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		<title>By: 51cq24</title>
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		<dc:creator>51cq24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[40] i&#039;m not really sure what your first paragraph is referring to regarding musical chairs.  i agree with it, but i think granderson vs damon would be a better tradeoff than granderson vs matsui, particularly since the yankees would probably start damon in the outfield more than he deserves.  
i mostly agree with your second paragraph, especially the end, but i think that if the yankees really want damon back, it would ideally be for only 1 year, and i think he&#039;ll get at least 2 and probably 3 as a free agent.  and since i don&#039;t think that overpaying for one year is a huge deal (if we have him at all), i think it would have been worth it to offer him arbitration and possibly get 2 draft picks.  i also don&#039;t think we&#039;ve seen enough of this offseason to know where the market truly is.
again, your 3rd paragraph is a good point, and i would like to know more about his health.  but they would be treating him gently again this season, probably more so to rest position players at dh, so i think he could handle it, especially if he&#039;s in better shape, which is supposedly possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[40] i&#8217;m not really sure what your first paragraph is referring to regarding musical chairs.  i agree with it, but i think granderson vs damon would be a better tradeoff than granderson vs matsui, particularly since the yankees would probably start damon in the outfield more than he deserves.<br />
i mostly agree with your second paragraph, especially the end, but i think that if the yankees really want damon back, it would ideally be for only 1 year, and i think he&#8217;ll get at least 2 and probably 3 as a free agent.  and since i don&#8217;t think that overpaying for one year is a huge deal (if we have him at all), i think it would have been worth it to offer him arbitration and possibly get 2 draft picks.  i also don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve seen enough of this offseason to know where the market truly is.<br />
again, your 3rd paragraph is a good point, and i would like to know more about his health.  but they would be treating him gently again this season, probably more so to rest position players at dh, so i think he could handle it, especially if he&#8217;s in better shape, which is supposedly possible.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[46] That&#039;s the answer...excellent.

Flipping through, it was interesting to note that the 2010 luxury tax threshold will be $170mn, up from $148mn in 2007. At a 40% tax rate, that saves the Yankees a good amount of change. If their payroll is $200mn, their tax bill will be done to $12mn.

Also, luxury tax bills are announced on December 12, so the Yankees have that to look forward to tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[46] That&#8217;s the answer&#8230;excellent.</p>
<p>Flipping through, it was interesting to note that the 2010 luxury tax threshold will be $170mn, up from $148mn in 2007. At a 40% tax rate, that saves the Yankees a good amount of change. If their payroll is $200mn, their tax bill will be done to $12mn.</p>
<p>Also, luxury tax bills are announced on December 12, so the Yankees have that to look forward to tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[41] So..... if we sign player X for 1 year and pay him $5m salary with a $5m bonus, you think our &#039;official payroll&#039; only goes up by $5m? And what about the 40% tax? If so, this would be a way to lessen our &#039;offical payroll&#039; in the eyes of other teams?

If we sign Holliday, pay him $1m year1, with a $14m bonus...
Did Cashman GET Holliday and keep the payroll under $190m?

What if we give someone $6.5m/yr in bonus for 2 years... and it balances out when Po in off the books in 2012?

There must be some &#039;funny&#039; rules about bonuses, because they are handed out all kinds of different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[41] So&#8230;.. if we sign player X for 1 year and pay him $5m salary with a $5m bonus, you think our &#8216;official payroll&#8217; only goes up by $5m? And what about the 40% tax? If so, this would be a way to lessen our &#8216;offical payroll&#8217; in the eyes of other teams?</p>
<p>If we sign Holliday, pay him $1m year1, with a $14m bonus&#8230;<br />
Did Cashman GET Holliday and keep the payroll under $190m?</p>
<p>What if we give someone $6.5m/yr in bonus for 2 years&#8230; and it balances out when Po in off the books in 2012?</p>
<p>There must be some &#8216;funny&#8217; rules about bonuses, because they are handed out all kinds of different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[47]
Maybe those dopey fans will be upset thinking we got THIS guy ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vonnie_Holliday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[47]<br />
Maybe those dopey fans will be upset thinking we got THIS guy ..</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vonnie_Holliday" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vonnie_Holliday</a></p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad Gaudin got paid $2m in 2009. Is he not worth that for SP depth?
What about JHJr? He was handy to have around. What would he cost?
Hinske was great on the bench. What does he cost? Even though he is shitty with the glove, isn’t he a good backup for ARod at 3rd (with a lot of work during ST), when ARod doesn&#039;t play?

