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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/08/whadda-ya-got-on-draft/#comment-116543</link>
		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;From today&#039;s chat over at ESPN:&lt;/b&gt;

What was the reason behind the Yankees taking Cito Culver with their first round pick?

Klaw: &lt;i&gt;They loved his makeup, knew the kid inside and out, scouted him extremely heavily, and felt that he&#039;s a switch-hitting shortstop with a plus arm and a chance for average or slightly above-average power. I don&#039;t quite share that optimism, based not so much on my own notes from seeing him last summer but more on what other teams are telling me.&lt;/i&gt;


I&#039;m starting to come around on Culver after buying some spin. Is there something to be said for the Yankees knowing this kid better than other teams&#039; scouts because of his location? I don&#039;t know what to think of this.

Klaw:&lt;i&gt;Just following up - I have never liked the take-the-local-kid philosophy. That&#039;s how the Pirates ended up with Neil Walker. Sometimes it works, and if you&#039;re the Angels or Braves the local kid is often pretty good, but that can&#039;t be your primary rationale for taking a player if you&#039;re north of the Mason-Dixon line.&lt;/i&gt;


Aren&#039;t the &quot;other teams&quot; talking you about Culver somewhat biased? I think you&#039;re better off sticking with your own notes.

Klaw:&lt;i&gt;Biased by what? This includes all the area scouts up here who told me this spring not to burn a trip to see Culver again.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>From today&#8217;s chat over at ESPN:</b></p>
<p>What was the reason behind the Yankees taking Cito Culver with their first round pick?</p>
<p>Klaw: <i>They loved his makeup, knew the kid inside and out, scouted him extremely heavily, and felt that he&#8217;s a switch-hitting shortstop with a plus arm and a chance for average or slightly above-average power. I don&#8217;t quite share that optimism, based not so much on my own notes from seeing him last summer but more on what other teams are telling me.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to come around on Culver after buying some spin. Is there something to be said for the Yankees knowing this kid better than other teams&#8217; scouts because of his location? I don&#8217;t know what to think of this.</p>
<p>Klaw:<i>Just following up &#8211; I have never liked the take-the-local-kid philosophy. That&#8217;s how the Pirates ended up with Neil Walker. Sometimes it works, and if you&#8217;re the Angels or Braves the local kid is often pretty good, but that can&#8217;t be your primary rationale for taking a player if you&#8217;re north of the Mason-Dixon line.</i></p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t the &#8220;other teams&#8221; talking you about Culver somewhat biased? I think you&#8217;re better off sticking with your own notes.</p>
<p>Klaw:<i>Biased by what? This includes all the area scouts up here who told me this spring not to burn a trip to see Culver again.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn.  The sun rises in the east, 1+1=2 (except in the world of infinitesimal mathematics, of course), and Steve Lombardi is critical of Brian Cashman.

This kid is 17 and hasn&#039;t played a day of pro baseball (yet).  Howza &#039;bout we give him 3 or 4 years and see what happens?  All that said, KG at BP was honest that he knew nothing about the guy, Mike A. gave some interesting information, and I haven&#039;t read KLaw&#039;s take yet.  I think its a wee bit early to be concerned - and easy to forget that even the most knowledgeable of the draft pundits don&#039;t know everything either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn.  The sun rises in the east, 1+1=2 (except in the world of infinitesimal mathematics, of course), and Steve Lombardi is critical of Brian Cashman.</p>
<p>This kid is 17 and hasn&#8217;t played a day of pro baseball (yet).  Howza &#8217;bout we give him 3 or 4 years and see what happens?  All that said, KG at BP was honest that he knew nothing about the guy, Mike A. gave some interesting information, and I haven&#8217;t read KLaw&#8217;s take yet.  I think its a wee bit early to be concerned &#8211; and easy to forget that even the most knowledgeable of the draft pundits don&#8217;t know everything either!</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennings is posting on Oppie&#039;s interview re: Cito.  Here&#039;s some info I&#039;ve found reassuring:

&lt;b&gt;UPDATE, 11:38 p.m.: On the idea of waiting for him to fall into the second round: “The thought crossed my mind and I’m glad I didn’t, because after we did pick him I got a call from one of our competitors who’s very successful, saying he would not have gotten to us.”&lt;/B&gt;

via LoHud, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennings is posting on Oppie&#8217;s interview re: Cito.  Here&#8217;s some info I&#8217;ve found reassuring:</p>
<p><b>UPDATE, 11:38 p.m.: On the idea of waiting for him to fall into the second round: “The thought crossed my mind and I’m glad I didn’t, because after we did pick him I got a call from one of our competitors who’s very successful, saying he would not have gotten to us.”</b></p>
<p>via LoHud, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[20] I would too, but then again, I said *today*, where there are 29 rounds on tap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[20] I would too, but then again, I said *today*, where there are 29 rounds on tap.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18] Also, I&#039;d be surprised if a scouting director hasn&#039;t personally seen the player he is intending to pick in the first round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18] Also, I&#8217;d be surprised if a scouting director hasn&#8217;t personally seen the player he is intending to pick in the first round.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18] The difference is a team&#039;s scouting director knows his scouts very well and they both share the same motivation. Someone like Goldstein, however, probably has more of a second hand relationship with his sources, and could be prone to some misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18] The difference is a team&#8217;s scouting director knows his scouts very well and they both share the same motivation. Someone like Goldstein, however, probably has more of a second hand relationship with his sources, and could be prone to some misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[13] But scouting *is* often aggregation. A whole bunch of picks made by scouting directors today won&#039;t have been seen by them in person, but rather by regional scouts and cross checkers, each of whom will (potentially) have a different take on a player&#039;s tools and potential. Acting in that situation requires a consideration of each scout&#039;s take and an analysis of the level of trust placed in each scout&#039;s opinion aggregated into a higher level of consideration.

[12] I was really just making a joke about Gammons, who has a wee bit of a blind spot when it comes to Red Sox prospects ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[13] But scouting *is* often aggregation. A whole bunch of picks made by scouting directors today won&#8217;t have been seen by them in person, but rather by regional scouts and cross checkers, each of whom will (potentially) have a different take on a player&#8217;s tools and potential. Acting in that situation requires a consideration of each scout&#8217;s take and an analysis of the level of trust placed in each scout&#8217;s opinion aggregated into a higher level of consideration.</p>
<p>[12] I was really just making a joke about Gammons, who has a wee bit of a blind spot when it comes to Red Sox prospects &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[15] I still don&#039;t like the term in that context because it assumes what other teams do and do not know, and also ignores that the Yankees had 50 selections between their first and second round picks. Calling the pick an overdraft implies you can project the first 82 picks in the draft. If someone really thinks they can do that, god bless.

[16] Why is it pretty damning? Klaw has admitted to knowing very little about him and the BA list is really an aggregation. I’d like to think the Yankees do their own scouting and don’t pick off the lists of third-party sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[15] I still don&#8217;t like the term in that context because it assumes what other teams do and do not know, and also ignores that the Yankees had 50 selections between their first and second round picks. Calling the pick an overdraft implies you can project the first 82 picks in the draft. If someone really thinks they can do that, god bless.</p>
<p>[16] Why is it pretty damning? Klaw has admitted to knowing very little about him and the BA list is really an aggregation. I’d like to think the Yankees do their own scouting and don’t pick off the lists of third-party sources.</p>
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		<title>By: ny2ca2dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ny2ca2dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAB pointed out that Culver was about #168 on BA&#039;s list, and not on KLaw&#039;s top-100.  That&#039;s pretty damning in my book.

The fantastic 2006 draft looks more and more like an outlier every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAB pointed out that Culver was about #168 on BA&#8217;s list, and not on KLaw&#8217;s top-100.  That&#8217;s pretty damning in my book.</p>
<p>The fantastic 2006 draft looks more and more like an outlier every year.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[13] I think the &quot;overdraft&quot; part comes from Culver being off the radar.  At any rate, I&#039;m not too worried, as the Yanks have done well in other aspects of player acquisition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[13] I think the &#8220;overdraft&#8221; part comes from Culver being off the radar.  At any rate, I&#8217;m not too worried, as the Yanks have done well in other aspects of player acquisition.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any case ... today is a great day of baseball.

2nd day of the draft starts at noon.

Hughes pitches tonite.

Strasburg debuts tonite.

Stanton debuts tonite.

Gonna be a lot of switching around on MLB.tv today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case &#8230; today is a great day of baseball.</p>
<p>2nd day of the draft starts at noon.</p>
<p>Hughes pitches tonite.</p>
<p>Strasburg debuts tonite.</p>
<p>Stanton debuts tonite.</p>
<p>Gonna be a lot of switching around on MLB.tv today!</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[11] Goldstein does have a worthwhile perspective, but I put more stock in those who have actually seen the players because an aggregator is at the mercy of his sources, who often have their own agendas.

