Comments on: The Long View http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Fri, 24 May 2013 00:42:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121442 RIYank Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:59:21 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121442 Oh, right, I remember that! No, Diane, not the IRA. that's <i>soldier</i>, not <i>shoulder</i>. Oh, right, I remember that!

No, Diane, not the IRA. that’s soldier, not shoulder.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121441 Diane Firstman Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:24:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121441 [28] So now his ERA is higher than his Shoulder IRA? [28]

So now his ERA is higher than his Shoulder IRA?

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121440 ms october Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:08:35 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121440 [26] a few off-seasons ago there was this wonderful article about daisuke in which he complained about the red sox training program and said he used up his shoulder savings from japan. [26] a few off-seasons ago there was this wonderful article about daisuke in which he complained about the red sox training program and said he used up his shoulder savings from japan.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121439 RIYank Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:52:09 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121439 Probably. What are shoulder savings? Probably. What are shoulder savings?

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121438 ms october Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:49:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121438 [25] does he have shoulder savings or bad knees? [25] does he have shoulder savings or bad knees?

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121437 RIYank Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:22:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121437 The Japanese soccer team has a player named "Daisuke Matsui". Disconcerting. The Japanese soccer team has a player named “Daisuke Matsui”.

Disconcerting.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121436 Diane Firstman Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:12:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121436 [23] Heh ... that's one section over from where my seats were! LOL [23]

Heh … that’s one section over from where my seats were! LOL

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121435 RIYank Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:10:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121435 Diane, you could always buy these: http://riveraveblues.com/2010/06/tickets-available-for-tonights-game-3-31034/ Diane, you could always buy these:

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/06/tickets-available-for-tonights-game-3-31034/

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121434 Jon DeRosa Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:02:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121434 [21] That's a great read on the M's trade demands, I think. As for Lee's 19/1 K/BB ration in 2010, yeah, that seems like a fluke. As for Lee shutting everyone down, inclding the World Champion Yanks, in the 2009 postseason, I didn't get the sense that was a fluke. [21] That’s a great read on the M’s trade demands, I think.

As for Lee’s 19/1 K/BB ration in 2010, yeah, that seems like a fluke. As for Lee shutting everyone down, inclding the World Champion Yanks, in the 2009 postseason, I didn’t get the sense that was a fluke.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121433 Shaun P. Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:56:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121433 Jack Z of the M's would probably want someone nearly ready to help (and that means Montero or Romine), and at least two very high ceiling kids: probably from the pitching side of the ledger. I'm not sure if Noesi fills that bill, but I'd bet someone like Manny Banuelos does. My own feeling is that the Yanks should pass on a trade. As for free agency, he's worth signing ONLY if the M's don't offer him arbitration. Next year's draft class is overflowing with talent (supposedly), and the Yanks really don't need to give up a 1st round pick again. Of course if Vazquez is a Type A free agent and the Yanks get a couple of picks from losing him to free agency . . . consider my previous 2 sentences moot. A CC-Lee-Hughes-AJ-Joba rotation would be very nice indeed. Part of me wonders if Lee is worth it, though. His insane level of control this year (still just 4 walks IIRC) is almost certainly a fluke, and it wasn't too long ago (2007) that he was completely lost. If you look at 2008-2010 as his peak (and it may not be!), I wonder if whoever gets Lee is going to be overpaying for that peak and not getting quite as much performance. This is not someone like Moose, who had almost a decade of rockstar pitching behind him when he became a free agent. Caveat Lee-mptor. Jack Z of the M’s would probably want someone nearly ready to help (and that means Montero or Romine), and at least two very high ceiling kids: probably from the pitching side of the ledger. I’m not sure if Noesi fills that bill, but I’d bet someone like Manny Banuelos does.

My own feeling is that the Yanks should pass on a trade. As for free agency, he’s worth signing ONLY if the M’s don’t offer him arbitration. Next year’s draft class is overflowing with talent (supposedly), and the Yanks really don’t need to give up a 1st round pick again.

Of course if Vazquez is a Type A free agent and the Yanks get a couple of picks from losing him to free agency . . . consider my previous 2 sentences moot.

A CC-Lee-Hughes-AJ-Joba rotation would be very nice indeed.

Part of me wonders if Lee is worth it, though. His insane level of control this year (still just 4 walks IIRC) is almost certainly a fluke, and it wasn’t too long ago (2007) that he was completely lost. If you look at 2008-2010 as his peak (and it may not be!), I wonder if whoever gets Lee is going to be overpaying for that peak and not getting quite as much performance.