In 2010....
Holliday + NO DH (Po, Swisher, Jeter, ARod, Miranda, Montero) costs the same as &#039;a Cameron&#039; and &#039;a Matsui&#039;. Is it close to a wash production wise?
In 2011, My guess is Po DH&#039;es 60 games and of course Montero and the crew (Swisher, Jeter, ARod, Miranda). So if we don&#039;t get Holliday (and lease a LFer instead), we still need a LFer.

I&#039;m just not sure that Holliday costs us much more over the next 5 years then a different (equal in value) alternative,

This is why Methinks Cashman is on Holliday.
Besides... lots of dopey fans will think we got H&lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt;lliday. and be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad Gaudin got paid $2m in 2009. Is he not worth that for SP depth?<br />
What about JHJr? He was handy to have around. What would he cost?<br />
Hinske was great on the bench. What does he cost? Even though he is shitty with the glove, isn’t he a good backup for ARod at 3rd (with a lot of work during ST), when ARod doesn&#8217;t play?</p>
<p>In 2010&#8230;.<br />
Holliday + NO DH (Po, Swisher, Jeter, ARod, Miranda, Montero) costs the same as &#8216;a Cameron&#8217; and &#8216;a Matsui&#8217;. Is it close to a wash production wise?<br />
In 2011, My guess is Po DH&#8217;es 60 games and of course Montero and the crew (Swisher, Jeter, ARod, Miranda). So if we don&#8217;t get Holliday (and lease a LFer instead), we still need a LFer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure that Holliday costs us much more over the next 5 years then a different (equal in value) alternative,</p>
<p>This is why Methinks Cashman is on Holliday.<br />
Besides&#8230; lots of dopey fans will think we got H<i>a</i>lliday. and be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[40]

The determination of a Player’s Salary for a particular Contract Year
for the purposes of interpretation and application of this Article XXIII
only shall be in accordance with the following rules.

... 

(3) Signing Bonuses
Any Signing Bonus in a Uniform Player’s Contract (and any
other payment this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) shall be
attributed, pro rata, over the Guaranteed Years of the Contract. If a
Contract contains no Guaranteed Years, the Signing Bonus shall be
attributed in full to the first year of the Contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[40]</p>
<p>The determination of a Player’s Salary for a particular Contract Year<br />
for the purposes of interpretation and application of this Article XXIII<br />
only shall be in accordance with the following rules.</p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>(3) Signing Bonuses<br />
Any Signing Bonus in a Uniform Player’s Contract (and any<br />
other payment this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) shall be<br />
attributed, pro rata, over the Guaranteed Years of the Contract. If a<br />
Contract contains no Guaranteed Years, the Signing Bonus shall be<br />
attributed in full to the first year of the Contract.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[43] He was drafted by the Yankees out of high school, but he decided to return to high school, so he definitely doesn&#039;t qualify as a former Yankee prospect who was traded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[43] He was drafted by the Yankees out of high school, but he decided to return to high school, so he definitely doesn&#8217;t qualify as a former Yankee prospect who was traded.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[40]
Look at section XXIII, part C for some help
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/docs/2007_2011_cba.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[40]<br />
Look at section XXIII, part C for some help<br />
<a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/docs/2007_2011_cba.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/docs/2007_2011_cba.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[24] I did mean Bo Jackson. He was an original Yankee draft pick. By that token, I could say Mark Prior and John Elway also, but your Deion Sanders point is valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[24] I did mean Bo Jackson. He was an original Yankee draft pick. By that token, I could say Mark Prior and John Elway also, but your Deion Sanders point is valid.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[41] Only Miranda gets paid regardless of where he is. The other 40-man guys have to actually be on the team to earn their major league salaries.

As for Brackman, his $4.55mn contract includes the $3.35mn signing bonus, so his annual outlay is $558,333 for his bonus (paid 2007-2012) and $300,000 for his salary (paid 2007-2010).

The bonuses definitely count toward the luxury tax (they are salary expenses). The question is when are they are applied...pro-rated or as they are paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[41] Only Miranda gets paid regardless of where he is. The other 40-man guys have to actually be on the team to earn their major league salaries.</p>
<p>As for Brackman, his $4.55mn contract includes the $3.35mn signing bonus, so his annual outlay is $558,333 for his bonus (paid 2007-2012) and $300,000 for his salary (paid 2007-2010).</p>
<p>The bonuses definitely count toward the luxury tax (they are salary expenses). The question is when are they are applied&#8230;pro-rated or as they are paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[37] Ah, well, back in [18] I do mention Gaudin and Melky, so that&#039;s $6M.  

