Comments on: Hall and Oats http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Tue, 21 May 2013 18:10:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66857 The Hawk Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:10:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66857 [30] It all depends on your approach. If you're juicing and think, hey I'm juicing, let me swing for the fences" then your BA might be affected in funny ways. However if you maintain your pre-juicing approach then your BA should rise because you're hitting the ball harder ... thus making your OBP rise. Extra base hits, I figure them too, at least doubles. RBIs I suppose but it probably depends on your errrrrr "situational hitting". So yes. But on the other hand, I was responding to someone that mentioned home runs. [30] It all depends on your approach. If you’re juicing and think, hey I’m juicing, let me swing for the fences” then your BA might be affected in funny ways. However if you maintain your pre-juicing approach then your BA should rise because you’re hitting the ball harder … thus making your OBP rise. Extra base hits, I figure them too, at least doubles. RBIs I suppose but it probably depends on your errrrrr “situational hitting”.

So yes. But on the other hand, I was responding to someone that mentioned home runs.

]]> By: omarcoming http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66856 omarcoming Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:37:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66856 My HOF would be a lot smaller. Tim Raines? My HOF would be a lot smaller. Tim Raines?

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66855 RIYank Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:25:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66855 [29] There ya go. Although I will give the writers credit for getting it right eventually. (It took them a little more than ten seconds.) [29] There ya go.
Although I will give the writers credit for getting it right eventually. (It took them a little more than ten seconds.)

]]> By: Raf http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66854 Raf Thu, 06 Jan 2011 05:33:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66854 [4] Paul Molitor used cocaine, he's in the Hall of Fame. [6] It's not that hard to believe, considering that Gonzalez had a pretty big postseason as well as claim to a couple of MVP's. While I don't necessarily agree with that criteria, I can see baseball writers fawning over it. [13] With guys like Ruth, Mantle & Cobb among others in the HoF, I don't think the "character clause" means as much to the voters as they'd like to think. [24] There's more to the game than home runs; I would think that all numbers across the board would jump, not just home runs. [28] It was kinda tough because he played in Montreal, but even there Raines was considered to be in Henderson's league [4] Paul Molitor used cocaine, he’s in the Hall of Fame.

[6] It’s not that hard to believe, considering that Gonzalez had a pretty big postseason as well as claim to a couple of MVP’s. While I don’t necessarily agree with that criteria, I can see baseball writers fawning over it.

[13] With guys like Ruth, Mantle & Cobb among others in the HoF, I don’t think the “character clause” means as much to the voters as they’d like to think.

[24] There’s more to the game than home runs; I would think that all numbers across the board would jump, not just home runs.

[28] It was kinda tough because he played in Montreal, but even there Raines was considered to be in Henderson’s league

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66853 cult of basebaal Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:40:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66853 If you need to think about Bert Blyleven's case for the HOF for more than 10 seconds before deciding in the affirmative, that speaks far louder about you than it does about his career ... If you need to think about Bert Blyleven’s case for the HOF for more than 10 seconds before deciding in the affirmative, that speaks far louder about you than it does about his career …

]]> By: Emma Span http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66852 Emma Span Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:15:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66852 [27] Ah, I disagree. Many things benefit from being thought about for more than 10 seconds. I only saw Tim Raines play in the dwindling twilight of his career, with the Yankees. Going by that of course I didn't think of him as a Hall of Famer. When you go back and look at his numbers, though, and compare him to other players, and - yes - think about it, though - well, I was convinced and I'd vote for him now. If you'd asked me two or three years ago I'd have said no. [27] Ah, I disagree. Many things benefit from being thought about for more than 10 seconds.

I only saw Tim Raines play in the dwindling twilight of his career, with the Yankees. Going by that of course I didn’t think of him as a Hall of Famer. When you go back and look at his numbers, though, and compare him to other players, and – yes – think about it, though – well, I was convinced and I’d vote for him now. If you’d asked me two or three years ago I’d have said no.

]]> By: omarcoming http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66851 omarcoming Thu, 06 Jan 2011 03:36:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66851 If you have to think about it for more than ten seconds or look up the numbers to prove a point then then there is no room at the inn er HOF. If you have to think about it for more than ten seconds or look up the numbers to prove a point then then there is no room at the inn er HOF.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66850 RIYank Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:55:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66850 [25] Fifth, all time, strikeouts. Eighth, all time, shutouts. Eight seasons he was in the top five in baseball in Runs Saved Above Average. His rate numbers, like ERA+, are not as impressive, so people who favor rate over totals aren't going to like Blyleven as much. That's fair. But, I'd say his stellar post-season record makes up for his rate deficiency (and I do think totals, or "counting stats", are very important for HoF credentials). So no, he didn't get better. The voters just got smarter in the last few years, is all. [25] Fifth, all time, strikeouts. Eighth, all time, shutouts. Eight seasons he was in the top five in baseball in Runs Saved Above Average.
His rate numbers, like ERA+, are not as impressive, so people who favor rate over totals aren’t going to like Blyleven as much. That’s fair. But, I’d say his stellar post-season record makes up for his rate deficiency (and I do think totals, or “counting stats”, are very important for HoF credentials).