It is odd to call the pick an overdraft and then say you need to talk to those who have seen him play. Sounds like putting the cart before the horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[11] Goldstein does have a worthwhile perspective, but I put more stock in those who have actually seen the players because an aggregator is at the mercy of his sources, who often have their own agendas.</p>
<p>It is odd to call the pick an overdraft and then say you need to talk to those who have seen him play. Sounds like putting the cart before the horse.</p>
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		<title>By: mehmattski</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[7] My mistake. I didn&#039;t scroll down past his minor league hitting stats. I guess he&#039;s doing okay as a full-time pitcher.

[9] My 1992 Derek Jeter rookie card points out that back then, the Cap was clocked at 88 mph across the diamond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[7] My mistake. I didn&#8217;t scroll down past his minor league hitting stats. I guess he&#8217;s doing okay as a full-time pitcher.</p>
<p>[9] My 1992 Derek Jeter rookie card points out that back then, the Cap was clocked at 88 mph across the diamond.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6] Well, to be fair, I&#039;ll also consider the opinion of someone like Goldstein over at BP, who is an aggregator of scouting opinion (in most) cases rather than someone who directly scouts players. He thought that the pick was an overdraft but also stated he would need to contact scouts who had seen Culver play before being able to say anything much more than that.

In this case, Culver is far enough off the normal path that many of the national guys won&#039;t have seen him play in person, they&#039;ll be going off tape. Obviously, that&#039;s not the case for the Yankees.

In any case, the draft didn&#039;t end with pick #50 but rather round #50 and even then, there&#039;s still the International portion to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[6] Well, to be fair, I&#8217;ll also consider the opinion of someone like Goldstein over at BP, who is an aggregator of scouting opinion (in most) cases rather than someone who directly scouts players. He thought that the pick was an overdraft but also stated he would need to contact scouts who had seen Culver play before being able to say anything much more than that.</p>
<p>In this case, Culver is far enough off the normal path that many of the national guys won&#8217;t have seen him play in person, they&#8217;ll be going off tape. Obviously, that&#8217;s not the case for the Yankees.</p>
<p>In any case, the draft didn&#8217;t end with pick #50 but rather round #50 and even then, there&#8217;s still the International portion to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[9] He already is a pitcher. The Yankees like him as a short stop, and they should know as they have been watching him closely for well over a year. Considering how much they know about him, and how little everyone else does, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[9] He already is a pitcher. The Yankees like him as a short stop, and they should know as they have been watching him closely for well over a year. Considering how much they know about him, and how little everyone else does, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throwing arm?  Any chance of converting him to a pitcher?  Or is his glove/bat too good to take out?

He&#039;s what, 17, 18?  give him about 5 years in the minors and then let him be Jeter&#039;s replacement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throwing arm?  Any chance of converting him to a pitcher?  Or is his glove/bat too good to take out?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s what, 17, 18?  give him about 5 years in the minors and then let him be Jeter&#8217;s replacement.</p>
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		<title>By: RagingTartabull</title>
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		<dc:creator>RagingTartabull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can we please talk about Harper? Because I&#039;m going on record as saying I&#039;m not sold yet...yeah, I said it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can we please talk about Harper? Because I&#8217;m going on record as saying I&#8217;m not sold yet&#8230;yeah, I said it.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4] Casey Kelly a question mark? You sir, obviously weren&#039;t watching Gammo last night!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] Casey Kelly a question mark? You sir, obviously weren&#8217;t watching Gammo last night!</p>
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		<title>By: williamnyy23</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamnyy23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least in the NFL a fan has the chance to see some of the players almost every week. Also, scouting in the NFL seems to be more dependent on physical attributes, which are easier to judge from a far. In addition, most of the drafted players in the NFL are of similar age, so that variable isn&#039;t as much of a factor.

I can accept criticism from someone who has actually seen these kids play, but it seems silly to critique the draft from behind a keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least in the NFL a fan has the chance to see some of the players almost every week. Also, scouting in the NFL seems to be more dependent on physical attributes, which are easier to judge from a far. In addition, most of the drafted players in the NFL are of similar age, so that variable isn&#8217;t as much of a factor.</p>
<p>I can accept criticism from someone who has actually seen these kids play, but it seems silly to critique the draft from behind a keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: cult of basebaal</title>
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		<dc:creator>cult of basebaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] Axisa hasn&#039;t seen Culver play and he was quick to point that out, overall, his comments were pretty sanguine and balanced.

Lombardi on the other hand, shows once again he&#039;s a reactionary asshat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] Axisa hasn&#8217;t seen Culver play and he was quick to point that out, overall, his comments were pretty sanguine and balanced.</p>
<p>Lombardi on the other hand, shows once again he&#8217;s a reactionary asshat.</p>
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