Comments on: Villains Always Blink Their Eyes http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:21:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: seamus http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143901 seamus Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:00:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143901 [50] All you have there is a whole lot of hearsay. If you've ever known or worked with someone who had a mysterious ailment (or suffered from something non-obvious to observers), co-workers and managers almost always assume the worst about their work ethic. All that verifies is what we already know. We don't know squat about his work ethic (they seem to like it fine in Minnie from everything i've heard though). He's a celebrity. Hate him if you want to. But please don't pretend you know something you don't know. I have my own guesses about what was going on but all they are are guesses based on my own experiences. I could be totally wrong and I recognize that. [50] All you have there is a whole lot of hearsay. If you’ve ever known or worked with someone who had a mysterious ailment (or suffered from something non-obvious to observers), co-workers and managers almost always assume the worst about their work ethic. All that verifies is what we already know. We don’t know squat about his work ethic (they seem to like it fine in Minnie from everything i’ve heard though). He’s a celebrity. Hate him if you want to. But please don’t pretend you know something you don’t know. I have my own guesses about what was going on but all they are are guesses based on my own experiences. I could be totally wrong and I recognize that.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143900 Dimelo Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:20:05 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143900 [49] what makes us different, sorry, but there was enough out there that he was quitter for me to make that judgement. Torre's book for one. And when Mussina spoke out against him and in a roundabout way calling him a quitter, "why don't you talk about the people who aren't here?", I'm definitely paraphrasing there, then I think he was indirectly saying he was a quitter. And the players, at least to me, are the best people to address that issue. Just like my co-workers are the root authority to tell you what my work-ethic and dedication is to a project. Javy was never a villain to me, I think Shaun [48] said it best. I still respect Javy, sometimes people just aren't good enough. It happens. But Pavano's issue wasn't that, he just seemed like someone who didn't want to deal with none of the melodrama any longer. [49] what makes us different, sorry, but there was enough out there that he was quitter for me to make that judgement. Torre’s book for one. And when Mussina spoke out against him and in a roundabout way calling him a quitter, “why don’t you talk about the people who aren’t here?”, I’m definitely paraphrasing there, then I think he was indirectly saying he was a quitter. And the players, at least to me, are the best people to address that issue. Just like my co-workers are the root authority to tell you what my work-ethic and dedication is to a project.

Javy was never a villain to me, I think Shaun [48] said it best. I still respect Javy, sometimes people just aren’t good enough. It happens. But Pavano’s issue wasn’t that, he just seemed like someone who didn’t want to deal with none of the melodrama any longer.

]]> By: seamus http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143899 seamus Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:02:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143899 [45] how in the world do you *know* he was a quitter? You and I don't know jack about what was really going on with him. Assumptions like that bug the crap out of me. [45] how in the world do you *know* he was a quitter? You and I don’t know jack about what was really going on with him. Assumptions like that bug the crap out of me.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143898 Shaun P. Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:52:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143898 [46] I always thought it was silly to hate on Javy, because to me, the hate seemed to stem primarily from the grand slam. That, of course, is what everyone remembers. The reason the Yanks lost the ALCS was not solely Javy - but that's how he's been treated. Way too many parallels to Buckner's treatment by Sox fans for my liking. How can you hate on a guy for being a part of a losing effort, when he's only responsible for himself? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Pavano, though . . . what an ass. His situation was entirely in his control - and that makes him far more reprehensible than Javy, whether the outcomes were of their respective situations. I don't know if I hate him, or even baseball hate him, but like Dimelo [45], I sure don't respect him. [46] I always thought it was silly to hate on Javy, because to me, the hate seemed to stem primarily from the grand slam. That, of course, is what everyone remembers. The reason the Yanks lost the ALCS was not solely Javy – but that’s how he’s been treated. Way too many parallels to Buckner’s treatment by Sox fans for my liking.

How can you hate on a guy for being a part of a losing effort, when he’s only responsible for himself? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

Pavano, though . . . what an ass. His situation was entirely in his control – and that makes him far more reprehensible than Javy, whether the outcomes were of their respective situations. I don’t know if I hate him, or even baseball hate him, but like Dimelo [45], I sure don’t respect him.

]]> By: Yankee Mama http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143897 Yankee Mama Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:33:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143897 Javy did more direct damage, while Pavano had more to do with what he didn't do. I was actually ok with Pavano until he covered up the car accident. His teammates were disgusted and frustrated with him and were verbal about it. How often does that happen? Usually, their disdain is hidden within the shadows. Anyway, it's always good to have a villain. Javy did more direct damage, while Pavano had more to do with what he didn’t do. I was actually ok with Pavano until he covered up the car accident. His teammates were disgusted and frustrated with him and were verbal about it. How often does that happen? Usually, their disdain is hidden within the shadows.

