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		<title>By: omarcoming</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/08/05/what-600-might-mean/#comment-129580</link>
		<dc:creator>omarcoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OYF,

I may as old as you but the steroids bother me. Bennies are good for a wake up but you don&#039;t get super human strength. NFL guys used to take them by the handful.
Arod has been a great player. Who cares about HOF?  Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry and Kirby Puckett are in there. Enough said.</description>
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<p>I may as old as you but the steroids bother me. Bennies are good for a wake up but you don&#8217;t get super human strength. NFL guys used to take them by the handful.<br />
Arod has been a great player. Who cares about HOF?  Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry and Kirby Puckett are in there. Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/08/05/what-600-might-mean/#comment-129579</link>
		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6] &lt;i&gt;Is ARod the greatest overall middle infielder in MLB history?&lt;/i&gt;

Rogers. Hornsby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[6] <i>Is ARod the greatest overall middle infielder in MLB history?</i></p>
<p>Rogers. Hornsby.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/08/05/what-600-might-mean/#comment-129578</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody ever do any high quality uppers? When it comes to physicality, can you say it&#039;s not a PED? However, with uppers, you don&#039;t need to spend 4 hours a day, 3 days a week in a gym, killing yourself.

While ARod might have benefitted from Steroids, look at BEFORE and AFTER pictures of Bonds, Sosa and Big Mac. Would you even recognize them as the same guy? Now do it for ARod. See ANY difference?

If ARod can hit 54 HRs in YS (28 Away) at age 31, is it that much of a stretch to think he could average 52 HRs over 3 years (ages 25-27) in Texas (avg 25 Away) ?

With many players, you can look at their HR stats and see the really strange anomally.
A-Gon. Best HR year: 57. 2nd best: 31. But... who really knows.
Bonds and Sosas before and after HR numbers jump out at you.

You can&#039;t believe everything ARod says, but when he says he&#039;s not sure he even used PEDs correctly (as opposed to Bonds and Mac who made a science of it), well..... I believe that. Kind of typical ARod.

Is ARod the greatest overall middle infielder in MLB history?

This whole steroids thing is bullshit.
Bonds is a no doubter HOFer, steroids or not.
Big Mac.... probably.
Sosa.... close, but could be debated.
ARod is first ballot HOF material.

