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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how long Jeter&#039;s next deal will be for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how long Jeter&#8217;s next deal will be for.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, as many have said, Cashman is definitely working on getting Holliday, though obviously not at any cost. There is 0 chance that the Yankees are not in on the negotiation at this point. Holliday would virtually guarantee a Yankee dynasty. That said, I don&#039;t think we need him, and I&#039;d prefer to do it for less money.

Also, I do think the Yankees seem like they are signaling to Jeter and Mariano that the well of money is not limitless. Capping &quot;ability to pay&quot; is a negotiation 101 strategy and the best way to show the cap is authentic is to have a painful cap experience before the negotiation starts - to show it&#039;s real. Bypassing Holliday (who would great improve the team) would be exactly that kind of signal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as many have said, Cashman is definitely working on getting Holliday, though obviously not at any cost. There is 0 chance that the Yankees are not in on the negotiation at this point. Holliday would virtually guarantee a Yankee dynasty. That said, I don&#8217;t think we need him, and I&#8217;d prefer to do it for less money.</p>
<p>Also, I do think the Yankees seem like they are signaling to Jeter and Mariano that the well of money is not limitless. Capping &#8220;ability to pay&#8221; is a negotiation 101 strategy and the best way to show the cap is authentic is to have a painful cap experience before the negotiation starts &#8211; to show it&#8217;s real. Bypassing Holliday (who would great improve the team) would be exactly that kind of signal.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[95] I agree and will put up another hundred next to yours. Even though OPS+ is a terrible way to measure relative performance for these players given the improvements in defense and OBP and the way the Yankees have optimized the lineup for patience and wearing down pitchers, I&#039;ll still bet that NJ + CJ 2010 &gt; than Mats and JD 2010. If they are even equal, the Yankees will obviously have improved given the much lower cost, so it&#039;s a stupid bet, but still one I&#039;ll win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[95] I agree and will put up another hundred next to yours. Even though OPS+ is a terrible way to measure relative performance for these players given the improvements in defense and OBP and the way the Yankees have optimized the lineup for patience and wearing down pitchers, I&#8217;ll still bet that NJ + CJ 2010 &gt; than Mats and JD 2010. If they are even equal, the Yankees will obviously have improved given the much lower cost, so it&#8217;s a stupid bet, but still one I&#8217;ll win.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[94] I would also point out that wilth Holliday signed, in 2011, there is absolutely NO need for a DH. Posada for 60 games, Swisher, ARod, Jeter. Miranda, Montero. So, the net dollars, assuming 5/$80 for Holliday:
2010: Trade Melky (no replacement needed) - net $13m
2011: NJ is gone (no replacement needed) - net $7.5m

I wish we had just gotten Holliday instead of NJ.
I do think payroll considerations over the next 5 years is very important.... but not so in any ONE specific year.

I can&#039;t afford to borrow $10k.
Although, if I had a guaranteed EXTRA $10k coming in 12 months, 
I would feel differently.
If Cashman plans of going with an economical LFer over the next 5 years, so be it. But IF he wants an impact LFer after this year.... then what&#039;s the point in passing on Holliday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[94] I would also point out that wilth Holliday signed, in 2011, there is absolutely NO need for a DH. Posada for 60 games, Swisher, ARod, Jeter. Miranda, Montero. So, the net dollars, assuming 5/$80 for Holliday:<br />
2010: Trade Melky (no replacement needed) &#8211; net $13m<br />
2011: NJ is gone (no replacement needed) &#8211; net $7.5m</p>
<p>I wish we had just gotten Holliday instead of NJ.<br />
I do think payroll considerations over the next 5 years is very important&#8230;. but not so in any ONE specific year.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t afford to borrow $10k.<br />
Although, if I had a guaranteed EXTRA $10k coming in 12 months,<br />
I would feel differently.<br />
If Cashman plans of going with an economical LFer over the next 5 years, so be it. But IF he wants an impact LFer after this year&#8230;. then what&#8217;s the point in passing on Holliday?</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[93] My point is we are going to pay SOMETHING for a LFer.
If Holliday becomes our new LFer, then looking at the NET impact means subtracting the &#039;old&#039; traded LFer&#039;s salary.

