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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/10/me-rubber-you-glue/#comment-74017</link>
		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[272] Ok, sorry, one last thing!  :)

The context of the sac fly was the bit about Derek having very little success getting hits in the air, having all or nearly all of his hits come on grounders, so I was imagining some kind of ninth inning, down by a run, runner on third kind of thing with a hard throwing closer.

Anyway, you couldn&#039;t have known what was in my head, of course. I&#039;ll try to be more forthcoming in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[272] Ok, sorry, one last thing!  <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The context of the sac fly was the bit about Derek having very little success getting hits in the air, having all or nearly all of his hits come on grounders, so I was imagining some kind of ninth inning, down by a run, runner on third kind of thing with a hard throwing closer.</p>
<p>Anyway, you couldn&#8217;t have known what was in my head, of course. I&#8217;ll try to be more forthcoming in future.</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/10/me-rubber-you-glue/#comment-74016</link>
		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[272] Thank you, mp.  I realize tone is very hard to read over a screen.  I&#039;ll try to clarify:

I wrote: &quot;Also, I hate to bring this up, but at what point in the season/career is it ok to pinch it for Derek?&quot;

I said &quot;I hate to bring this up&quot; because it&#039;s painful for me to pose the question because I love Derek as much as anyone and it&#039;s sad to me that we&#039;ve reached (or are soon to) this (inevitable) question.

I realize my question seemed petulant, a response to a night where Beckett was simply dominant and it might have looked like I was picking on Jeter but really I was thinking about Chavez and what he might bring to the team.

By &quot;cooperating&quot; with me, I mean trying to understand the essence of the question I was posing rather than seizing on what was probably just a clumsy attempt to offer a concrete example (&quot;needing a sacrifice fly&quot;) of a scenario in which, if things remain as they are now (IF--IF!!!), I would be frustrated if Girardi stuck with Jeter the way Torre stuck with his guys.  (E.g., insisting on using Justice in 2002 over Shane Spencer in the PS.)

And in general, I find it uncooperative to dismiss someone&#039;s thought or question as &quot;silly&quot; without making any effort to reformulate in a productive way.  It&#039;s condescending.  You might have said, &quot;While calling on a pinch hitter to hit a sacrifice fly might be a little unrealistic, it&#039;s certainly true that there are times in which it makes sense to pinch hit one batter for another, as to that, in the case of Jeter, my opinion is...&quot;

Or whatever.

Maybe just please try not to be so dismissive when I&#039;m trying to strike up a serious discussion.

But whatever, I&#039;m tired and want to go to sleep.  I, too am sorry for the misunderstandings.  I&#039;ll try to be clearer both in tone and in framing my hypothetical questions in future, seriously.

Goodnight, mp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[272] Thank you, mp.  I realize tone is very hard to read over a screen.  I&#8217;ll try to clarify:</p>
<p>I wrote: &#8220;Also, I hate to bring this up, but at what point in the season/career is it ok to pinch it for Derek?&#8221;</p>
<p>I said &#8220;I hate to bring this up&#8221; because it&#8217;s painful for me to pose the question because I love Derek as much as anyone and it&#8217;s sad to me that we&#8217;ve reached (or are soon to) this (inevitable) question.</p>
<p>I realize my question seemed petulant, a response to a night where Beckett was simply dominant and it might have looked like I was picking on Jeter but really I was thinking about Chavez and what he might bring to the team.</p>
<p>By &#8220;cooperating&#8221; with me, I mean trying to understand the essence of the question I was posing rather than seizing on what was probably just a clumsy attempt to offer a concrete example (&#8220;needing a sacrifice fly&#8221;) of a scenario in which, if things remain as they are now (IF&#8211;IF!!!), I would be frustrated if Girardi stuck with Jeter the way Torre stuck with his guys.  (E.g., insisting on using Justice in 2002 over Shane Spencer in the PS.)</p>
<p>And in general, I find it uncooperative to dismiss someone&#8217;s thought or question as &#8220;silly&#8221; without making any effort to reformulate in a productive way.  It&#8217;s condescending.  You might have said, &#8220;While calling on a pinch hitter to hit a sacrifice fly might be a little unrealistic, it&#8217;s certainly true that there are times in which it makes sense to pinch hit one batter for another, as to that, in the case of Jeter, my opinion is&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Or whatever.</p>
<p>Maybe just please try not to be so dismissive when I&#8217;m trying to strike up a serious discussion.</p>
<p>But whatever, I&#8217;m tired and want to go to sleep.  I, too am sorry for the misunderstandings.  I&#8217;ll try to be clearer both in tone and in framing my hypothetical questions in future, seriously.</p>
<p>Goodnight, mp.</p>
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		<title>By: thelarmis</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/10/me-rubber-you-glue/#comment-74015</link>
		<dc:creator>thelarmis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[273] you lucky dog! a student of mine was there tonight! he&#039;s originally from NY, has a brother there still and is an airplane pilot, so it was somewhat easy for him to make the concert. i hope to see them when they play here, but i&#039;m sooo crazy busy i&#039;m not sure i will...

