Comments on: Dis, Dat and duh T’oid http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sat, 18 May 2013 03:01:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104656 Chyll Will Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:55:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104656 [112] Ouch! You should practice in your dreams more, like I do; I'm a virtuoso on any instrument I lay my hands on! [112] Ouch! You should practice in your dreams more, like I do; I’m a virtuoso on any instrument I lay my hands on!

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104655 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:54:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104655 [112] <i>But basically..dpending on the given piece, a lot of the percussion parts will have “cues” but not necessarily much written instruction..unlike the brass or reeds, for example…? </i> No.. I wasn't clear. Everyone would read off of the same lead sheet. This isn't for a big band setting, I'm talking small group here. A lead sheet contains all the elements needed for each musician to get what they need. Chord changes for the piano, bass, guitar, and any melodic instrument when they get to their solo. The melody is there so that anyone can play it the first and last time through the changes, called "the head". Style and tempo markings are there for the rhythm section. If you're talking about a big band, then obviously they'd have written parts for each instrument. But sometimes they still only have a basic drums/percussion part, with a sample beat, or style written in and slash notation (that's just a way of representing the general feel... like / / / / per measure in common time would mean you feel the quarter note pulse). So I'd say overall, my final answer is: it depends. If it's an afrobeat comp, then they'll prolly have all the rhythms written out. For a basic groove, musicians know how to make them happen. Is it more better clearer? If you're dying to see a lead sheet, I have thousands in pdf. Pick a standard and I'll email you the lead sheet. [112] But basically..dpending on the given piece, a lot of the percussion parts will have “cues” but not necessarily much written instruction..unlike the brass or reeds, for example…?

No.. I wasn’t clear. Everyone would read off of the same lead sheet. This isn’t for a big band setting, I’m talking small group here. A lead sheet contains all the elements needed for each musician to get what they need. Chord changes for the piano, bass, guitar, and any melodic instrument when they get to their solo. The melody is there so that anyone can play it the first and last time through the changes, called “the head”. Style and tempo markings are there for the rhythm section.

If you’re talking about a big band, then obviously they’d have written parts for each instrument. But sometimes they still only have a basic drums/percussion part, with a sample beat, or style written in and slash notation (that’s just a way of representing the general feel… like / / / / per measure in common time would mean you feel the quarter note pulse). So I’d say overall, my final answer is: it depends. If it’s an afrobeat comp, then they’ll prolly have all the rhythms written out. For a basic groove, musicians know how to make them happen.

Is it more better clearer?

If you’re dying to see a lead sheet, I have thousands in pdf. Pick a standard and I’ll email you the lead sheet.

]]> By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104654 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:17:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104654 [111] Hmmm..as someone with Miles Davis level passion for music & Wilson Betemit musical talent level...I'm struggling to understand.. Never seen a "lead sheet" before, for example! But basically..dpending on the given piece, a lot of the percussion parts will have "cues" but not necessarily much written instruction..unlike the brass or reeds, for example...? Thanks! [111] Hmmm..as someone with Miles Davis level passion for music & Wilson Betemit musical talent level…I’m struggling to understand.. Never seen a “lead sheet” before, for example! But basically..dpending on the given piece, a lot of the percussion parts will have “cues” but not necessarily much written instruction..unlike the brass or reeds, for example…?

Thanks!

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104653 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:03:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104653 [109] well, as predicted, I'm not entirely sure. But here's some general things: - Usually at the top of the chart, you'll have a few notes as to the tempo and style. So it might say "salsa, 208". In most club- or casual situations, that's all you'd get -- you just know how to play a basic (and more advanced) salsa beat. The aux percussionists know the tite grooves, also. - <i>how do you express this?</i> well, as a composer, if you're dead-set to certain poly-rhythms, then you better write them out for cats to read. If you're gonna trust the musicianship of the players, then you could write a bar or 2, and then write in "simile"... - As for the specific rhythms that the drummer and percussionists would play, I don't know that they would necessarily be written out. Depends on the importance of certain hits and ques. - On a lead sheet, sometimes you'll find ques written in to show what rhythms are to be played there, or stops. Other charts contain no such ques, and the percussionists would either a) interperet his/her own hits based on the melody, or b) "find" a groove within the section. - I'm a bassist. :) hope this ties you over till thelarmis gets home. [109] well, as predicted, I’m not entirely sure. But here’s some general things:

- Usually at the top of the chart, you’ll have a few notes as to the tempo and style. So it might say “salsa, 208″. In most club- or casual situations, that’s all you’d get — you just know how to play a basic (and more advanced) salsa beat. The aux percussionists know the tite grooves, also.
- how do you express this? well, as a composer, if you’re dead-set to certain poly-rhythms, then you better write them out for cats to read. If you’re gonna trust the musicianship of the players, then you could write a bar or 2, and then write in “simile”…
- As for the specific rhythms that the drummer and percussionists would play, I don’t know that they would necessarily be written out. Depends on the importance of certain hits and ques.
- On a lead sheet, sometimes you’ll find ques written in to show what rhythms are to be played there, or stops. Other charts contain no such ques, and the percussionists would either a) interperet his/her own hits based on the melody, or b) “find” a groove within the section.
- I’m a bassist. :)

hope this ties you over till thelarmis gets home.