What will Werth cost (if we get him) in 2011? $14m?
So, is $16m for Holliday (in then hand) in 2010 
a better &#039;fit&#039; then $14m for Werth (in the bush) in 2011?
Is saving X dollars in 2010 really that important if we plan on spending X dollars in 2011?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[93] My point is we are going to pay SOMETHING for a LFer.<br />
If Holliday becomes our new LFer, then looking at the NET impact means subtracting the &#8216;old&#8217; traded LFer&#8217;s salary.</p>
<p>What will Werth cost (if we get him) in 2011? $14m?<br />
So, is $16m for Holliday (in then hand) in 2010<br />
a better &#8216;fit&#8217; then $14m for Werth (in the bush) in 2011?<br />
Is saving X dollars in 2010 really that important if we plan on spending X dollars in 2011?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll slap $100 on the table to say that the OPS+ of Grandy and NJ &gt; Damon and Matsui in 2010. Grandy is going to be north of 130 and NJ will be around 120. Matsui might hit 120-130, but Damon will be around 110.

Of course, none of that covers Grandy&#039;s defense nor the fact the Yanks saved about $10 million. 

Holliday is a big mistake for the money. Let him continue to pad his stats in the NL.

I don&#039;t see how the Sox have improved. The pitching isn&#039;t scary and the offense - the reason they got swept out of the post-season - actually took a step backward. We&#039;re lucky they went stupid with Cameron and Scutaro rather than smart with Figgins and Hardy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll slap $100 on the table to say that the OPS+ of Grandy and NJ &gt; Damon and Matsui in 2010. Grandy is going to be north of 130 and NJ will be around 120. Matsui might hit 120-130, but Damon will be around 110.</p>
<p>Of course, none of that covers Grandy&#8217;s defense nor the fact the Yanks saved about $10 million. </p>
<p>Holliday is a big mistake for the money. Let him continue to pad his stats in the NL.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how the Sox have improved. The pitching isn&#8217;t scary and the offense &#8211; the reason they got swept out of the post-season &#8211; actually took a step backward. We&#8217;re lucky they went stupid with Cameron and Scutaro rather than smart with Figgins and Hardy.</p>
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		<title>By: wsporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[69] Yes!

I like the net cost analysis done on moving Melky and bringing in Holliday. It just seems to make too much sense not to do from a pure baseball perspective. What the accountants and money managers think I have no idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[69] Yes!</p>
<p>I like the net cost analysis done on moving Melky and bringing in Holliday. It just seems to make too much sense not to do from a pure baseball perspective. What the accountants and money managers think I have no idea!</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[83] Also, are you counting the loss of Bay and to a lesser degree Lowell?

[84] Does it matter what he will make over the next 5 years? There is no guarantee that the Yankees will keep him, unless of course he does continue to improve, in which case $5mn would be a bargain.

[86] DeRosa is a pretty good hitter who gets on base and plays many positions. Nady is coming off major surgery and Brett Gardner can&#039;t hit. I am not a big DeRosa fan, but he is better than those two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[83] Also, are you counting the loss of Bay and to a lesser degree Lowell?</p>
<p>[84] Does it matter what he will make over the next 5 years? There is no guarantee that the Yankees will keep him, unless of course he does continue to improve, in which case $5mn would be a bargain.</p>
<p>[86] DeRosa is a pretty good hitter who gets on base and plays many positions. Nady is coming off major surgery and Brett Gardner can&#8217;t hit. I am not a big DeRosa fan, but he is better than those two.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Feinsand (Daily News) says:
&quot;I spoke with Damon earlier tonight, and while he declined to discuss any specifics about his negotiations, &lt;b&gt;he was clearly disappointed&lt;/b&gt; that the Yankees had decided to move on without him.

&#039;I wanted it to happen. I have nothing but great things to say about the Yankees,&#039; Damon said. “If the Nick Johnson thing works out, it will be good for them. It’s part of baseball.”

