Comments on: Too Late http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/ Baseball Blog by Alex Belth about the Yankees Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:06:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Paul http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-2/#comment-282131 Paul Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282131 [48] Great point. The Yankees are more than generous when they need to be. Damon gave good value but the Yankees gave four years when no one was giving him more than three years. Matsui didn't even earn all the money in his last contract. If the player doesn't want to work with them, then they shouldn't be surprised when they have another address. The Yankees shouldn't have to pay twice unless it's a true Yankee icon. And LF and DH are easily replaceable. [48] Great point. The Yankees are more than generous when they need to be. Damon gave good value but the Yankees gave four years when no one was giving him more than three years. Matsui didn’t even earn all the money in his last contract. If the player doesn’t want to work with them, then they shouldn’t be surprised when they have another address. The Yankees shouldn’t have to pay twice unless it’s a true Yankee icon. And LF and DH are easily replaceable.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282116 Raf Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:13:25 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282116 [40] Red flag or no, I don't think anyone foresaw the Yanks getting as little out of Pavano as they did. [40] Red flag or no, I don’t think anyone foresaw the Yanks getting as little out of Pavano as they did.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282115 Raf Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:11:12 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282115 If I'm Damon, I'd take a look at Atlanta. They gave Garret Anderson around 500 at bats and he didn't do squat. If I’m Damon, I’d take a look at Atlanta. They gave Garret Anderson around 500 at bats and he didn’t do squat.

]]> By: joejoejoe http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282104 joejoejoe Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:33:50 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282104 The Yankees have... - too much downside risk due to aging - their eye on 2011 free agents - a bargain DH in Nick Johnson - only so many ABs it would be nice to bring Johnny Damon back but all of the above argue against Damon getting a two year deal. I think the difference between Granderson and Johnson vs. Matsui and Damon is $12-14M savings over two years and two players who are a lot younger. If older Yankee FAs want to stay with the Yankees they have to take the Andy Pettitte approach and play on 1 year deals with a ton of incentives. The franchise wants to limit risk, it isn't being cheap. If Damon would play for $6M year + $5M incentives with a team option he could be a Yankee for life but there is no way Scott Boras is going to advise him to take that deal. The Yankees have…

- too much downside risk due to aging
- their eye on 2011 free agents
- a bargain DH in Nick Johnson
- only so many ABs

it would be nice to bring Johnny Damon back but all of the above argue against Damon getting a two year deal. I think the difference between Granderson and Johnson vs. Matsui and Damon is $12-14M savings over two years and two players who are a lot younger. If older Yankee FAs want to stay with the Yankees they have to take the Andy Pettitte approach and play on 1 year deals with a ton of incentives. The franchise wants to limit risk, it isn’t being cheap. If Damon would play for $6M year + $5M incentives with a team option he could be a Yankee for life but there is no way Scott Boras is going to advise him to take that deal.

]]> By: Just Fair http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282101 Just Fair Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:47:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282101 Watching the bottom of the 8th of the 03 ALCS on MLB. Just wow. The last time our neighbor pounded on the wall. Plus it makes me feel super old. I share Jeter's age and he looks like a character out of a bad 80's movie. Oy. : ) Watching the bottom of the 8th of the 03 ALCS on MLB. Just wow. The last time our neighbor pounded on the wall. Plus it makes me feel super old. I share Jeter’s age and he looks like a character out of a bad 80′s movie. Oy. : )

]]> By: Horace Clarke Era http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282100 Horace Clarke Era Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:38:09 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282100 [45] touché [45] touché

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282099 monkeypants Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:00:25 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282099 [42] <I>He needs to pull an ‘ARod’, and get back to the Yankees at any cost.</i> Wouldn't "pulling an A-Rod" mean that Johnny came back to the Yankees with a massive extension worth even more money? [42] He needs to pull an ‘ARod’, and get back to the Yankees at any cost.

Wouldn’t “pulling an A-Rod” mean that Johnny came back to the Yankees with a massive extension worth even more money?

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282098 monkeypants Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:58:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282098 [43] Damon also must be looking for security at this stage in his career. He's 36 and reduced to (probably) full-time DH duties. If he signs a one year deal and performs poorly, that could be teh end of the line, or at least the last time he signs a contract as a full-time player. He'll want the security of the extra year (or two if he's really lucky), which might even take him to retirement. [43] Damon also must be looking for security at this stage in his career. He’s 36 and reduced to (probably) full-time DH duties. If he signs a one year deal and performs poorly, that could be teh end of the line, or at least the last time he signs a contract as a full-time player. He’ll want the security of the extra year (or two if he’s really lucky), which might even take him to retirement.

]]> By: Horace Clarke Era http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282097 Horace Clarke Era Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:47:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282097 [42] Back to disagreeing. If San Fran offers 2 for 20, and the Yankees are nowhere, he's looking at serious money, OYF. Winning is worth a price drop, yes, and so is looking better in the right ballpark, but if Damon signs for 1 for 7, he may have to sign for 5 next year - that's walking away from 8 million dollars. Too easy for us to say. [42] Back to disagreeing. If San Fran offers 2 for 20, and the Yankees are nowhere, he’s looking at serious money, OYF. Winning is worth a price drop, yes, and so is looking better in the right ballpark, but if Damon signs for 1 for 7, he may have to sign for 5 next year – that’s walking away from 8 million dollars. Too easy for us to say.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2009/12/19/too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-282096 OldYanksFan Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:38:02 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=27297#comment-282096 [32] Exactly.... or rather, he terribly misled JD into thinking the Yankees would go much higher for his services. I feel badly for JD. Boris loses very little, while the rest of JD's career is ruined. What now, 2 years of invisibility in SanFran? If I'm JD, I go to the Yankees and offer myself for 1/$8m. One more year with the Yankees is better then 2 years anywhere else. He needs to pull an 'ARod', and get back to the Yankees at any cost. [32] Exactly…. or rather, he terribly misled JD into thinking the Yankees would go much higher for his services. I feel badly for JD. Boris loses very little, while the rest of JD’s career is ruined. What now, 2 years of invisibility in SanFran?

If I’m JD, I go to the Yankees and offer myself for 1/$8m.
One more year with the Yankees is better then 2 years anywhere else.
He needs to pull an ‘ARod’, and get back to the Yankees at any cost.

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