]]> By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104652 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO Fri, 30 Apr 2010 05:58:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104652 Holy #$%&, just saw Cano's play on mlb.com...ridiculous! Two taters and the glove work, he's carrying this team! Holy #$%&, just saw Cano’s play on mlb.com…ridiculous! Two taters and the glove work, he’s carrying this team!

]]> By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104651 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO Fri, 30 Apr 2010 05:36:42 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104651 [108] Hey NYYfan22..I was wondering, in most salsa music, there seems to be a lot of "poly-rthyms" swilring around..what is the proper way to express this? And who is "keeping time", the trap-kit drummer or one of the other percussionists? Thanks! [108] Hey NYYfan22..I was wondering, in most salsa music, there seems to be a lot of “poly-rthyms” swilring around..what is the proper way to express this? And who is “keeping time”, the trap-kit drummer or one of the other percussionists? Thanks!

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104650 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 05:11:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104650 [107] I'm a partially trained drummer. Prolly won't know the answer, though. [107] I’m a partially trained drummer. Prolly won’t know the answer, though.

]]> By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104649 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO Fri, 30 Apr 2010 05:07:31 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104649 Love the stoeis above, arigatou gozaimasu! thelarmis, if you're out there..got a drummer Q 4 U.... Love the stoeis above, arigatou gozaimasu!

thelarmis, if you’re out there..got a drummer Q 4 U….

]]> By: kenboyer made me cry http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104648 kenboyer made me cry Fri, 30 Apr 2010 04:00:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104648 [105] It's more than love, it's a way of life, especially in NYC. My dad went to many games as a kid in the Babe and Lou years, and later with Joe D. He always told me that Lou G. was the best player he ever saw, and more feared than the Babe in the clutch. The arc of Gehrig's story is beyond anything Hollywood could ever write, and he personified what it is to be a Yankee. Born and raised in Manhattan (is there any other player in the HOF born in Manhattan?), went to Columbia, lived in Riverdale, spoke to an entire nation about pride and humility when he was dying. Anyway, no matter how the Yankees compete and finish a year, or the ethics of ownership (Steinbrenner is after all a convicted felon) is there any other team that means more to its fans or the history of baseball? [105] It’s more than love, it’s a way of life, especially in NYC. My dad went to many games as a kid in the Babe and Lou years, and later with Joe D. He always told me that Lou G. was the best player he ever saw, and more feared than the Babe in the clutch. The arc of Gehrig’s story is beyond anything Hollywood could ever write, and he personified what it is to be a Yankee. Born and raised in Manhattan (is there any other player in the HOF born in Manhattan?), went to Columbia, lived in Riverdale, spoke to an entire nation about pride and humility when he was dying. Anyway, no matter how the Yankees compete and finish a year, or the ethics of ownership (Steinbrenner is after all a convicted felon) is there any other team that means more to its fans or the history of baseball?

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104647 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:46:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104647 [104] well put, OYF. That's pretty cool that you were there. REALLY cool. My Nanny used to tell me about how her dad would take her and my great uncle to Yankee Staduim in the 20s. THE 20s! She remembered Babe Ruth and all the hype, but her favorite hitter was Lou. And in the 90s, her favorite was always Bernie Williams. That'd blow my mind that <i>she saw Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig at Yankee Stadium!</i> goddamn, what a cool game it is we love. [104] well put, OYF. That’s pretty cool that you were there. REALLY cool. My Nanny used to tell me about how her dad would take her and my great uncle to Yankee Staduim in the 20s. THE 20s! She remembered Babe Ruth and all the hype, but her favorite hitter was Lou. And in the 90s, her favorite was always Bernie Williams. That’d blow my mind that she saw Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig at Yankee Stadium! goddamn, what a cool game it is we love.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104646 OldYanksFan Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:31:42 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104646 [99] I wish. It didn't really sink in for a while, what a historic event I saw. I do remember the standing ovation. My buddy timed it at just under 10 minutes. Some people were in tears. The earlier post was on the greatest Yankee. It may have been Ruth, but Mickey was so loved, such an Icon, he might be #1. Obviously his stats aren't the best, but in terms of raw potential, I think most baseball people will tell you that Young Mantle was the greatest talent they had ever seen. And even with 'Ball Four', and the drinking and womanizing revealed later after his career, I don;t think anyone loved him any less. My favorite quotes: "On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox "No man in the history of baseball had as much power as Mickey Mantle. No man. You're not talking about ordinary power. Dave Kingman has power. Willie Mays had power. Then when you're talking about Mickey Mantle - it's an altogether different level. Separates the men from the boys." - New York Yankees Manager Billy Martin "If that guy were healthy, he'd hit eighty home runs." - Carl Yastrzemski "He should lead the league in everything. With his combination of speed and power he should win the triple batting crown every year. In fact, he should do anything he wants to do." - Casey Stengel [99] I wish. It didn’t really sink in for a while, what a historic event I saw. I do remember the standing ovation. My buddy timed it at just under 10 minutes. Some people were in tears.