Does JD have Boris&#039;s telephone number?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2009/12/say-goodbye-to-johnny-say-hell.html#ixzz0a3gPRaTA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Feinsand (Daily News) says:<br />
&#8220;I spoke with Damon earlier tonight, and while he declined to discuss any specifics about his negotiations, <b>he was clearly disappointed</b> that the Yankees had decided to move on without him.</p>
<p>&#8216;I wanted it to happen. I have nothing but great things to say about the Yankees,&#8217; Damon said. “If the Nick Johnson thing works out, it will be good for them. It’s part of baseball.”</p>
<p>Does JD have Boris&#8217;s telephone number?<br />
<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2009/12/say-goodbye-to-johnny-say-hell.html#ixzz0a3gPRaTA" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2009/12/say-goodbye-to-johnny-say-hell.html#ixzz0a3gPRaTA</a></p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[83] But why would you want to compare a 36 year old and 29 year old based on one season? I&#039;d gladly take you up on your wager, but you really can&#039;t add up OPS+, so we&#039;ll have to settle on another method. Besides, with NJ&#039;s prodigious OBP, I definitely wouldn&#039;t want to use OPS as the measuring stick.

As for your second point, I didn&#039;t say the Sox haven&#039;t improved...I just don&#039;t think they have significantly closed the gap, mostly because I think the gap is starting off pretty big.

As for the Phillies, who cares what they do...the Yankees only have to deal with them in the World Series. Also, Halladay is great, but how much better can he be for the Phillies than Lee was in the post season?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[83] But why would you want to compare a 36 year old and 29 year old based on one season? I&#8217;d gladly take you up on your wager, but you really can&#8217;t add up OPS+, so we&#8217;ll have to settle on another method. Besides, with NJ&#8217;s prodigious OBP, I definitely wouldn&#8217;t want to use OPS as the measuring stick.</p>
<p>As for your second point, I didn&#8217;t say the Sox haven&#8217;t improved&#8230;I just don&#8217;t think they have significantly closed the gap, mostly because I think the gap is starting off pretty big.</p>
<p>As for the Phillies, who cares what they do&#8230;the Yankees only have to deal with them in the World Series. Also, Halladay is great, but how much better can he be for the Phillies than Lee was in the post season?</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[81] It doesn&#039;t really impact your post, but I wouldn&#039;t go overboard with the Fangraph&#039;s data. A lot of those &quot;salary&quot; figures are based on some questionable underlying assumptions. They are a nice relative tool, but really shouldn&#039;t be regarded as absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[81] It doesn&#8217;t really impact your post, but I wouldn&#8217;t go overboard with the Fangraph&#8217;s data. A lot of those &#8220;salary&#8221; figures are based on some questionable underlying assumptions. They are a nice relative tool, but really shouldn&#8217;t be regarded as absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[83[ Agreed 100%. If our goals is truly a WS ring, you especially can&#039;t ignor Boston&#039;s improvements, and Philadelphia&#039;s (to a lesser extent) also come into play.

I NEED A VOTE... confirmation.... feedback.
On the DH issue:
Jorge himself, on RADIO, said he KNOWS he can only Catch &quot;110 to 115 games&quot;. And my guess is rough, tough, proud Jorge is not underestimating this. SO......

DH Jorge: 40 games.
NL games: 10 Games
ARod/Jeter: 15 games.
I won&#039;t include Tex, as when he DH&#039;es, Nick could play first.

That&#039;s 40% of the DH ABs spoken for. Is this a reasonable assessment? Just saying&#039; that if Miggy Cairo is our DH, he only plays in 100 games.

Also, I agree the fact that NJ &#039;plays a position&#039; has minimal value, as he is blocked by Teix. But it does have some value. If NJ can play 1B 20-25 games, against flyball pitchers and/or LHP, and Teix can DH those games. it is measurable rest of Teix, especially if he has some &#039;minor bumps and bruises&#039; at those times.

