Comments on: Mo’s In His Heaven, All’s Right With the World http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sat, 25 May 2013 18:32:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151630 Chyll Will Sat, 04 Dec 2010 05:49:01 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151630 [24] "Lest you think I'm crazy..." You can lead a horse to water, but you can't teach him to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke! >;) Heppy Berfday, mr. t! [24] “Lest you think I’m crazy…”

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t teach him to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke! >;)

Heppy Berfday, mr. t!

]]> By: Yankster http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151629 Yankster Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:39:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151629 Lots of people have done the math on next year's Yanks payroll including an awesome piece by Jaffe at Prospectus. I did different plausible numbers myself and like everybody else the Yanks really will hurt financially this year. Even if Lee gets $22/year they have a great chance of setting a new spending record and significantly expanding their losses. Given that every $1 million in salary is now costing the Yankees $1.4 million, I'd say that Boston making sure that Mo gets fully paid by the Yankees is a not just a side venture, it's a critical component of getting RSox competitive next year. It certainly will keep some smaller but import minor league or bench deals from getting done. (if you assume that the actual spending caps the yanks have had in place for the last decade are still in place. Feel free to ignore Hal or any front office official on their "budget." Just don't ignore their balance sheet. Lots of people have done the math on next year’s Yanks payroll including an awesome piece by Jaffe at Prospectus.

I did different plausible numbers myself and like everybody else the Yanks really will hurt financially this year. Even if Lee gets $22/year they have a great chance of setting a new spending record and significantly expanding their losses. Given that every $1 million in salary is now costing the Yankees $1.4 million, I’d say that Boston making sure that Mo gets fully paid by the Yankees is a not just a side venture, it’s a critical component of getting RSox competitive next year. It certainly will keep some smaller but import minor league or bench deals from getting done. (if you assume that the actual spending caps the yanks have had in place for the last decade are still in place. Feel free to ignore Hal or any front office official on their “budget.” Just don’t ignore their balance sheet.

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151628 thelarmis Fri, 03 Dec 2010 18:41:24 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151628 [6 & 25] thanks RI & rbj! and praise be to Mo! [6 & 25] thanks RI & rbj!

and praise be to Mo!

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151627 rbj Fri, 03 Dec 2010 18:04:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151627 [2] Hippy Boifday! Ah, Mo. "when I try to imagine Mariano running out in an Angels uniform" I'd sooner be able to imagine touching my right elbow with my right hand. [2] Hippy Boifday!

Ah, Mo.

“when I try to imagine Mariano running out in an Angels uniform”

I’d sooner be able to imagine touching my right elbow with my right hand.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151626 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:02:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151626 by the way, lest you think I'm crazy - I don't really in my mind equate Rivera with a magical flying car from a children's fantasy story. A pitcher who can secure baseball victories like Rivera does at his level of efficiency, and consistency is far more valuable. by the way, lest you think I’m crazy – I don’t really in my mind equate Rivera with a magical flying car from a children’s fantasy story.
A pitcher who can secure baseball victories like Rivera does at his level of efficiency, and consistency is far more valuable.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151625 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:40:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151625 [21] you don't kick the tires on Mo. That's the thing. He's the exception. He's Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, man! You look at a fine vintage flying automobile like the great Rivera - but you don't touch. and you certainly do not kick the tires, or even think about changing the license plate. Blasphemy, William. I'm surprised at you. Allowing Mo's tires to be kicked is regarding Mo like any other used car on the lot. A lemon like Papelbon. You kick the tires on that, scrape at the rust, inspect the frayed wires, and wonder what it's worth. You don't dare make an offer on Cutty Cutty Bang Bang. [21] you don’t kick the tires on Mo. That’s the thing.
He’s the exception. He’s Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, man!
You look at a fine vintage flying automobile like the great Rivera – but you don’t touch. and you certainly do not kick the tires, or even think about changing the license plate.

Blasphemy, William. I’m surprised at you. Allowing Mo’s tires to be kicked is regarding Mo like any other used car on the lot.

A lemon like Papelbon. You kick the tires on that, scrape at the rust, inspect the frayed wires, and wonder what it’s worth.

You don’t dare make an offer on Cutty Cutty Bang Bang.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151624 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:30:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151624 [20] the Damon comparison doesn't work on any level. Damon had been on 3 other teams by the time he signed with the Yankees. He was also, what, 31 years old? Mo's been on 1 team, and he's, well, his age has proven to be meaningless thus far. You just can't compare the players or their circumstances. Anyway, what's good for Mo is good for the Yankees. I wouldn't have blinked at a 3 year deal if Mo wanted one. If the Red Sox and Angels helped increase the length of the deal, (which I don't believe) their gestures were even more foolish than I originally thought. [20] the Damon comparison doesn’t work on any level.
Damon had been on 3 other teams by the time he signed with the Yankees. He was also, what, 31 years old?
Mo’s been on 1 team, and he’s, well, his age has proven to be meaningless thus far. You just can’t compare the players or their circumstances.