The earlier post was on the greatest Yankee. It may have been Ruth, but Mickey was so loved, such an Icon, he might be #1. Obviously his stats aren’t the best, but in terms of raw potential, I think most baseball people will tell you that Young Mantle was the greatest talent they had ever seen.

And even with ‘Ball Four’, and the drinking and womanizing revealed later after his career, I don;t think anyone loved him any less.

My favorite quotes:
“On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived.” – Nellie Fox

“No man in the history of baseball had as much power as Mickey Mantle. No man. You’re not talking about ordinary power. Dave Kingman has power. Willie Mays had power. Then when you’re talking about Mickey Mantle – it’s an altogether different level. Separates the men from the boys.” – New York Yankees Manager Billy Martin

“If that guy were healthy, he’d hit eighty home runs.” – Carl Yastrzemski

“He should lead the league in everything. With his combination of speed and power he should win the triple batting crown every year. In fact, he should do anything he wants to do.” – Casey Stengel

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104645 thelarmis Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:25:08 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104645 [102] that makes more sense. i don't know all of dan's pieces, but that didn't sound familiar. yeah, he learned Sibelius 6. i personally, like Sibelius' 5th in Eb Major. ; ) yup, i'm a nittany lion. penn state proud!!! all the way, baby! : ) [102] that makes more sense. i don’t know all of dan’s pieces, but that didn’t sound familiar. yeah, he learned Sibelius 6. i personally, like Sibelius’ 5th in Eb Major. ; )

yup, i’m a nittany lion. penn state proud!!! all the way, baby! : )

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104644 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:20:19 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104644 [100] whoops.. I forgot you're a Nittany Lion. shite.. I was referring to Jack Stamp from IUP. But anyways, we've talked about him before. haha Is it Sibelius he's learned? I'm about to buy that. I've been hearing great things about it. [100] whoops.. I forgot you’re a Nittany Lion. shite.. I was referring to Jack Stamp from IUP. But anyways, we’ve talked about him before. haha

Is it Sibelius he’s learned? I’m about to buy that. I’ve been hearing great things about it.

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104643 thelarmis Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:19:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104643 [99] btw, dan's a baseball fan. he's from texas, so if he had a team, it'd be the 'Stros. i might see them at The Ted on Sunday. davin pinto - i think that's his name - the sabr homerun dude. he's actually a mallet player / classical percussionist! [99] btw, dan’s a baseball fan. he’s from texas, so if he had a team, it’d be the ‘Stros. i might see them at The Ted on Sunday.

davin pinto – i think that’s his name – the sabr homerun dude. he’s actually a mallet player / classical percussionist!

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104642 thelarmis Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:17:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104642 [97] holy hell, that's sooo cool! dan and i emailed earlier this week. i might see him in 2 months. he took a sabbatical this year and learned a music notation program for the computer. he's been spewing out mallet ensemble charts like there's no tomorrow. [97] holy hell, that’s sooo cool! dan and i emailed earlier this week. i might see him in 2 months. he took a sabbatical this year and learned a music notation program for the computer. he’s been spewing out mallet ensemble charts like there’s no tomorrow.

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104641 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:16:14 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104641 [96] that's amazing, OYF. I'm in awe. Do you have a program or at least the ticket still? [96] that’s amazing, OYF. I’m in awe. Do you have a program or at least the ticket still?

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104640 thelarmis Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:15:13 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104640 holy crap, tampon's offense is on fire. they've already put up 11 and have 2 men on... holy crap, tampon’s offense is on fire. they’ve already put up 11 and have 2 men on…

]]> By: NYYfan22 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104639 NYYfan22 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:14:27 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104639 hehe.. yo man - check out [51] hehe.. yo man – check out [51]

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104638 OldYanksFan Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:13:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104638 [94] Hmmmm... if I remember.... bottom tier, RF, about 2/3rds of the way between 1B and the foul pole, about 2/3rds of the way up from the field. If was an amazing fluke, as I was going to private school in Darien Conn. at the time (8th grade). [94] Hmmmm… if I remember…. bottom tier, RF, about 2/3rds of the way between 1B and the foul pole, about 2/3rds of the way up from the field. If was an amazing fluke, as I was going to private school in Darien Conn. at the time (8th grade).

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/04/29/this-that-and-the-thoid/#comment-104637 thelarmis Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:13:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=32824#comment-104637 [94] on my drum throne at my studio. that's why i missed the game. oh, you meant OYF. my bad! ; ) [94] on my drum throne at my studio. that’s why i missed the game.

oh, you meant OYF. my bad! ; )

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