Comments on: Friend or Foe, eh, State Your Business http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123402 Raf Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:01:02 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123402 [108] probably should proofread before I hit submit :p [108] probably should proofread before I hit submit :p

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123401 Raf Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:00:28 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123401 [96] They had a deep pool of offensive talent, injuries was the reason Cairo started so many games @ 1b was injuries, IIRC [96] They had a deep pool of offensive talent, injuries was the reason Cairo started so many games @ 1b was injuries, IIRC

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123400 Alex Belth Fri, 09 Jul 2010 19:50:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123400 New Cliff Lee thread above...looks like it ain't happening... New Cliff Lee thread above…looks like it ain’t happening…

]]> By: seamus http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123399 seamus Fri, 09 Jul 2010 19:33:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123399 [104] it's hard to say if that's an actual progression or just different sources with differing perspectives. [104] it’s hard to say if that’s an actual progression or just different sources with differing perspectives.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123398 Sliced Bread Fri, 09 Jul 2010 19:31:02 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123398 great writeup on the potential trade from the M's perspective at www.ussmariner.com as one of the commenters points out, another benefit of getting Lee now is they don't lose the draft pick they'd surrender if they signed him as a Mariner free agent. Montero is a lot to give up, but Cliff Lee is huge. I hope this happens. great writeup on the potential trade from the M’s perspective at http://www.ussmariner.com

as one of the commenters points out, another benefit of getting Lee now is they don’t lose the draft pick they’d surrender if they signed him as a Mariner free agent.

Montero is a lot to give up, but Cliff Lee is huge. I hope this happens.

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123397 monkeypants Fri, 09 Jul 2010 19:04:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123397 From imminent to likely to take it or leave it mode. <blockquote>1:27pm: The Yankees have offered Montero, Adams and a third prospect, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (Twitter link). It's now up to the Mariners to accept or decline the offer. </blockquote> From imminent to likely to take it or leave it mode.

1:27pm: The Yankees have offered Montero, Adams and a third prospect, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (Twitter link). It’s now up to the Mariners to accept or decline the offer.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123396 Chyll Will Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:30:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123396 [101] My point exactly. It makes no sense to me why he would suddenly change his way of thinking for a short term solution with no guarantee that it can be long term and at such a cost in the meantime. What would force him to change his mind? Is he actually not confident about signing him long term off-season; then why take such a high risk in the meantime? It just doesn't make sense, unless (and it's quite possible) there is something wrong enough with Montero that hasn't been disclosed that he can't be an option for them (attitude, aptitude with other positions?) [101] My point exactly. It makes no sense to me why he would suddenly change his way of thinking for a short term solution with no guarantee that it can be long term and at such a cost in the meantime. What would force him to change his mind? Is he actually not confident about signing him long term off-season; then why take such a high risk in the meantime? It just doesn’t make sense, unless (and it’s quite possible) there is something wrong enough with Montero that hasn’t been disclosed that he can’t be an option for them (attitude, aptitude with other positions?)

]]> By: Diane Firstman http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123395 Diane Firstman Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:30:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123395 OK ... seeing those revenue figures .... one might ask.... have the Yanks maxed out their revenue base, and if so, how much profit are they making each year, IN SPITE OF the luxury tax. OK … seeing those revenue figures …. one might ask…. have the Yanks maxed out their revenue base, and if so, how much profit are they making each year, IN SPITE OF the luxury tax.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123394 cult of basebaal Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:22:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123394 [99] I'm not sure what that would be. The team is in 1st place, we just won the World Series, the team is rolling in money, I'm not exactly sure what more could be asked of Cashman. Win the Superbowl? [99] I’m not sure what that would be.

The team is in 1st place, we just won the World Series, the team is rolling in money, I’m not exactly sure what more could be asked of Cashman.

Win the Superbowl?

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123393 Sliced Bread Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:21:05 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123393 [95] It was something they nipped in the bud, not habitual dogging. [95] It was something they nipped in the bud, not habitual dogging.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123392 Chyll Will Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:16:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123392 This trade is sounding more and more ridiculous by the minute; it totally flies in the face of Cashman's M.O. and involves so many what ifs I have to wonder if Cash is under some sort of duress... This trade is sounding more and more ridiculous by the minute; it totally flies in the face of Cashman’s M.O. and involves so many what ifs I have to wonder if Cash is under some sort of duress…

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123391 Shaun P. Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:16:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123391 [90] [91] I'm not worried about losing McAllister much. He's a nice pitcher, but he's primarily a groundball pitcher with a not-very-high K-rate. That will play just fine in Safeco - and I still don't think this deal happens. In any case, with Phelps, Noesi, and Nova in AAA, and the guys coming behind them in Tampa and Trenton, losing McAllister wouldn't be a big deal to me. Adams would be a small loss, because he was hitting nicely before he got hurt, but Curtis Joseph's continued development at Tampa would mitigate that somewhat. Montero would be the real loss, because (here's a point not yet mentioned) - he's the ONLY bona fide big time big league bat the Yanks have in the farm system. Folks can say that the Yanks have plenty of catching prospects, and they do - but they don't have plenty of hitting prospects. Jesus is the only one. [90] [91] I’m not worried about losing McAllister much. He’s a nice pitcher, but he’s primarily a groundball pitcher with a not-very-high K-rate. That will play just fine in Safeco – and I still don’t think this deal happens.