Anyway, what’s good for Mo is good for the Yankees. I wouldn’t have blinked at a 3 year deal if Mo wanted one.

If the Red Sox and Angels helped increase the length of the deal, (which I don’t believe) their gestures were even more foolish than I originally thought.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151623 williamnyy23 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:06:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151623 [20] Exactly...why would you not take a shot at getting Mo if you are Boston? Think about it: you cripple Yanks; get Bard the best mentor you can imagine; trade Papelbon, who is due a big raise and is headed to free agency, which offsets the cost; and take prospects from Papelbon deal and sweeten offer to Arizona for Justin Upton. If Epstein did not kick the tires on Rivera, he isn't doing his job. [20] Exactly…why would you not take a shot at getting Mo if you are Boston? Think about it: you cripple Yanks; get Bard the best mentor you can imagine; trade Papelbon, who is due a big raise and is headed to free agency, which offsets the cost; and take prospects from Papelbon deal and sweeten offer to Arizona for Justin Upton.

If Epstein did not kick the tires on Rivera, he isn’t doing his job.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151622 Dimelo Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:40:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151622 [18] We can disagree about it all you want. But if I were the Angels or Red Sox I would have done the same thing. Just like nobody thought Damon would leave the Red Sox in 2006, it doesn't hurt and it doesn't cost you anything. If it forced the Yankess to add another year, I thought their offer was just one year and Mo wanted that second year. So whatever the Red Sox/Angels did it worked, and it worked in Mo's favor. [18] We can disagree about it all you want. But if I were the Angels or Red Sox I would have done the same thing. Just like nobody thought Damon would leave the Red Sox in 2006, it doesn’t hurt and it doesn’t cost you anything. If it forced the Yankess to add another year, I thought their offer was just one year and Mo wanted that second year. So whatever the Red Sox/Angels did it worked, and it worked in Mo’s favor.

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151621 The Hawk Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:38:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151621 [18] "He’s such a fascinating player this Carl Crawford. Why, we could talk all winter in a one-horse open sleigh, throwing chestnuts on an open fire, sipping cocoa in our snuggies, and all that." LOL [18] “He’s such a fascinating player this Carl Crawford. Why, we could talk all winter in a one-horse open sleigh, throwing chestnuts on an open fire, sipping cocoa in our snuggies, and all that.”

LOL

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151620 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:34:32 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151620 [17] yeah, if I'm Cashman I'm definitely interested in talking to Crawford as much as the Red Sox are. He's such a fascinating player this Carl Crawford. Why, we could talk all winter in a one-horse open sleigh, throwing chestnuts on an open fire, sipping cocoa in our snuggies, and all that. Now, that's gamesmanship. Making sacrificial offers to Mo is hot stove horsecrap. Right said, Mr. Ed. [17] yeah, if I’m Cashman I’m definitely interested in talking to Crawford as much as the Red Sox are. He’s such a fascinating player this Carl Crawford. Why, we could talk all winter in a one-horse open sleigh, throwing chestnuts on an open fire, sipping cocoa in our snuggies, and all that.

Now, that’s gamesmanship.

Making sacrificial offers to Mo is hot stove horsecrap. Right said, Mr. Ed.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151619 Alex Belth Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:10:09 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151619 Meanwhile, dig this rumor: http://tinyurl.com/2aoeqat Meanwhile, dig this rumor:

http://tinyurl.com/2aoeqat

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151618 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:09:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151618 [15] maybe I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that Mo gets more than enough money and respect from the Yankees. Enough money and respect to render offers from other teams essentially meaningless. to William's point in [11], perhaps the Yankees had not made themselves clear enough with Mo how valuable he is to the team. Or maybe Mo's agent took a cue from the Jeter negotiations and thought it would be best to come to the Yankee table with bonafide offers from the likes of the Red Sox and Angels to get a deal done. It sickens me to think it would have to come to that. Either way, we rejoice at the bottomline. Mo's going nowhere except the Hall of Fame, and with some luck, maybe a few more trips through NY's Canyon of Heroes. [15] maybe I’m wrong but I’m under the impression that Mo gets more than enough money and respect from the Yankees. Enough money and respect to render offers from other teams essentially meaningless.

to William’s point in [11], perhaps the Yankees had not made themselves clear enough with Mo how valuable he is to the team. Or maybe Mo’s agent took a cue from the Jeter negotiations and thought it would be best to come to the Yankee table with bonafide offers from the likes of the Red Sox and Angels to get a deal done. It sickens me to think it would have to come to that.

