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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/03/16/slaves-to-the-game-or-for-the-game/#comment-71622</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4] Hopefully you&#039;re filtering the critical comments from the majority and multitude of racist and ignorant anonymous or nicknamed comments that usually inhabit the blogosphere (since Yahoo! Sports is mentioned, I will point out they they suffer big time from that malaise).  The internet is racism&#039;s &quot;best&quot; refuge and it blazes brightly, though some sites have recently started to stem that by requiring full registration to post comments (so they can be traced if they do post ignorant or threatening messages).  Most of the comments I fall upon from well-known media outposts are so far across the line that it might be easy for a person uninformed about the matter to understand Peterson&#039;s point.

And I agree, Will and everyone else; taken into context it is a reasoned comment.  The problem is that most Americans appear to be too lazy now to take much of anything in real context, instead reacting to keywords or buzzwords.  Is that a learned condition or is that a product of the culture America has embraced today? Who knows...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[4] Hopefully you&#8217;re filtering the critical comments from the majority and multitude of racist and ignorant anonymous or nicknamed comments that usually inhabit the blogosphere (since Yahoo! Sports is mentioned, I will point out they they suffer big time from that malaise).  The internet is racism&#8217;s &#8220;best&#8221; refuge and it blazes brightly, though some sites have recently started to stem that by requiring full registration to post comments (so they can be traced if they do post ignorant or threatening messages).  Most of the comments I fall upon from well-known media outposts are so far across the line that it might be easy for a person uninformed about the matter to understand Peterson&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>And I agree, Will and everyone else; taken into context it is a reasoned comment.  The problem is that most Americans appear to be too lazy now to take much of anything in real context, instead reacting to keywords or buzzwords.  Is that a learned condition or is that a product of the culture America has embraced today? Who knows&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To see some of the comments in the blogosphere just killing Peterson is a shame. People who were previously fans of his saying they&#039;re not now, and that someone making $10.72 million this year can&#039;t cry &quot;slavery.&quot; ... It&#039;s out of whack.

[1] Shaun, I agree with you. The invocation isn&#039;t crazy, if you look at what the owners are projecting to the players. I&#039;m struck by the number of people, even some black players like Ryan Grant, calling the comment &quot;misinformed.&quot; How can a perception be misinformed?

[2] A-Rod would not say something like this because he&#039;s too self-conscious, even now. He wouldn&#039;t dare say something like this, for fear of what it would do to his reputation. He doesn&#039;t strike me as someone who would speak publicly with a social conscience, this despite the charitable works he&#039;s done in Miami, specifically for the Boys and Girls Clubs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To see some of the comments in the blogosphere just killing Peterson is a shame. People who were previously fans of his saying they&#8217;re not now, and that someone making $10.72 million this year can&#8217;t cry &#8220;slavery.&#8221; &#8230; It&#8217;s out of whack.</p>
<p>[1] Shaun, I agree with you. The invocation isn&#8217;t crazy, if you look at what the owners are projecting to the players. I&#8217;m struck by the number of people, even some black players like Ryan Grant, calling the comment &#8220;misinformed.&#8221; How can a perception be misinformed?</p>
<p>[2] A-Rod would not say something like this because he&#8217;s too self-conscious, even now. He wouldn&#8217;t dare say something like this, for fear of what it would do to his reputation. He doesn&#8217;t strike me as someone who would speak publicly with a social conscience, this despite the charitable works he&#8217;s done in Miami, specifically for the Boys and Girls Clubs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronx Boy in NC</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/03/16/slaves-to-the-game-or-for-the-game/#comment-71620</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronx Boy in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in reference to the main body of the post, but to the preamble:

The NYT is doing a wonderful service with its ongoing Opinionator blog titled &quot;Disunion.&quot; It has been following the day-by-day dissolution of the Union in 1860-61, with an emphasis on things that happened exactly 150 years ago on each day.

Reading it, and the many original documents to which it offers links or references, puts the lie to all the gauzy argle-bargle we (I, anyway) heard in school about tariffs, economic hegemony, cultural differences, etc. The Civil War took place amid complex political and economic circumstances, but it was about s-l-a-v-e-r-y. No one said so more clearly than the southern separatists themselves.