Miranda has to DH, because who else will right now; even if he doesn&#039;t, he gets paid his $.4M.  Everyone else also comes from the 40-man roster, to fill the last bench spot and the non-Mo-Marte-Gaudin bullpen slots - unless, of course, the Yanks sign some free agents, which I doubt they will.  Perhaps a non-tenderee is possible, but those guys make peanuts too.  Even still, Miranda+5 spots = ~$3M.  That plus the $6M for Gaudin and Melky gets us about even.

But where did you get that number for Brackman?  Yes, his $3.35M signing bonus is spread over 6 years (that&#039;s $558333 in 4 of the years, $558334 in the other 2), but his salary is $4.55M for 4 years, or $1,137,500 each year.

[39] I have no idea if or how bonuses count towards payroll in MLB, and I doubt there&#039;s an official answer like in the NFL.  So for simplicity, I left them out.  

My wild-ass guess, though, is bonuses are treated as non-salary expenses, and thus technically wouldn&#039;t count towards payrolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[37] Ah, well, back in [18] I do mention Gaudin and Melky, so that&#8217;s $6M.  </p>
<p>Miranda has to DH, because who else will right now; even if he doesn&#8217;t, he gets paid his $.4M.  Everyone else also comes from the 40-man roster, to fill the last bench spot and the non-Mo-Marte-Gaudin bullpen slots &#8211; unless, of course, the Yanks sign some free agents, which I doubt they will.  Perhaps a non-tenderee is possible, but those guys make peanuts too.  Even still, Miranda+5 spots = ~$3M.  That plus the $6M for Gaudin and Melky gets us about even.</p>
<p>But where did you get that number for Brackman?  Yes, his $3.35M signing bonus is spread over 6 years (that&#8217;s $558333 in 4 of the years, $558334 in the other 2), but his salary is $4.55M for 4 years, or $1,137,500 each year.</p>
<p>[39] I have no idea if or how bonuses count towards payroll in MLB, and I doubt there&#8217;s an official answer like in the NFL.  So for simplicity, I left them out.  </p>
<p>My wild-ass guess, though, is bonuses are treated as non-salary expenses, and thus technically wouldn&#8217;t count towards payrolls.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[38] I don&#039;t think the musical chairs matters that much on offense. With a bat in their hands, it doesn&#039;t matter where they play, so Melky is still Melky. If Damon signs as a DH, the net difference is Granderson versus Matsui, which isn&#039;t a bad tradeoff. Where the shuffling does count is on defense, and Melky and Granderson would be a significant upgrade.

My point with Damon was not one year at a high salary versus 3-4 years at less. It&#039;s 1 or 2 years at less versus 1 year at high salary. The Yankees might be able to afford $16mn, but why do that when you could possibly pay another DH (or Damon himself) half that? Then, you could use that $8mn to fill other holes.

The Yankees had to treat Matsui so gently this past season, that I don&#039;t think you can confidently project him to stay healthy. For that reason, I would give Damon an edge over him (unless you are prepared to bring in Matsui and another bat like Cameron or DeRosa).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[38] I don&#8217;t think the musical chairs matters that much on offense. With a bat in their hands, it doesn&#8217;t matter where they play, so Melky is still Melky. If Damon signs as a DH, the net difference is Granderson versus Matsui, which isn&#8217;t a bad tradeoff. Where the shuffling does count is on defense, and Melky and Granderson would be a significant upgrade.</p>
<p>My point with Damon was not one year at a high salary versus 3-4 years at less. It&#8217;s 1 or 2 years at less versus 1 year at high salary. The Yankees might be able to afford $16mn, but why do that when you could possibly pay another DH (or Damon himself) half that? Then, you could use that $8mn to fill other holes.</p>
<p>The Yankees had to treat Matsui so gently this past season, that I don&#8217;t think you can confidently project him to stay healthy. For that reason, I would give Damon an edge over him (unless you are prepared to bring in Matsui and another bat like Cameron or DeRosa).</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[36] If you apply the bonus in the year it is paid, CC&#039;s salary doesn&#039;t change. Otherwise, it jumps from $15.3mn to $24.3mn.

Bonus money is taxable, but what I am not sure about is whether you pro-rate (like football) or apply it in the year it is paid.