Many guys play the field155+ games. But that doesn&#039;t mean they wouldn&#039;t be a bit fresher and a bit better (think Jeter) if 20 of those games were at DH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[83[ Agreed 100%. If our goals is truly a WS ring, you especially can't ignor Boston's improvements, and Philadelphia's (to a lesser extent) also come into play.</p>
<p>I NEED A VOTE... confirmation.... feedback.<br />
On the DH issue:<br />
Jorge himself, on RADIO, said he KNOWS he can only Catch "110 to 115 games". And my guess is rough, tough, proud Jorge is not underestimating this. SO......</p>
<p>DH Jorge: 40 games.<br />
NL games: 10 Games<br />
ARod/Jeter: 15 games.<br />
I won't include Tex, as when he DH'es, Nick could play first.</p>
<p>That's 40% of the DH ABs spoken for. Is this a reasonable assessment? Just saying' that if Miggy Cairo is our DH, he only plays in 100 games.</p>
<p>Also, I agree the fact that NJ 'plays a position' has minimal value, as he is blocked by Teix. But it does have some value. If NJ can play 1B 20-25 games, against flyball pitchers and/or LHP, and Teix can DH those games. it is measurable rest of Teix, especially if he has some 'minor bumps and bruises' at those times.</p>
<p>Many guys play the field155+ games. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be a bit fresher and a bit better (think Jeter) if 20 of those games were at DH.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[83] &lt;i&gt;do you seriously think they will produce an increase in overall production greater at the margin than what the RS added in Lackey and Cameron?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t mean to speak for William, but can we really say what the RS have &quot;added&quot; without considering what they will have (or may have) lost.  Does adding 37 y.o. Cameron make up for losing Bay? And possibly losing Lowell?  Do they have another blockbuster lined up?  Otherwise, that &#039;s a lot of missing O.  And signing Marco Scutaro is not going to put lots of runs on the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[83] <i>do you seriously think they will produce an increase in overall production greater at the margin than what the RS added in Lackey and Cameron?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to speak for William, but can we really say what the RS have &#8220;added&#8221; without considering what they will have (or may have) lost.  Does adding 37 y.o. Cameron make up for losing Bay? And possibly losing Lowell?  Do they have another blockbuster lined up?  Otherwise, that &#8216;s a lot of missing O.  And signing Marco Scutaro is not going to put lots of runs on the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry Hairston, Jr. anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Hairston, Jr. anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh god PLEASE don&#039;t sign DeRosa.  What a waste.  At that point you may as well give the shot to Gardner.  What a waste of $ and time....awful, simply awful.  No better than Nady in that regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh god PLEASE don&#8217;t sign DeRosa.  What a waste.  At that point you may as well give the shot to Gardner.  What a waste of $ and time&#8230;.awful, simply awful.  No better than Nady in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[82] Yes, a number of other guys could DH. Like...Matsui, Vlad, Thome, Delgado, Johnson, Damon.  Wait, all of these guys are aging or have injury concerns or see to be on the decline or will be too costly.They would all be risks in one way or another. I&#039;m not sure Johnson represents a significantly greater risk to survive 100 games and 400 ABs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[82] Yes, a number of other guys could DH. Like&#8230;Matsui, Vlad, Thome, Delgado, Johnson, Damon.  Wait, all of these guys are aging or have injury concerns or see to be on the decline or will be too costly.They would all be risks in one way or another. I&#8217;m not sure Johnson represents a significantly greater risk to survive 100 games and 400 ABs.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, what makes you think Melky is going to make $5mn this year?&quot;
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I said $25m over the next 5 years. Reasonable? I&#039;m guessing $3m in 2010. Certainly $7m in 2014 is not a stretch.</description>
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I said $25m over the next 5 years. Reasonable? I&#8217;m guessing $3m in 2010. Certainly $7m in 2014 is not a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: sonyahennystutu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonyahennystutu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[75]  Over 3 years sure, but how about last year?  And that&#039;s looking at 1 pair in isolation, what about both pair?  

Tell you what - gentleman&#039;s wager: Matsui + Damon in 2010 OPS+ will be higher than CG + NJ OPS+ 2010.  That takes any home field advantage out of the equation (though I disagree with you about Matsui and YSIII).

Also, you seriously don&#039;t think the RS or Phillies closed the gap in this off season so far?!?  Seriously?  That is a notion I find completely preposterous.

