Comments on: Joe Joe Was a Man…

By: RagingTartabull

RagingTartabull — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:19:02 +0000

he’s not the perfect manager, but he’s the right one for this team…I think the results the last two years have shown that. You’re never gonna find the manager you agree with 100% of the time, but as long as the players are responding to him thats all you can ask for.

By: The Hawk

The Hawk — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:05:32 +0000

[25] I love your handle btw.

Anyway, I have the same instinct about Lee as some others here. He will not deliver in pinstripes. Maybe one more year, maybe two. Maybe none. I’m telling you!

By: omarcoming

omarcoming — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:17:43 +0000

Go with the young guys.

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:58:23 +0000

[21] I think Andy Pettitte wants to retire but will hold off another year if he thinks the Yankees really need him.

[19] I’d say that Mussina was good to great in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2008. That’s a pretty good return.

[18] I think if the Yankees miss out on Lee they have an extremely mediocre starting rotation. I think they compound that problem by signing at least two of the awful free agent starters on the market.

By: cult of basebaal

cult of basebaal — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:03:18 +0000

oh, guess not, never mind …

By: cult of basebaal

cult of basebaal — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:02:44 +0000

Uh, oh … italics tag has gone rogue!

Like, Grim LeRogue!

By: cult of basebaal

cult of basebaal — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:01:53 +0000

I don’t think pettitte comes back unless the Yankees lose out on lee.

You mean if the Yankees sign Lee, Pettite will feel like it’s ok if he retires?

Or that the Yankees wouldn’t be interested in bringing Pettite back unless they lost out on Lee?

By: cult of basebaal

cult of basebaal — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:58:17 +0000

Hopefully Santa won’t be putting any more Nick Johnsons or Chan Ho Parks under the tree this year.

I want Santa to bring us Jesus this year …

By: Chyll Will

Chyll Will — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:49:07 +0000

I dunno; I keep thinking of Moose when I look at him. We couldn’t wait to have Moose when he became available, but got what, three out of seven great years and the rest were okay to bad. The thing about it though, Lee makes other pitchers around him better. I’ve heard a few rotation mates around the leagues say that he was instrumental in one way or another; I think his value is in his work ethic and knowledge. His presence would certainly make the new pitching coach’s challenge easier in regard to certain erstwhile righthanders…

By: bp1

bp1 — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:29:17 +0000

[13] Without Lee specifically, or without some other starting pitcher? I’d much rather have the Yankees package a couple guys in a trade for a decent reliable starter than lock in Lee for a decade, most of which will almost surely be mediocre. With a trade you can limit the duration of the committment, which to me is more important for the Yankee future then how much their payroll is next season.

Lee is a good pitcher, but he’s not Johan Santana or Randy Johnson. At least I don’t think so. There are some guys you make exceptions for, such as CC Sabathia. Cliff Lee is not one of those guys. Good pitcher, but I think he’s on one of those two-three years runs of exceptional pitching and some good luck. He’s going to cash in huge and someone is going to be stuck with the downside of that crest he’s riding. I don’t want it to be the Yankees. We’re already stuck with one of those guys (AJ Burnett).

Just IMHO of course. I could be wrong. He could be turning into Greg Maddux before our eyes.

That’s what makes baseball winter so interesting. How much are teams willing to gamble on past results? If Lee gets a 7 year deal for CC money, then we’ll know.

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:52:10 +0000

I don’t think pettitte comes back unless the Yankees lose out on lee.

By: MichiganYankee

MichiganYankee — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:44:09 +0000

Correction (I initally had Pettitte at 12 mil): 192 before Lee, 212 after.

By: MichiganYankee

MichiganYankee — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:42:40 +0000

144 million
+ 15 for Mo (renewal of current salary)
+ 15 for Jeter (guessing that that wil equate him with Mo)
+ 13 for Pettitte (merit increase based on 1st-half performance)
+ 5 for Hughes (arbitration value based on win total)
——————–
191 million.

Add 20 million for Lee and you’ve got 211 million before even starting with the cheaper players (and possibly some 1-5 million dollar FAs). Assuming Pettitte returns, the only big contract truly coming off the books is Vazquez.

By: thelarmis

thelarmis — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:42:10 +0000

[4] i’m all about Ms. O being the next manager of the Yanks. i also nominate our man Cliff to be the next GM! ; )

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:35:57 +0000

[11] I just don’t see how this is a respectable starting pitching staff without him.

By: Crazy8Rick

Crazy8Rick — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:17:32 +0000

Hey guys, buck up! Girardi managed us to World Series last year. Got close this year (I know… I know… close ain’t good enough for us Yankee fans) But come on guys & gals, most fans in most cities would luv to have our problems with Girardi and a team like the Yankees. We all know the ups and downs this year with our aging ball club. But DAMN we wus more than pretty good clipboard Joe this season. So I am like, ‘let’s not get in the whathaveyoudone4me lately’ thing with Joe. I blame Cashman for some of the junk we picked up this off season and thankfully Girardi over came it with his coaching.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:43:38 +0000

[0] regarding Girardi: whatever. He’s been a bit of a disappointment, but what can you expect? Hopefully Cashman can somewhat Girard-proof the roster by making Cervelli go away and the like.

[3] I agree with your assessment of Lee. My super-irrational-pessimistic sense tells me that the Yankees are not going to be happy with the massive contract they dole out to Lee (a guys who, still, has only sorta been the best pitcher in the league for 1.5 seasons and completely unhittable in the PS only against the Yankees, except last season when he was hittable the second time they faced him).

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:28:45 +0000

[3] This is a *bad* team next year without Lee. If you’re willing to punt 2011, plus whatever years are included on the bad FA pitchers we sign to make up for it, there had better be some master plan.

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:25:26 +0000

You know what, as long as Francisco Cervelli isn’t the starting catcher again next year and there’s no Wilson Betemit 2008 fetish, It will be fine. Bullpen roulette and the pinch stand theres will be infuriating, but thats part of the fun,

By: RIYank

RIYank — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:02:01 +0000

[6] Not sure how you mean that. A lot of money is coming off the books this winter. We assume that a whole bunch of that is going straight back on (Jeter, Mo, at least). Also, much of our very cheap bullpen is due for a raise (by arbitration), as is Hughes. But properly speaking, the Yanks’ payroll obligation for next year is $144M. (This is from Cot’s.)