The Royals and White Sox are rumored to be very interested in Gardner, so I think Cashman can get something back for him. These are teams that have traded useful parts for Coco Crisp and Scott Pods, so I wouldn&#039;t rule it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[36] If you apply the bonus in the year it is paid, CC&#8217;s salary doesn&#8217;t change. Otherwise, it jumps from $15.3mn to $24.3mn.</p>
<p>Bonus money is taxable, but what I am not sure about is whether you pro-rate (like football) or apply it in the year it is paid.</p>
<p>The Royals and White Sox are rumored to be very interested in Gardner, so I think Cashman can get something back for him. These are teams that have traded useful parts for Coco Crisp and Scott Pods, so I wouldn&#8217;t rule it out.</p>
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		<title>By: 51cq24</title>
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		<dc:creator>51cq24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[32] it would surprise me if melky starts because i see the granderson trade as an upgrade in cf, not as an answer to lf.  maybe i&#039;m wrong, but while melky did start most of the year in 09, he was also by far the weakest starter.  i like melky and hope he improves, but i just don&#039;t see it happening.  his swing is too loopy.  he is a good outfielder though, especially in the corners where he is more effective at stopping 1st to 3rd and such.
i don&#039;t think damon is way behind anyone, but i do think matsui is better, and i don&#039;t think damon is nearly enough of a fielder to overcome that.  and while that would have been a bit of an outrageous salary in 2010, i think the yankees could handle it for 1 year, which would be much better than 3 or 4 years at a slightly lower annual salary.  plus you get the possibility of added draft picks.

[33] that&#039;s true, and matsui&#039;s knees are an issue that the yankees should certainly consider.  but in his career he&#039;s been very durable.  maybe that has caught up to him, but i don&#039;t think that&#039;s at all clear, especially if we don&#039;t use him in the outfield at all.  but it sounds like other teams would consider using him in the outfield, so maybe he&#039;s actually getting better.  i just don&#039;t know.

[10] vazquez was a good pitcher.  the mistake with him, in my opinion, was trading him for the old asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[32] it would surprise me if melky starts because i see the granderson trade as an upgrade in cf, not as an answer to lf.  maybe i&#8217;m wrong, but while melky did start most of the year in 09, he was also by far the weakest starter.  i like melky and hope he improves, but i just don&#8217;t see it happening.  his swing is too loopy.  he is a good outfielder though, especially in the corners where he is more effective at stopping 1st to 3rd and such.<br />
i don&#8217;t think damon is way behind anyone, but i do think matsui is better, and i don&#8217;t think damon is nearly enough of a fielder to overcome that.  and while that would have been a bit of an outrageous salary in 2010, i think the yankees could handle it for 1 year, which would be much better than 3 or 4 years at a slightly lower annual salary.  plus you get the possibility of added draft picks.</p>
<p>[33] that&#8217;s true, and matsui&#8217;s knees are an issue that the yankees should certainly consider.  but in his career he&#8217;s been very durable.  maybe that has caught up to him, but i don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s at all clear, especially if we don&#8217;t use him in the outfield at all.  but it sounds like other teams would consider using him in the outfield, so maybe he&#8217;s actually getting better.  i just don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>[10] vazquez was a good pitcher.  the mistake with him, in my opinion, was trading him for the old asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[34] I didn&#039;t see that you said you added in Melky and Gaudin, which explains some of the difference. You&#039;ve also added a few guys whom I haven&#039;t assumed will make the team. Where you are now too low is you haven&#039;t included Arod&#039;s $1mn bonus in 2010, which is payable January 15 as well as Tex&#039; and CC&#039;s pro-rated bonuses, assuming they shouldn&#039;t be applied completely to 2009, which is when they were paid. Also, you are too high on Brackman because most of his bonus was payable over 6 years (even though he has a four year contract). The real annual figure is $858,333.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[34] I didn&#8217;t see that you said you added in Melky and Gaudin, which explains some of the difference. You&#8217;ve also added a few guys whom I haven&#8217;t assumed will make the team. Where you are now too low is you haven&#8217;t included Arod&#8217;s $1mn bonus in 2010, which is payable January 15 as well as Tex&#8217; and CC&#8217;s pro-rated bonuses, assuming they shouldn&#8217;t be applied completely to 2009, which is when they were paid. Also, you are too high on Brackman because most of his bonus was payable over 6 years (even though he has a four year contract). The real annual figure is $858,333.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[28] CC gets a big raise. His first year had bonus money in it.
BANTER QUESTION:
1) Does BONUS money count towards payroll on the year it is paid?
2) I assume it is &#039;Taxable&#039;?
3) Bonuses are paid out in all kings of crazy ways. What&#039;s the logic?

Brett won&#039;t bring us much more then a bag of balls. Why trade him unless we get someone really useful? He&#039;s got options and is cost controlled for a while. I think trading him depends somewhat on who we get for LF.