Even if you allow (which I will not outside this point) that CG + NJ will be better than Matsui + JD, do you seriously think they will produce an increase in overall production greater at the margin than what the RS added in Lackey and Cameron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[75]  Over 3 years sure, but how about last year?  And that&#8217;s looking at 1 pair in isolation, what about both pair?  </p>
<p>Tell you what &#8211; gentleman&#8217;s wager: Matsui + Damon in 2010 OPS+ will be higher than CG + NJ OPS+ 2010.  That takes any home field advantage out of the equation (though I disagree with you about Matsui and YSIII).</p>
<p>Also, you seriously don&#8217;t think the RS or Phillies closed the gap in this off season so far?!?  Seriously?  That is a notion I find completely preposterous.</p>
<p>Even if you allow (which I will not outside this point) that CG + NJ will be better than Matsui + JD, do you seriously think they will produce an increase in overall production greater at the margin than what the RS added in Lackey and Cameron?</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[76]  I meant that you could get a number of other guys to DH.  Heck, you could bring back Matsui or Damon (who&#039;s contract wants are ridiculous) though I think having a rotating DH would work.  A-Rod is probably still going to need rest one day a week, maybe he could DH then (depending on what the doctors say).

[77] I have no faith that Johnson will stay healthy.  I would have loved to have him be the new Yankee 1B when he came up, but the injuries and his lack of ability to play anywhere other than first, where the Yankees already have an MVP candidate, makes me wondering about this decision.

I don&#039;t hate it, just puzzled that wasn&#039;t there someone else on the market the Yankees could use.  Or an outfield with Melky, Curtis, Swisher, and Gardner, have one of the first three DH a bit.  Or even Nady.

[79] Yankees had a revolving LF in 1998.  Didn&#039;t turn out so bad then.  So I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[76]  I meant that you could get a number of other guys to DH.  Heck, you could bring back Matsui or Damon (who&#8217;s contract wants are ridiculous) though I think having a rotating DH would work.  A-Rod is probably still going to need rest one day a week, maybe he could DH then (depending on what the doctors say).</p>
<p>[77] I have no faith that Johnson will stay healthy.  I would have loved to have him be the new Yankee 1B when he came up, but the injuries and his lack of ability to play anywhere other than first, where the Yankees already have an MVP candidate, makes me wondering about this decision.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate it, just puzzled that wasn&#8217;t there someone else on the market the Yankees could use.  Or an outfield with Melky, Curtis, Swisher, and Gardner, have one of the first three DH a bit.  Or even Nady.</p>
<p>[79] Yankees had a revolving LF in 1998.  Didn&#8217;t turn out so bad then.  So I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJ&#039;s wrist injuries is certainly a concern. He has always had hand issues. But including his broken leg AND cheek in his injury prone rap may be unfair. Is anyone afraid that he might break his leg or cheek again in 2010? And one has to think that not playing the field at least helps counter his potential injury risk.

If Nick plays a full year with the Yanks and posts his career .371 wOBA, he is probably worth $10m next year, If nothing else, as a contract year, he should be very motivated.

FWIW, FanGraphs vaued him at $10.9m last year, and projects his 2010 value at $15m. (Granted, this is as a 1Bman, not DH). FanGraphs vaued Matsui at $11.0m last year, and projects his 2010 value at $8.6m.

And someone asked how much is better fielding worth? Well (again, FWIW), because of his poor fielding, for his career, Fangraphs valued Matsui at $47.8m, while over that time he was paid $73.0m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJ&#8217;s wrist injuries is certainly a concern. He has always had hand issues. But including his broken leg AND cheek in his injury prone rap may be unfair. Is anyone afraid that he might break his leg or cheek again in 2010? And one has to think that not playing the field at least helps counter his potential injury risk.</p>
<p>If Nick plays a full year with the Yanks and posts his career .371 wOBA, he is probably worth $10m next year, If nothing else, as a contract year, he should be very motivated.</p>
<p>FWIW, FanGraphs vaued him at $10.9m last year, and projects his 2010 value at $15m. (Granted, this is as a 1Bman, not DH). FanGraphs vaued Matsui at $11.0m last year, and projects his 2010 value at $8.6m.</p>
<p>And someone asked how much is better fielding worth? Well (again, FWIW), because of his poor fielding, for his career, Fangraphs valued Matsui at $47.8m, while over that time he was paid $73.0m.</p>
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