In any case, with Phelps, Noesi, and Nova in AAA, and the guys coming behind them in Tampa and Trenton, losing McAllister wouldn’t be a big deal to me.

Adams would be a small loss, because he was hitting nicely before he got hurt, but Curtis Joseph’s continued development at Tampa would mitigate that somewhat.

Montero would be the real loss, because (here’s a point not yet mentioned) – he’s the ONLY bona fide big time big league bat the Yanks have in the farm system. Folks can say that the Yanks have plenty of catching prospects, and they do – but they don’t have plenty of hitting prospects. Jesus is the only one.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123390 cult of basebaal Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:12:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123390 Ugh. I wake up to THIS??? WIll the "Curse of Nick Johnson" ever end??? Ugh.

I wake up to THIS???

WIll the “Curse of Nick Johnson” ever end???

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123389 monkeypants Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:12:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123389 94) I doubt that either jeter or Arod see any time at first, at least for years. The Yankees have show a strong tendency to keep aging star players at their positions well past expiration date. If anything, jeter will be gone or, possible, would agree to move to the OF (I doubt this happens). As for Arod, and jetted if he sticks around longer, they will clog up DH instead. But in any case, it Is a poor strategy in my opinion to plan on using 1b or DH as a rest home for aging players. That leads to things like Miguel Cairo starting way too many games. Rather, they should focus on having a deep pool of offensive talent. The rest will sort itself out with injuries, performance, etc. 94) I doubt that either jeter or Arod see any time at first, at least for years. The Yankees have show a strong tendency to keep aging star players at their positions well past expiration date. If anything, jeter will be gone or, possible, would agree to move to the OF (I doubt this happens). As for Arod, and jetted if he sticks around longer, they will clog up DH instead.

But in any case, it Is a poor strategy in my opinion to plan on using 1b or DH as a rest home for aging players. That leads to things like Miguel Cairo starting way too many games. Rather, they should focus on having a deep pool of offensive talent. The rest will sort itself out with injuries, performance, etc.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123388 Chyll Will Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:11:14 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123388 [82] Didn't we have that same thought about Tabata when we moved him? Only with Tabata it had become a habit. I don't see where Montero has a habit of dogging it; maybe it was nipped in the bud before it could start. But say that it has become a habit; I would be far more alarmed that the organization is letting it's best prospects develop badly and that would have to be addressed at the source before you give up on or agree to let go of any more prospects. [82] Didn’t we have that same thought about Tabata when we moved him? Only with Tabata it had become a habit. I don’t see where Montero has a habit of dogging it; maybe it was nipped in the bud before it could start. But say that it has become a habit; I would be far more alarmed that the organization is letting it’s best prospects develop badly and that would have to be addressed at the source before you give up on or agree to let go of any more prospects.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123387 Raf Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:04:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123387 [89] If not Teix, Jeter and Rodriguez will probably see time at 1b. If not someone already on the roster, I would say finding someone to play 1b is just about as easy as finding someone to play the OF. I'm skeptical of the deal as well, just for the package for what amounts to be a 1/2 season rental. Seems excessive, even for the Yanks. [89] If not Teix, Jeter and Rodriguez will probably see time at 1b. If not someone already on the roster, I would say finding someone to play 1b is just about as easy as finding someone to play the OF.

I’m skeptical of the deal as well, just for the package for what amounts to be a 1/2 season rental. Seems excessive, even for the Yanks.

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123386 Raf Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:00:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123386 [88] It could be that Jack Z is still working the phones, it could be that both sides are working out minor details, it could be that there are other, smaller, trades that are being lined up that are contingent on this one. [88] It could be that Jack Z is still working the phones, it could be that both sides are working out minor details, it could be that there are other, smaller, trades that are being lined up that are contingent on this one.

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123385 monkeypants Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:58:08 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123385 90,91) yes, but notice also that the deal has gone from imminent to likely. Hmmm...I'm still skeptical. <blockquote> 12:44pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that 22-year-old righty Zach McAllister will likely head to the Mariners in the trade (Twitter link).  12:12pm: The sides have some things to work through, but a deal remains 'likely' according to a source who spoke to Jon Heyman of SI.com. Heyman says the Mariners may or may not acquire Adams (Twitter links).</blockquote>  90,91) yes, but notice also that the deal has gone from imminent to likely. Hmmm…I’m still skeptical.

12:44pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that 22-year-old righty Zach McAllister will likely head to the Mariners in the trade (Twitter link). 

12:12pm: The sides have some things to work through, but a deal remains ‘likely’ according to a source who spoke to Jon Heyman of SI.com. Heyman says the Mariners may or may not acquire Adams (Twitter links).

 

]]> By: ny2ca2dc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123384 ny2ca2dc Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:53:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123384 Looks like Z-Mac is also in the deal. M's getting a nice haul Looks like Z-Mac is also in the deal. M’s getting a nice haul

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/07/09/friend-or-foe-eh-state-your-business/#comment-123383 thelarmis Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:53:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=37284#comment-123383 ooh, now it's looking like zach mcallister is the 3rd prospect. ouch. [this according to mlbtr. sorry if it's been mentioned, haven't had the chance to go thru the comments yet...] ooh, now it’s looking like zach mcallister is the 3rd prospect. ouch.

[this according to mlbtr. sorry if it's been mentioned, haven't had the chance to go thru the comments yet...]

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