of course, there&#039;ll be at least 2 dvd&#039;s of this tour. i believe they&#039;re playing in cleveland next week and are recording that for release...

hope you had a *fantastic* time, diane!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[273] you lucky dog! a student of mine was there tonight! he&#8217;s originally from NY, has a brother there still and is an airplane pilot, so it was somewhat easy for him to make the concert. i hope to see them when they play here, but i&#8217;m sooo crazy busy i&#8217;m not sure i will&#8230;</p>
<p>of course, there&#8217;ll be at least 2 dvd&#8217;s of this tour. i believe they&#8217;re playing in cleveland next week and are recording that for release&#8230;</p>
<p>hope you had a *fantastic* time, diane!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from RUSH at MSG ... I guess I didn&#039;t miss much ... I hear Beckett pitched like 2008, and Jeter swung like he was age 2008.

Is that it in a nutshell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from RUSH at MSG &#8230; I guess I didn&#8217;t miss much &#8230; I hear Beckett pitched like 2008, and Jeter swung like he was age 2008.</p>
<p>Is that it in a nutshell?</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[266-268] As Hawk mentioned above, the tone and timing of your questioned struck a nerve...and obviously not just with me. It seemed like you were (over)reacting to the game tonight and/or following along with OYF, who has piling on Jeter with each AB this year. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

As for cooperating with you, I&#039;m not sure what mean.  You posed a question and I answered it (albeit misunderstanding your intent). I responded to subsequent &quot;clarifications&quot; that seemed only to further cloud the issue (e.g., invoking Jeter&#039;s pride)--again, obviously I misunderstood what you were getting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[266-268] As Hawk mentioned above, the tone and timing of your questioned struck a nerve&#8230;and obviously not just with me. It seemed like you were (over)reacting to the game tonight and/or following along with OYF, who has piling on Jeter with each AB this year. Sorry for the misunderstanding.</p>
<p>As for cooperating with you, I&#8217;m not sure what mean.  You posed a question and I answered it (albeit misunderstanding your intent). I responded to subsequent &#8220;clarifications&#8221; that seemed only to further cloud the issue (e.g., invoking Jeter&#8217;s pride)&#8211;again, obviously I misunderstood what you were getting at.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/10/me-rubber-you-glue/#comment-74012</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[269] The End.</description>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/10/me-rubber-you-glue/#comment-74011</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ Burnett of April 2010 is on the phone, he proudly accepts the Cy Young award.

I&#039;m joking around! A little levity after watching The Grinch Whole Stole My Happiness (tonight).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ Burnett of April 2010 is on the phone, he proudly accepts the Cy Young award.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m joking around! A little levity after watching The Grinch Whole Stole My Happiness (tonight).</p>
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		<title>By: Just Fair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If and when Jeter is ever pinch hit for Beckett will still be a raging fucking douche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If and when Jeter is ever pinch hit for Beckett will still be a raging fucking douche.</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[264] Why was your first response a smart-assed quip invoking OYF?

Why couldn&#039;t you either try to cooperate with *me* or keep your peace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[264] Why was your first response a smart-assed quip invoking OYF?</p>
<p>Why couldn&#8217;t you either try to cooperate with *me* or keep your peace?</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[264] Why couldn&#039;t you just say that at first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[264] Why couldn&#8217;t you just say that at first?</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to close, mp, you write:

&quot;Look, if we want to talk about PH for Jeter, then let’s have a real discussion about it. You PH for bad offensive players with better offensive players…not with the player noted for his ability to deliver the decisive sac fly.&quot;

I do want to have a &quot;real discussion&quot; about it.

Do you have anything of substance to offer to such a discussion?

When would YOU pinch hit for Jeter?

How can I frame the question to get something productive out of you?  Tell me how and I&#039;ll do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to close, mp, you write:</p>
<p>&#8220;Look, if we want to talk about PH for Jeter, then let’s have a real discussion about it. You PH for bad offensive players with better offensive players…not with the player noted for his ability to deliver the decisive sac fly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do want to have a &#8220;real discussion&#8221; about it.</p>
<p>Do you have anything of substance to offer to such a discussion?</p>
<p>When would YOU pinch hit for Jeter?</p>
<p>How can I frame the question to get something productive out of you?  Tell me how and I&#8217;ll do it.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[262] Another excellent observation!</description>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[261] Well, you asked &quot;when&quot;, and I said above &quot;ask me in a month or two.&quot; I would want to give the man at least a couple of months to see if he is hitting at least as well as last season (and it gives time to see if Chavez and Jones still have anything left in tank or aren&#039;t made of glass...we&#039;ll see for all three).