So no, he didn’t get better. The voters just got smarter in the last few years, is all.

]]> By: omarcoming http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66849 omarcoming Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:13:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66849 Did Blyleven get better in the last few years? The HOF is for players who have been great, not just very good. Did Blyleven get better in the last few years? The HOF is for players who have been great, not just very good.

]]> By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66848 The Hawk Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:42:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66848 Why wouldn't steroids help you hit homeruns? Isn't that the whole point? Get stronger, hit with more power. Why wouldn’t steroids help you hit homeruns? Isn’t that the whole point? Get stronger, hit with more power.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66847 RIYank Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:22:32 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66847 [20] Oh, that would make a great title for a book about those innocent halcyon days: "Only the Ball Was Juiced." (Inspired, of course, by <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=BO2RtomcBOoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=only+the+ball+was+white&source=bl&ots=uKBaa4NlsH&sig=tOEV81K6chAFSENka69_DO2t6Ds&hl=en&ei=GgslTeruNsT38Aa8-ZDeAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow">this</a>.) [20] Oh, that would make a great title for a book about those innocent halcyon days: “Only the Ball Was Juiced.” (Inspired, of course, by this.)

]]> By: Mattpat11 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66846 Mattpat11 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:22:35 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66846 Looking at the list for 2012, I think there's a real good chance no one gets in next year http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2012.shtml Looking at the list for 2012, I think there’s a real good chance no one gets in next year

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2012.shtml

]]> By: The Mick536 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66845 The Mick536 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:20:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66845 Bags. Wished I had seen him more. Still unsure about the steroid guys, one of whom I don't think is Bags. Bags. Wished I had seen him more. Still unsure about the steroid guys, one of whom I don’t think is Bags.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66844 cult of basebaal Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:16:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66844 <i>This is a guy who, at 23, hit 49 HRs in his rookie year.</i> Which ain't *nothing* and *is* something ... bust also happened in 1987, when the ball was juiced, instead of the players ... This is a guy who, at 23, hit 49 HRs in his rookie year.

Which ain’t *nothing* and *is* something … bust also happened in 1987, when the ball was juiced, instead of the players …

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66843 Chyll Will Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:41:50 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66843 [15] Millie Jackson? [15] Millie Jackson?

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66842 OldYanksFan Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:40:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66842 Oh.... and Beltre struck gold with the Rangers at 6/$96m. This is a 31 yr old 3rd baseman with a career .790 OPS. My guess is in 6 years, ARod is still outproducing him. Oh…. and Beltre struck gold with the Rangers at 6/$96m.
This is a 31 yr old 3rd baseman with a career .790 OPS.
My guess is in 6 years, ARod is still outproducing him.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66841 OldYanksFan Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:37:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66841 [4] Except Mark has the BEST AB/HR ratio of any player in history. Better then then Babe (2) or Bonds(4). So McGuire didn't 'accummulate' HRs base on a lot of ABs. This is a guy who, at 23, hit 49 HRs in his rookie year. His career OPS/OPS+ is .982 and 162 (compared to Aaron's at .928 and 155). McGuire is a no-doubt HOFer. Not even close. P.S. Ryan Howard is THIRD all-time in AB/HR [4] Except Mark has the BEST AB/HR ratio of any player in history. Better then then Babe (2) or Bonds(4). So McGuire didn’t ‘accummulate’ HRs base on a lot of ABs.

This is a guy who, at 23, hit 49 HRs in his rookie year. His career OPS/OPS+ is .982 and 162 (compared to Aaron’s at .928 and 155). McGuire is a no-doubt HOFer. Not even close.

P.S. Ryan Howard is THIRD all-time in AB/HR

]]> By: Emma Span http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66840 Emma Span Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:36:16 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66840 [14] Me too, buddy, me too. [14] Me too, buddy, me too.

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66839 thelarmis Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:32:22 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66839 [14] Milt Jackson! [14] Milt Jackson!

]]> By: bags http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/01/05/hall-and-oats/#comment-66838 bags Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:24:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=46560#comment-66838 i'd vote for bags. just sayin'. i’d vote for bags. just sayin’.

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