Comments on: LOOGY In Your Eye Ball

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:34:51 +0000

[21] Hard to tell by just glancing at his appearances on BB-reference, but here are his overall numbers:

4th: 3 appearances
5th: 5
6th: 19
7th: 16
8th: 19
9th: 6
10th+: 2

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:39:30 +0000

[18] I’d need to look up the stats again, but I think the majority of Logan’s loogy outings when we had Marte were in the fifth and sixth

By: Diane Firstman

Diane Firstman — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:24:39 +0000

[19]

actually, “leverage” in addition to inherited runners is the measure you are looking for …

If you are up 3 runs, keeping a runner on 1st with two outs in the 9th from scoring is “worth less” than if its a 1-run game.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:07:37 +0000

[16] Actually, don’t relievers tend to have greater variance in ERA (from REALLY low to REALLY high) specifically because of the way they are used for short appearances? I thought that is why inherited runners scored was being pushed as far more valuable than ERA for middle relievers.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:04:52 +0000

[16] You may be correct. On the other hand, it seems to me that a LOOGY is often only deployed in very late, non-closer innings—usually the 7th or 8th. So that means the pitchers coming in to clean up his mess are usually THE EIGHTH INNING GUY and/or the closer, and not some random chump reliever. My instinct is that LOOGYs have fewer of their own runners score as the result of subsequent pitchers.

Of course, I have no idea how to prove that.

By: thelarmis

thelarmis — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:58:45 +0000

[5] yes, jose feliciano is very cool. and don’t forget Rimsky-Korsakov, the composer! very, very cool.

RI – you and your octothorpes and ampersands!

By: RIYank

RIYank — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:41:50 +0000

[10] I don’t think that can be right.
A LOOGY, in particular, is just as likely to leave in the middle of an inning as he is to arrive in the middle. So the inherited runners he allows to score should, on the whole, be balanced by the runners he leaves on.

A closer is different, because he almost never leaves in the middle of an inning. I guess in the case of the Yankees, a set-up man is also going to get a huge ERA advantage, since when he does leave men on base he gets to watch His Moliness fix everything.

By: Mattpat11

Mattpat11 — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:22:50 +0000

So, how long before management remembers that Joe can’t manage a bullpen with two lefties and cuts him?

By: NoamSane

NoamSane — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:48:04 +0000

José Feliciano is BadAss!
Love how he hung tough when he dropped his pick.

Pedro Feliciano I’d rather leave than take.

By: Shaun P.

Shaun P. — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:43:00 +0000

[12] Actually Raf, I forget where he signed, but DLR is gone.

Ah, here it is! According to River Ave Blues, De La Rosa signed with the Dodgers. I’d link to it (it was posted on December 11, and based on a tweet from one of the Baseball America writers), but I don’t want to have the post get lost in moderation hell.

I think anything from Marte in 2011 is just gravy.

By: Raf

Raf — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:17:04 +0000

[1] Wilkin De La Rosa’s still in the system.

[7] They recently signed Hernandez to an extension, I can understand why they’d be reluctant to move him.

With Feliciano joining Logan, I guess Marte isn’t expected to come back next season?

By: Yankee Mama

Yankee Mama — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:13:09 +0000

[6] Is the octothorpe endangered? Or is it just being misused in tweets?

I am neutral where Pedro Feliciano is concerned. Sure, why not. Are we overpaying?

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:13:06 +0000

[8] relievers, especially LOOGYs tend to have misleadingly low ERAs, I assume. Think about it, he faces one batter who, if he drives the runners in ahead of him, doesn’t affect the LOOGY’s ERA at all. Similary, if he starts the inning and, say, walks David Ortiz, there is a good chance that the next reliever (probably the “real” reliever) will in most cases clean up the mess.

Unless he gives up a HR, it’s relatively difficult for a LOOGY to hurt his own ERA.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:10:16 +0000

[2] Ah, a LOOGY. Is this the long-sought-after “second lefty in the bullpen”, a.k.a. the guy that guarantees a 13 man staff?

By: OldYanksFan

OldYanksFan — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:08:22 +0000

Pedro made just under $3m last year. He looks somewhat above average. Has a good ERA+ (127) but a high WHIP(1.372) and walks almost 3.8 batters per 9, averages 60 IP/season.

I guess he can help a bit, though I’m not sure how he manages a very good ERA+ with a poor WHIP. Dice-K-ish?

By: rbj

rbj — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:34:06 +0000

[3] So. . . , the Mariners would only like to lose 90 games next year rather than 100? It’s called rebuilding. And you’re in a 4 team division. Part with your ace, and get a bunch of prospects. O

h wait, who do the Yankees have as prospects. Montero & Romine are supposed to compete this year, leaving . . . Nova?

By: Diane Firstman

Diane Firstman — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:30:06 +0000

[5]

just knowing that # is called an octothorpe makes you hip ….

(I for one support the preservation of the octothorpe)

By: RIYank

RIYank — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:17:30 +0000

1. Jose is so fucking cool.

2. Will I be hipper if I #put those octothorpes in my comments randomly?

By: Diane Firstman

Diane Firstman — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:12:24 +0000

My $$$ roto team name last season was “Denny Hocking a LOOGY”

(and yes, I know Hocking wasn’t a pitcher)

By: Diane Firstman

Diane Firstman — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:07:38 +0000

Jon Heyman tweets:

#yankees called about king felix but #mariners said “absolutely not.” which jibes with what gm zduriencik texted yest.