This is not someone like Moose, who had almost a decade of rockstar pitching behind him when he became a free agent. Caveat Lee-mptor.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121432 Raf Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:56:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121432 [13] I suspect the Yankees will have to part with either Romine or Montero to start. They may take Joba, but given that he'll be arbitration eligible soon, I'd doubt it. [14] So instead of Ponson, they have Mitre & Gaudin. Yanks and other teams always have these types of guys on hand if not for ML depth, for MiL depth. Of course it should be mentioned that there are other guys on the farm that can step in for a start or three. [13] I suspect the Yankees will have to part with either Romine or Montero to start. They may take Joba, but given that he’ll be arbitration eligible soon, I’d doubt it.

[14] So instead of Ponson, they have Mitre & Gaudin. Yanks and other teams always have these types of guys on hand if not for ML depth, for MiL depth. Of course it should be mentioned that there are other guys on the farm that can step in for a start or three.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121431 Jon DeRosa Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:44:42 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121431 [16] Absolutely not Gardner. And yes, that's a complete reversal from my pre-season feelings. He's that important to this team. [16] Absolutely not Gardner. And yes, that’s a complete reversal from my pre-season feelings. He’s that important to this team.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121430 Diane Firstman Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:40:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121430 [16] They definitely have a need for power, so I'd have no problem dealing Miranda (as an example). [16]

They definitely have a need for power, so I’d have no problem dealing Miranda (as an example).

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121429 Jon DeRosa Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:39:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121429 a 2011 rotation of cc, lee, hughes, aj and joba seems unthinkable now, right? a 2011 rotation of cc, lee, hughes, aj and joba seems unthinkable now, right?

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121428 RIYank Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:38:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121428 [13] Not Romine, definitely. And the problem with trading Gardner is that we'd be short an outfielder. [13] Not Romine, definitely. And the problem with trading Gardner is that we’d be short an outfielder.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121427 Jon DeRosa Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:34:50 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121427 [13] Lee has been traded twice recently, and neither of those deals contained MLB contributors. Maybe the Ms will try to extract more than the indians and phils were able to get. In the end, the m's will want more value than the draft picks they're going to get but probably the centerpiece would be one great prospect and a couple of decent prospects. [13] Lee has been traded twice recently, and neither of those deals contained MLB contributors. Maybe the Ms will try to extract more than the indians and phils were able to get.

In the end, the m’s will want more value than the draft picks they’re going to get but probably the centerpiece would be one great prospect and a couple of decent prospects.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121426 Diane Firstman Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:33:08 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121426 [12] The Yanks of the late aughts have tried to NOT have flotsam and jetsam as their 4/5 pitchers. They've seen enough of Ponson and the like. One would expect the 2011 version of the Sox to be better (healthier) and that the Rays will be as strong (if not stronger, given their minor league depth). If that's the case, the Yanks can't afford to go into 2011 with CC, Hughes, Lee and 2 question marks. [12]

The Yanks of the late aughts have tried to NOT have flotsam and jetsam as their 4/5 pitchers. They’ve seen enough of Ponson and the like.

One would expect the 2011 version of the Sox to be better (healthier) and that the Rays will be as strong (if not stronger, given their minor league depth). If that’s the case, the Yanks can’t afford to go into 2011 with CC, Hughes, Lee and 2 question marks.

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121425 Diane Firstman Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:30:02 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121425 Who would you be willing (and who would the M's want) to get Lee THIS season? Joba? Romine? Gardner? Who would you be willing (and who would the M’s want) to get Lee THIS season?

Joba?
Romine?
Gardner?

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121424 Raf Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:28:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121424 [7] I don't think Burnett's contract will be a hinderance. If anything, with the contract situation of Pettitte and Vazquez, it's possibile that the Yanks could go after Lee and let ML flotsam and jetsam round out the rotation. [7] I don’t think Burnett’s contract will be a hinderance. If anything, with the contract situation of Pettitte and Vazquez, it’s possibile that the Yanks could go after Lee and let ML flotsam and jetsam round out the rotation.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/06/29/the-long-view/#comment-121423 Jon DeRosa Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:22:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=36826#comment-121423 [10] Sure we can debate the terms and shorter will be better. But this is his 3rd consecuative year as best left handed pitcher in baseball. I like the chances of him keeping that up. [10] Sure we can debate the terms and shorter will be better. But this is his 3rd consecuative year as best left handed pitcher in baseball. I like the chances of him keeping that up.

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