P.S. Thome has the same career OPS+ as ARod... 146.
No SBs or running skills, no great D, and a 1st baseman. But still, the guy was pretty freakin good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody ever do any high quality uppers? When it comes to physicality, can you say it&#8217;s not a PED? However, with uppers, you don&#8217;t need to spend 4 hours a day, 3 days a week in a gym, killing yourself.</p>
<p>While ARod might have benefitted from Steroids, look at BEFORE and AFTER pictures of Bonds, Sosa and Big Mac. Would you even recognize them as the same guy? Now do it for ARod. See ANY difference?</p>
<p>If ARod can hit 54 HRs in YS (28 Away) at age 31, is it that much of a stretch to think he could average 52 HRs over 3 years (ages 25-27) in Texas (avg 25 Away) ?</p>
<p>With many players, you can look at their HR stats and see the really strange anomally.<br />
A-Gon. Best HR year: 57. 2nd best: 31. But&#8230; who really knows.<br />
Bonds and Sosas before and after HR numbers jump out at you.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t believe everything ARod says, but when he says he&#8217;s not sure he even used PEDs correctly (as opposed to Bonds and Mac who made a science of it), well&#8230;.. I believe that. Kind of typical ARod.</p>
<p>Is ARod the greatest overall middle infielder in MLB history?</p>
<p>This whole steroids thing is bullshit.<br />
Bonds is a no doubter HOFer, steroids or not.<br />
Big Mac&#8230;. probably.<br />
Sosa&#8230;. close, but could be debated.<br />
ARod is first ballot HOF material.</p>
<p>P.S. Thome has the same career OPS+ as ARod&#8230; 146.<br />
No SBs or running skills, no great D, and a 1st baseman. But still, the guy was pretty freakin good.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/08/05/what-600-might-mean/#comment-129577</link>
		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] &lt;i&gt;in effect you are blacking out a couple of decades of baseball greatness and calling into question any present players recently inducted&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, and this is why I hate the whole PED mess, because it has tarnished everybody. Since I am one of those who happens to be more bothered by PED use, where others have reconciled themselves (and yes, we all know the arguments...no need to rehearse them here), I am forced when presented with the choice to yes to all of them or no, to say no. Whether the HoF actually blocks out this era or not is of little consequence to me personally, because I have already done so.  The pursuit of various single season and career records, and entry the HoF itself, simply hold very little interest for; they generate no passion or enthusiasm or excitement or anticipation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] <i>in effect you are blacking out a couple of decades of baseball greatness and calling into question any present players recently inducted</i></p>
<p>Indeed, and this is why I hate the whole PED mess, because it has tarnished everybody. Since I am one of those who happens to be more bothered by PED use, where others have reconciled themselves (and yes, we all know the arguments&#8230;no need to rehearse them here), I am forced when presented with the choice to yes to all of them or no, to say no. Whether the HoF actually blocks out this era or not is of little consequence to me personally, because I have already done so.  The pursuit of various single season and career records, and entry the HoF itself, simply hold very little interest for; they generate no passion or enthusiasm or excitement or anticipation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] Precisely correct.</description>
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		<title>By: omarcoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>omarcoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I want Mickey Mantle restored to his former place on the all-time lists the issue of the HOF holds little interest for me.  I am much more juiced about today&#039;s competition. ARod has been a wonderful player. He works hard, is always prepared and at present seems to be popular with his teammates. It is hard to grow up in the spotlight and the man&#039;s immaturity has made him unpopular in the past. Ten years from now who cares. I hope he is happy and healthy but his legacy holds little interest.
About this 800 hr.stuff. He is on the downside with a bad hip and will DH more in the future. Without augmentation players will breakdown according to the laws of nature and young players will get their chance, as it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I want Mickey Mantle restored to his former place on the all-time lists the issue of the HOF holds little interest for me.  I am much more juiced about today&#8217;s competition. ARod has been a wonderful player. He works hard, is always prepared and at present seems to be popular with his teammates. It is hard to grow up in the spotlight and the man&#8217;s immaturity has made him unpopular in the past. Ten years from now who cares. I hope he is happy and healthy but his legacy holds little interest.<br />
About this 800 hr.stuff. He is on the downside with a bad hip and will DH more in the future. Without augmentation players will breakdown according to the laws of nature and young players will get their chance, as it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fine mess, indeed...</description>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/08/05/what-600-might-mean/#comment-129573</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for me to take the HoF seriously when the voting process largely involves the caprices of selected writers who may or may not have literal experience observing the player throughout his career and have significant opinions on how that player should live their life or think, but then have little defense of their own values when equally put on the spot (&quot;Well, that&#039;s just what I think and I have a right to think that!&quot;)

That said, I would be surprised if Rodriguez got the same amount of dunning that those who continued to deny their use have had.  That would really be hypocritical; punishing someone who tells the truth (and few people like &quot;the truth&quot; as much as they say they do) just as hard as if they didn&#039;t.  Some players are probably thinking, &quot;what&#039;s the point? It&#039;s not going to change anything with these people...&quot; and unless we&#039;re shown otherwise, it&#039;s a rational defense.  It&#039;s a &quot;mute&quot; argument at best; if Rodriguez cannot be in the Hall of Fame, then nobody should; in effect you are blacking out a couple of decades of baseball greatness and calling into question any present players recently inducted; not to mention the validity of the HoF itself. Hell, you might want to rename it the Brotherhood of Fame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to take the HoF seriously when the voting process largely involves the caprices of selected writers who may or may not have literal experience observing the player throughout his career and have significant opinions on how that player should live their life or think, but then have little defense of their own values when equally put on the spot (&#8220;Well, that&#8217;s just what I think and I have a right to think that!&#8221;)</p>
<p>That said, I would be surprised if Rodriguez got the same amount of dunning that those who continued to deny their use have had.  That would really be hypocritical; punishing someone who tells the truth (and few people like &#8220;the truth&#8221; as much as they say they do) just as hard as if they didn&#8217;t.  Some players are probably thinking, &#8220;what&#8217;s the point? It&#8217;s not going to change anything with these people&#8230;&#8221; and unless we&#8217;re shown otherwise, it&#8217;s a rational defense.  It&#8217;s a &#8220;mute&#8221; argument at best; if Rodriguez cannot be in the Hall of Fame, then nobody should; in effect you are blacking out a couple of decades of baseball greatness and calling into question any present players recently inducted; not to mention the validity of the HoF itself. Hell, you might want to rename it the Brotherhood of Fame.</p>
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