There&#039;s no easy way to read from the beginning other than to hit the &quot;older entries&quot; button again and again, but it&#039;s worth it:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/category/disunion/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in reference to the main body of the post, but to the preamble:</p>
<p>The NYT is doing a wonderful service with its ongoing Opinionator blog titled &#8220;Disunion.&#8221; It has been following the day-by-day dissolution of the Union in 1860-61, with an emphasis on things that happened exactly 150 years ago on each day.</p>
<p>Reading it, and the many original documents to which it offers links or references, puts the lie to all the gauzy argle-bargle we (I, anyway) heard in school about tariffs, economic hegemony, cultural differences, etc. The Civil War took place amid complex political and economic circumstances, but it was about s-l-a-v-e-r-y. No one said so more clearly than the southern separatists themselves.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no easy way to read from the beginning other than to hit the &#8220;older entries&#8221; button again and again, but it&#8217;s worth it:</p>
<p><a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/category/disunion/" rel="nofollow">http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/category/disunion/</a></p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, I think that&#039;s a somewhat simplistic analysis of the Shakespeare, Shaun. (The scene is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/views/plays/play_view.php?WorkID=henry6p2&amp;Act=4&amp;Scene=2&amp;Scope=scene&amp;LineHighlight=2379#2379&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.) The scene is comedy, the characters are comic, it&#039;s supposed to be knee-slapping funny. I think there&#039;s definitely at least a hint of the feel that it would have today if a comic character suggested killing all lawyers.

Anyway, I think the &#039;slave&#039; remark is way off base. It&#039;s tone deaf, like something A-Rod would say. Before free agency, I could see the point of the analogy, and if Peterson said that rookies are treated like slaves I guess I could see his point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I think that&#8217;s a somewhat simplistic analysis of the Shakespeare, Shaun. (The scene is <a href="http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/views/plays/play_view.php?WorkID=henry6p2&amp;Act=4&amp;Scene=2&amp;Scope=scene&amp;LineHighlight=2379#2379" rel="nofollow">here</a>.) The scene is comedy, the characters are comic, it&#8217;s supposed to be knee-slapping funny. I think there&#8217;s definitely at least a hint of the feel that it would have today if a comic character suggested killing all lawyers.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think the &#8216;slave&#8217; remark is way off base. It&#8217;s tone deaf, like something A-Rod would say. Before free agency, I could see the point of the analogy, and if Peterson said that rookies are treated like slaves I guess I could see his point.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Context is indeed important.  Any good lawyer will tell you that.

Here&#039;s my favorite example, and one I often use to turn around a trite comment about my chosen profession.

Unsuspecting Person trying to make lawyer joke: &quot;You know, Shakespeare had it right.  The first thing we should do is kill all the lawyers.&quot;

Me: &quot;Yes, Shakespeare wrote that.  But do you know the context in which those lines were written?&quot;

Unsuspecting Person: &quot;No . . .&quot;

Me: &quot;They were spoken by rabble-rousers in Henry VI, who were discussing how much better society would be if the government, and law and order, were gone.  And if one wanted to get rid of those things, and establish chaos and disorder in society, where rabble-rousers could do as they wished with no one to stop them, then the first thing one would have to do is to kill all the lawyers.&quot;

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I don&#039;t think the invocation of slavery is crazy here.  I wouldn&#039;t have done it, but I can see the parallels.  At a high level, slavery was about control, wage restriction, and threats.  &quot;Do what I say, or else.  And I&#039;ll pay you what I damn well please.&quot;  That&#039;s basically what the NFL&#039;s owners are telling the players right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Context is indeed important.  Any good lawyer will tell you that.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my favorite example, and one I often use to turn around a trite comment about my chosen profession.</p>
<p>Unsuspecting Person trying to make lawyer joke: &#8220;You know, Shakespeare had it right.  The first thing we should do is kill all the lawyers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;Yes, Shakespeare wrote that.  But do you know the context in which those lines were written?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unsuspecting Person: &#8220;No . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;They were spoken by rabble-rousers in Henry VI, who were discussing how much better society would be if the government, and law and order, were gone.  And if one wanted to get rid of those things, and establish chaos and disorder in society, where rabble-rousers could do as they wished with no one to stop them, then the first thing one would have to do is to kill all the lawyers.&#8221;</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think the invocation of slavery is crazy here.  I wouldn&#8217;t have done it, but I can see the parallels.  At a high level, slavery was about control, wage restriction, and threats.  &#8220;Do what I say, or else.  And I&#8217;ll pay you what I damn well please.&#8221;  That&#8217;s basically what the NFL&#8217;s owners are telling the players right now.</p>
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