At $80m, I can the the Red Sox and Angels in on Holliday. Will the Cardinals go that high? The Mariners take the big dive? Who&#039;s got $80m to spend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[28] CC gets a big raise. His first year had bonus money in it.<br />
BANTER QUESTION:<br />
1) Does BONUS money count towards payroll on the year it is paid?<br />
2) I assume it is &#8216;Taxable&#8217;?<br />
3) Bonuses are paid out in all kings of crazy ways. What&#8217;s the logic?</p>
<p>Brett won&#8217;t bring us much more then a bag of balls. Why trade him unless we get someone really useful? He&#8217;s got options and is cost controlled for a while. I think trading him depends somewhat on who we get for LF.</p>
<p>At $80m, I can the the Red Sox and Angels in on Holliday. Will the Cardinals go that high? The Mariners take the big dive? Who&#8217;s got $80m to spend?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[34] And while Edwar and/or Albaladejo will, I&#039;m sure, be in the mix this year, I think if neither sticks for good in 2010, they will both be gone, because both are arbitration-eligible after 2010, and there are plenty more righty relievers down on the farm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[34] And while Edwar and/or Albaladejo will, I&#8217;m sure, be in the mix this year, I think if neither sticks for good in 2010, they will both be gone, because both are arbitration-eligible after 2010, and there are plenty more righty relievers down on the farm.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[30] OK, now I&#039;m really curious, because (except for Brackman) I ignored signing bonuses altogether.  Here&#039;s what I have (all in millions):

Posada	13.1
Tex	        20
Cano	9
A-Rod	32
Jeter  	21
Melky	3
Swisher	6.75
Curtis	5.5
Miranda	0.4
Cervelli	0.45
Pena	0.45
Gardner	0.45
Hoffman	0.45
CC	        23
AJ	        16.5
Andy	11.75
Joba	        0.45
Phil	        0.45
Mo	       15
Marte	 4
Robertson0.45
Aceves	 0.45
Melancon	 0.45
Dunn	 0.45
Gaudin	 3
Brackman	1.695833333
Igawa	4

I also had .45 for Edwar and Albaladejo, but I guess I shouldn&#039;t include those.  If they aren&#039;t in the majors, they won&#039;t get paid.  Still, that drops me to ~$194M ($194.1958333M to be precise).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[30] OK, now I&#8217;m really curious, because (except for Brackman) I ignored signing bonuses altogether.  Here&#8217;s what I have (all in millions):</p>
<p>Posada	13.1<br />
Tex	        20<br />
Cano	9<br />
A-Rod	32<br />
Jeter  	21<br />
Melky	3<br />
Swisher	6.75<br />
Curtis	5.5<br />
Miranda	0.4<br />
Cervelli	0.45<br />
Pena	0.45<br />
Gardner	0.45<br />
Hoffman	0.45<br />
CC	        23<br />
AJ	        16.5<br />
Andy	11.75<br />
Joba	        0.45<br />
Phil	        0.45<br />
Mo	       15<br />
Marte	 4<br />
Robertson0.45<br />
Aceves	 0.45<br />
Melancon	 0.45<br />
Dunn	 0.45<br />
Gaudin	 3<br />
Brackman	1.695833333<br />
Igawa	4</p>
<p>I also had .45 for Edwar and Albaladejo, but I guess I shouldn&#8217;t include those.  If they aren&#8217;t in the majors, they won&#8217;t get paid.  Still, that drops me to ~$194M ($194.1958333M to be precise).</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[31] You also have to add health into your equation. Who is more likely to miss a considerable amount of time: Matsui or Damon. I think that question heavily favors Damon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[31] You also have to add health into your equation. Who is more likely to miss a considerable amount of time: Matsui or Damon. I think that question heavily favors Damon.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[29] You might be right, but why would it surprise you? He was pretty much a regular in 2009, so why not 2010? Also, do you really think Damon is that far behind other DH options? If so, who in particular? As for offering him arbitration, I think this market has proven that it would have been silly to wind up paying Damon $15-16mn for 1 year, which is what he would have been awarded in arbitration.

I also like the idea of Sheets, but the early word is he wants in excess of $12mn, which is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[29] You might be right, but why would it surprise you? He was pretty much a regular in 2009, so why not 2010? Also, do you really think Damon is that far behind other DH options? If so, who in particular? As for offering him arbitration, I think this market has proven that it would have been silly to wind up paying Damon $15-16mn for 1 year, which is what he would have been awarded in arbitration.</p>
<p>I also like the idea of Sheets, but the early word is he wants in excess of $12mn, which is absurd.</p>
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