In a month or two if Jeter looks like Jeter 2010, I still probably don&#039;t PH for him. If he looks worse, then yeah, I&#039;d pull him in tactical situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[261] Well, you asked &#8220;when&#8221;, and I said above &#8220;ask me in a month or two.&#8221; I would want to give the man at least a couple of months to see if he is hitting at least as well as last season (and it gives time to see if Chavez and Jones still have anything left in tank or aren&#8217;t made of glass&#8230;we&#8217;ll see for all three).</p>
<p>In a month or two if Jeter looks like Jeter 2010, I still probably don&#8217;t PH for him. If he looks worse, then yeah, I&#8217;d pull him in tactical situations.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[260] I think it&#039;s a question better asked in June, still. It&#039;s hard to really gauge where a player is at at this stage. April is just not the time to size up the season ... Ask AJ Burnett circa 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[260] I think it&#8217;s a question better asked in June, still. It&#8217;s hard to really gauge where a player is at at this stage. April is just not the time to size up the season &#8230; Ask AJ Burnett circa 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[259] It would not surprise me if Girardi had that info in his binder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[259] It would not surprise me if Girardi had that info in his binder.</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[259] Ffs, &quot;sac fly&quot; was  just short hand for &quot;scoring a run.&quot;

Whatever, I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[259] Ffs, &#8220;sac fly&#8221; was  just short hand for &#8220;scoring a run.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever, I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[257] Sure, fair enough, it might have *seemed* like it was ill-inspired by a dominant Beckett performance but it wasn&#039;t, it was inspired by the fact that he had a poor season last year, seems at this point to be picking up where he left off and the presence of a potential legitimate bat off the bench, the kind of bat that really could make an impact not just by spelling Alex but bas a looming threat, the way, say, Strawberry was.

But forget it, I don&#039;t need this stress on top of the loss, I&#039;m happy to shelve the discussion for another day.

You guys just tell me when it&#039;s ok to talk about without being silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[257] Sure, fair enough, it might have *seemed* like it was ill-inspired by a dominant Beckett performance but it wasn&#8217;t, it was inspired by the fact that he had a poor season last year, seems at this point to be picking up where he left off and the presence of a potential legitimate bat off the bench, the kind of bat that really could make an impact not just by spelling Alex but bas a looming threat, the way, say, Strawberry was.</p>
<p>But forget it, I don&#8217;t need this stress on top of the loss, I&#8217;m happy to shelve the discussion for another day.</p>
<p>You guys just tell me when it&#8217;s ok to talk about without being silly.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[236] It&#039;s silly because it is a trivial situation. It&#039;s liek saying &quot;at what point, if the game hangs on the line and you really want a ground ball to the right side of the IF...&quot;

Who the hell plans tactics, personnel moves, etc. around &quot;really needing a sac fly&quot;, or wondering how many games will be lost because a sac fly by a specific play in a specific situation will make the difference?  It&#039;s silly.

Look, if we want to talk about PH for Jeter, then let&#039;s have a real discussion about it.  You PH for bad offensive players with better offensive players...not with the player noted for his ability to deliver the decisive sac fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[236] It&#8217;s silly because it is a trivial situation. It&#8217;s liek saying &#8220;at what point, if the game hangs on the line and you really want a ground ball to the right side of the IF&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Who the hell plans tactics, personnel moves, etc. around &#8220;really needing a sac fly&#8221;, or wondering how many games will be lost because a sac fly by a specific play in a specific situation will make the difference?  It&#8217;s silly.</p>
<p>Look, if we want to talk about PH for Jeter, then let&#8217;s have a real discussion about it.  You PH for bad offensive players with better offensive players&#8230;not with the player noted for his ability to deliver the decisive sac fly.</p>
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		<title>By: weeping for brunnhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeping for brunnhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[249] Status and pride are very, very hard to disentangle, but whatever.

I&#039;m tired of petulant quibbles.

Goodnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[249] Status and pride are very, very hard to disentangle, but whatever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of petulant quibbles.</p>
<p>Goodnight.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[253] I think it&#039;s because you posited the idea at a time where it seemed to stem from not only the short sample size of the season this far, but maybe even from this game, in which no-one on the Yankees looked good at all.

 If it wasn&#039;t in the middle of the game and you said in some mid-day, mid-week thread, &quot;Hey I wonder ...&quot; it probably wouldn&#039;t have set off the same alarms, (so to speak).</description>
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<p> If it wasn&#8217;t in the middle of the game and you said in some mid-day, mid-week thread, &#8220;Hey I wonder &#8230;&#8221; it probably wouldn&#8217;t have set off the same alarms, (so to speak).</p>
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