Either way, we rejoice at the bottomline. Mo’s going nowhere except the Hall of Fame, and with some luck, maybe a few more trips through NY’s Canyon of Heroes.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151617 Dimelo Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:55:12 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151617 [14] I don't think so. Sliced. You're forgetting about two factors here: respect and money. Unfortunately, whether you agree with it or not, people equate respect with money. I know if a company offers me 25% more than what my company pays me then I will leave, and I love working for the company I work for. If Mo feels that the Yanks aren't showing him the respect he feels he deserves, then why stay? I think players do develop an emotional attachment for the team they played their entire careers for, but if you feel that team is no longer valuing your services as you think they should be valued then you take the better offer. One to send the message and two to make more change. It's always about, "fuck you, pay me". [14] I don’t think so. Sliced. You’re forgetting about two factors here: respect and money. Unfortunately, whether you agree with it or not, people equate respect with money. I know if a company offers me 25% more than what my company pays me then I will leave, and I love working for the company I work for.

If Mo feels that the Yanks aren’t showing him the respect he feels he deserves, then why stay? I think players do develop an emotional attachment for the team they played their entire careers for, but if you feel that team is no longer valuing your services as you think they should be valued then you take the better offer. One to send the message and two to make more change. It’s always about, “fuck you, pay me”.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151616 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:41:13 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151616 [11] I'm saying "taking a shot" at Mo is like the Red Sox announcing they're going to scout for talent on Mars. Because those two "shots" have an equal chance of hitting their mark. [11] I’m saying “taking a shot” at Mo is like the Red Sox announcing they’re going to scout for talent on Mars. Because those two “shots” have an equal chance of hitting their mark.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151615 OldYanksFan Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:40:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151615 http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5877705 The New York Daily News reported that Rivera was offered a three-year deal by an unnamed team. Los Angeles Angels GM Tony Reagins refused to verify an SI.com report that the Angels had offered Rivera a contract. "That's just part of the rumor mill," Reagins said. "I'm not confirming or denying it." http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5877705
The New York Daily News reported that Rivera was offered a three-year deal by an unnamed team.

Los Angeles Angels GM Tony Reagins refused to verify an SI.com report that the Angels had offered Rivera a contract.

“That’s just part of the rumor mill,” Reagins said. “I’m not confirming or denying it.”

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151614 Sliced Bread Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:33:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151614 [9] it's gamemanship if there's a game to be played. With the Yankees and Mo at this stage of his career - there is no game. The Yankees didnt need the Red Sox or Angels to force their hand and extend an offer to Mo. An offer from any other team would carry as much weight in the Yankees' negotiations with Mo, as an invitation to appear on "Dancing With The Stars." Total non-factors. [9] it’s gamemanship if there’s a game to be played. With the Yankees and Mo at this stage of his career – there is no game.
The Yankees didnt need the Red Sox or Angels to force their hand and extend an offer to Mo.
An offer from any other team would carry as much weight in the Yankees’ negotiations with Mo, as an invitation to appear on “Dancing With The Stars.”
Total non-factors.

]]> By: williamnyy23 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151613 williamnyy23 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:31:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151613 [8] Why did they embarrass themselves? Adding Mo, and, more importantly, removing him from the Yankees would strike a major blow and shift the balance of power. So, why not take a shot, even if it was unlikely? With the Yankees' presenting a posture similar to the one the Sox have used to chase their legendary stars away, perhaps the Red Sox thought they could swoop in and benefit. Now, the question is how much higher does Mo's deal set the bar for Jeter? [8] Why did they embarrass themselves? Adding Mo, and, more importantly, removing him from the Yankees would strike a major blow and shift the balance of power. So, why not take a shot, even if it was unlikely? With the Yankees’ presenting a posture similar to the one the Sox have used to chase their legendary stars away, perhaps the Red Sox thought they could swoop in and benefit.

Now, the question is how much higher does Mo’s deal set the bar for Jeter?

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151612 Alex Belth Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:21:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151612 Mo, Mo, MO! Gotta Go to MO! Mo, Mo, MO! Gotta Go to MO!

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/12/03/mos-in-his-heaven-alls-right-with-the-world/#comment-151611 Dimelo Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:17:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=45196#comment-151611 [8] I don't agree. It's gamesmanship, I'm glad they did because it only proves how much the Yanks knew it would gnaw at them and it forced their hand. Good for Mo'..welcome back..it's like you never left. [8] I don’t agree. It’s gamesmanship, I’m glad they did because it only proves how much the Yanks knew it would gnaw at them and it forced their hand.

Good for Mo’..welcome back..it’s like you never left.

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