220;please let all of this be so,&#8221; a fall from grace is hard as hell.<br />
perhaps one of the smartest things jeter has done is not get married.<br />
jeter seems to have a really great rep around the league too &#8211; which i think speaks very well for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Toxic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toxic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With everything happening in threes, after Thierry Henry and Tiger Woods, here&#039;s hoping Roger Federer takes one for the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With everything happening in threes, after Thierry Henry and Tiger Woods, here&#8217;s hoping Roger Federer takes one for the team.</p>
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