Anyway, it’s always good to have a villain.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143896 Jon DeRosa Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:19:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143896 What I object to is that we were told that we were such ignorant babies for hating on Javy Vazquez and that it's accepted as gospel to hate on pavano. well vazquez has harmed me in much more direct and lasting fashion than has pavano. and javy, by all accounts is a good dude, who pitched thru pain and took the ball w/o excuses (wel, now he has excuses, but they took years to come out). pavano was the opposite. but the results, in wins and losses, were much more influenced by javy's crappiness than by pavano's absence. What I object to is that we were told that we were such ignorant babies for hating on Javy Vazquez and that it’s accepted as gospel to hate on pavano. well vazquez has harmed me in much more direct and lasting fashion than has pavano.

and javy, by all accounts is a good dude, who pitched thru pain and took the ball w/o excuses (wel, now he has excuses, but they took years to come out). pavano was the opposite. but the results, in wins and losses, were much more influenced by javy’s crappiness than by pavano’s absence.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143895 Dimelo Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:13:50 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143895 [43] I just hate Pavano period, I don't have baseball hate, rather it doesn't exist for me. I have a binary: hate or respect. I hate Pavano, but I respect Pedroia and Youk. Respect can come out as dislike or hate, but if they were on my team then I'd be ecstatic. Pavano I just have a lot of hate for, he wants to act like it was all one big misunderstanding (his time with the Yanks) but he was a douche-bag, a quitter. Jaret Wright at least tried, he just sucked, Pavano...he'll always fall under the category of people that can go GFY (Themselves). [43] I just hate Pavano period, I don’t have baseball hate, rather it doesn’t exist for me. I have a binary: hate or respect. I hate Pavano, but I respect Pedroia and Youk. Respect can come out as dislike or hate, but if they were on my team then I’d be ecstatic. Pavano I just have a lot of hate for, he wants to act like it was all one big misunderstanding (his time with the Yanks) but he was a douche-bag, a quitter. Jaret Wright at least tried, he just sucked, Pavano…he’ll always fall under the category of people that can go GFY (Themselves).

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143894 Jon DeRosa Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:05:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143894 [42] Maybe he was just so invested in the swing that he wasn't able to get the motor going right away? [42] Maybe he was just so invested in the swing that he wasn’t able to get the motor going right away?

]]> By: Yankee Mama http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143893 Yankee Mama Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:55:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143893 I think Joba must have some unreported injury. There were too many times later in the season when he was simply unavailable without explanation. Or, his manager doesn't trust him to get the job done. I like that, baseball hate, not to be confused with everyday hate. I'm in. I think Joba must have some unreported injury. There were too many times later in the season when he was simply unavailable without explanation. Or, his manager doesn’t trust him to get the job done.

I like that, baseball hate, not to be confused with everyday hate. I’m in.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143892 Dimelo Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:48:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143892 [41] That's fine, I had a different opinion of the same event. [41] That’s fine, I had a different opinion of the same event.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143891 Jon DeRosa Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:36:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143891 [40] I saw him dmiring what he probably thought was a homer. And then he had no chance to kick it in gear and get to second. maybe he would have been held to a single anyway, but he gave himself no chance. it's not a lack of hustle, it's a lack of priority. and, as i said, it's not just cano. it's a lot of players. [40] I saw him dmiring what he probably thought was a homer. And then he had no chance to kick it in gear and get to second. maybe he would have been held to a single anyway, but he gave himself no chance.

it’s not a lack of hustle, it’s a lack of priority. and, as i said, it’s not just cano. it’s a lot of players.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143890 Dimelo Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:18:59 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143890 [0] Regarding Cano, what makes you think he wasn't hustling? The ball he scorched - do we agree there? - he couldn't round first assuming Tex was going to 3rd, plus Kubel has + arm, I thought Cano played that right. I never get why people think he's not hustling, I thought he was, IMHO. [0] Regarding Cano, what makes you think he wasn’t hustling? The ball he scorched – do we agree there? – he couldn’t round first assuming Tex was going to 3rd, plus Kubel has + arm, I thought Cano played that right. I never get why people think he’s not hustling, I thought he was, IMHO.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143889 Jon DeRosa Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:12:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143889 [33] Maybe you're right. I remember many people not wanting any part of Roy Halladay either. Maybe they were right too. Why do you think those starts with the Rangers are more telling than the 2.5 years preceeding them? If they sign him for 6 years, he probably won't be good for all 6, but I think he's got several good years ahead of him. The other question is if not Lee, then the next best free agent pitcher is possibly... Carl Pavano. [33] Maybe you’re right. I remember many people not wanting any part of Roy Halladay either. Maybe they were right too. Why do you think those starts with the Rangers are more telling than the 2.5 years preceeding them?

If they sign him for 6 years, he probably won’t be good for all 6, but I think he’s got several good years ahead of him. The other question is if not Lee, then the next best free agent pitcher is possibly…

Carl Pavano.

]]> By: YankeeAbby http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143888 YankeeAbby Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:06:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143888 Oh. crap. Bonehead I am.. DELETE POST! DELETE POST!! I got the damned thing backwards. Crawling back into my hole! Oh. crap.

Bonehead I am.. DELETE POST! DELETE POST!!

I got the damned thing backwards. Crawling back into my hole!

]]> By: YankeeAbby http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143887 YankeeAbby Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:05:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143887 Hey Will Weiss - if you're reading this morning - this was from your thread yesterday: [[Prediction: Twins 5, Yankees 2]] You happen to know tonight's winning lottery numbers?? ;-) Hey Will Weiss – if you’re reading this morning – this was from your thread yesterday:

[[Prediction: Twins 5, Yankees 2]]

You happen to know tonight’s winning lottery numbers?? ;-)

]]> By: flycaster http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143886 flycaster Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:03:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143886 What's the deal with Joba? Has Joe decided to bury him? Obviously he made the right decision to go with Wood last night (and he seldom gets credit for good decisions in this forum) but I kind of figured since Kerry worked Wednesday night that last night would be Joba's turn. And since TBS never shows us the bullpen, we have no idea if he has even gotten up. Anybody heard anything? What’s the deal with Joba? Has Joe decided to bury him? Obviously he made the right decision to go with Wood last night (and he seldom gets credit for good decisions in this forum) but I kind of figured since Kerry worked Wednesday night that last night would be Joba’s turn. And since TBS never shows us the bullpen, we have no idea if he has even gotten up. Anybody heard anything?

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143885 rbj Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:55:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143885 I do hate Pavano. I don't mind if a guy isn't good, or if he's injured, or just can't handle the pressure of NY -- so I can't hate even Ed Whitson. It's just that basically Carl has been healthy and good before NY and after NY. But for 4 years he was always injured. 26 starts in 4 years, with 9 in the last three years? Whitson couldn't handle NY, but at least he took the ball. To me, Carl hid. If you're going to hide, don't take $10 million a year. I do hate Pavano. I don’t mind if a guy isn’t good, or if he’s injured, or just can’t handle the pressure of NY — so I can’t hate even Ed Whitson. It’s just that basically Carl has been healthy and good before NY and after NY. But for 4 years he was always injured. 26 starts in 4 years, with 9 in the last three years?

Whitson couldn’t handle NY, but at least he took the ball. To me, Carl hid. If you’re going to hide, don’t take $10 million a year.

]]> By: chrsm http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143884 chrsm Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:35:13 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143884 Andy looking HOF to me. Birkman, well, I've been waiting and watching for The Birk to show up. Good timing. Swish called it the Texas Two Step. Only Andy is from Baton Rouge. Still, nice game and all. (Great frigging' game!) Andy looking HOF to me. Birkman, well, I’ve been waiting and watching for The Birk to show up. Good timing. Swish called it the Texas Two Step. Only Andy is from Baton Rouge. Still, nice game and all. (Great frigging’ game!)

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143883 monkeypants Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:58:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143883 32) my prediction is that he is going to fall off the table in terms of performance. I really do think that the 110 ERA+ that he had with the Rangers is going to be the norm, not his crazy good two years. But we will of course have memories of when he was the best LHP in the league, before he was a Yankee. 32) my prediction is that he is going to fall off the table in terms of performance. I really do think that the 110 ERA+ that he had with the Rangers is going to be the norm, not his crazy good two years. But we will of course have memories of when he was the best LHP in the league, before he was a Yankee.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/10/07/villains-always-blink-their-eyes/#comment-143882 Jon DeRosa Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:11:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=42538#comment-143882 [31] I really don't like losing to him, or that he was so good for the Twins this year. So maybe I'm approaching something like you are talking about. But when the Yankees beat him, I don't revel in it that much extra. [29 & 30] Since Cashman was willing to trade Montero for him in July, and since the rotation is in worse shape in November than it was then, I think there's a very good chance he'll be a Yankee. I hope at that time, you guys can get excited about having the best left handed pitcher in baseball on your squad. [31] I really don’t like losing to him, or that he was so good for the Twins this year. So maybe I’m approaching something like you are talking about. But when the Yankees beat him, I don’t revel in it that much extra.

[29 & 30] Since Cashman was willing to trade Montero for him in July, and since the rotation is in worse shape in November than it was then, I think there’s a very good chance he’ll be a Yankee. I hope at that time, you guys can get excited about having the best left handed pitcher in baseball on your squad.

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